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Ira have been basically quiet for a while now and altho still terrorists and cowards, they did usually warn someone, either police and media, I don't recall many ira attacks killing so many as this new threat.
But yeah, britain has been under terrorist attack for a long long time and we still continue with our lives as normal.
And the spelling and grammer are to 2005 gcse standards :lol:
Jonno :cool:
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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
Ira have been basically quiet for a while now and altho still terrorists and cowards, they did usually warn someone, either police and media, I don't recall many ira attacks killing so many as this new threat.
But yeah, britain has been under terrorist attack for a long long time and we still continue with our lives as normal.
And the spelling and grammer are to 2005 gcse standards :lol:
Jonno :cool:
Especially surrounded by militant Turkeys as you are in Norfolk.. :blink:
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Oh dude you have no idea, them feathers hide all sorts of scary things................timed Giblettes for a start :ph34r:
Still waiting Busyman...........or are you busy? :frusty:
Maybe he really does agree bt just wants to dissagree for the sake of it :rolleyes:
Jonno :cool:
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The ENTIRE post as it relates to the topic.
It's bullshit.
Thanks, that clarified it for me. :wacko:
Great!!!
Now that I have time (since there alot that agree with Jonno), I will explain.
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Originally Posted by Jonno
Yes. You're showing you are afraid.Showing weakness.
By having security?
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I'll bring it down in scale a bit, you get into a fight and you hit the other guy.
If he then got all his mates to stand in front of him ,you'd think him a coward, next time you see him you wont be afraid of him because he backs down and is weak and needs protecting (often like leader bullies in schools)
If on the other hand, you hit him and he stands there blank face, you would instantly think to yourself he's a tough guy and you gonna have to hit him harder than that, or maybe don't mess with him cos you gave him your best shot and he just smilied at you.
Bullshit. In the real world and not this movie shit, if a fella had people protecting him, I would think him a coward. However, if I hit him and he smiles, I'm still going to fuck him up. Besides all-o-dat, none of that has shit to do with security in a country. You are supposed to take measures to protect yourself. Terrorists want to ruin America by destroying monuments, people, infrastructure, and markets. They will not stop due to us smiling and moving on. If anything, reduction in security will encourage it.
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Now bring the scale back up.
They hit Isreal and it posts a centry on every corner.
That statement says "We are afraid of you and we need protecting"
Usa, Uk and several others get hit and we clean up, mourn our lost and carry on as normal.
That statement says "You can hit us as hard as you like but we wont be forced to live in fear from you"
Ya see, 9/11 because of lack security. A passive attitude does not relieve problems and actually will encourage it.
By your post, I think we should eliminate the Metro cops from the subway system.
In essence, WE DO NEED PROTECTING. duh. :1eye: ...and it can be done without too much harassment.
Otherwise, you curl up and die. For many folk, if ya don't pick up a weapon to arm yourself and turn your back, they will shoot you anyway.
Your post was full of the most liberal bullshit rationale I have ever heard, and I'm considered liberal. :dry:
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I think the many dead in London from Terrorist attacks throughout the eighties and most of the nineties would disagree.
The last intelligence of an IRA threat in London was March this year..
The UK, mostly Ulster and London have lived with terrorism for a long time. As have many European countries.
The difference is the people who are targeting us, and the reason for targeting us is very clear in the case of Islamic Fundamentalists.
BTW: I dont see how his post was bullshit this time (apart from the spelling and grammer) :lookaroun
I stand corrected on my facts, (actually an article about the recent bombings in a Canadian newspaper) but I still stand by the point. Added security does nothing but make the average, law abiding person paranoid and afraid, and I don't think there are as many nutjobs running around as Rafi suggests.
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turning a blind eye to terrorism is kinda stupid as they want to scare us, and they want us to listen. if we ignore them and stay insecure they'll get louder, not back down
with the IRA we could and apparently still do keep a close eye on them. but with the current al-qaida threat we can't keep an eye on them because we simply don't know who they are, therefore an armed police presence and vigilant commuters are the most effective ways to stop the current threat.
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
I think the many dead in London from Terrorist attacks throughout the eighties and most of the nineties would disagree.
The last intelligence of an IRA threat in London was March this year..
The UK, mostly Ulster and London have lived with terrorism for a long time. As have many European countries.
The difference is the people who are targeting us, and the reason for targeting us is very clear in the case of Islamic Fundamentalists.
BTW: I dont see how his post was bullshit this time (apart from the spelling and grammer) :lookaroun
I stand corrected on my facts, (actually an article about the recent bombings in a Canadian newspaper) but I still stand by the point. Added security does nothing but make the average, law abiding person paranoid and afraid, and I don't think there are as many nutjobs running around as Rafi suggests.
Really? I thought a bomb up the ass of a baby makes a..
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law abiding person paranoid and afraid.
:dry:
I know I feel a little bit better with normal police patrol. Hell I liked when my community patrol rolled past (which I was part of).
I was the only person that patrolled past 10pm 'cause I thought that was when was most needed.
I think some of you watch too many after-school specials.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by NikkiD
Thanks, that clarified it for me. :wacko:
Great!!!
Now that I have time (since there alot that agree with Jonno), I will explain.
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Originally Posted by Jonno
Yes. You're showing you are afraid.Showing weakness.
By having security?
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Originally Posted by Jonno
I'll bring it down in scale a bit, you get into a fight and you hit the other guy.
If he then got all his mates to stand in front of him ,you'd think him a coward, next time you see him you wont be afraid of him because he backs down and is weak and needs protecting (often like leader bullies in schools)
If on the other hand, you hit him and he stands there blank face, you would instantly think to yourself he's a tough guy and you gonna have to hit him harder than that, or maybe don't mess with him cos you gave him your best shot and he just smilied at you.
Bullshit. In the real world and not this movie shit, if a fella had people protecting him, I would think him a coward. However, if I hit him and he smiles, I'm still going to fuck him up. Besides all-o-dat, none of that has shit to do security in a country. You are
supposed to take measures to protect yourself. Terrorists want ruin America by destroying monuments, people, infrastructure, and markets. They will not stop due to us smiling and moving on. If anything, reduction in security will encourage it.
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Originally Posted by Jonno
Now bring the scale back up.
They hit Isreal and it posts a centry on every corner.
That statement says "We are afraid of you and we need protecting"
Usa, Uk and several others get hit and we clean up, mourn our lost and carry on as normal.
That statement says "You can hit us as hard as you like but we wont be forced to live in fear from you"
Ya see, 9/11 because of lack security. A passive attitude does not relieve problems and actually will encourage it.
By your post, I think we should eliminate the Metro cops from the subway system.
In essence, WE DO NEED PROTECTING. duh. :1eye: ...and it can be done without too much harassment.
Otherwise, you curl up and die. For many folk, if ya don't pick up a weapon to arm yourself and turn your back, they will shoot you anyway.
Your post was full of the most liberal bullshit rationale I have ever heard, and I'm considered liberal. :dry:
Why are we supposed to take measures to protect ourselves? Are we expecting to be attacked at every turn? I'm not. If you are, then you prove the entire point I've been trying to make. That terrorism causes fear. You choose to give in to that fear and feel the need to protect yourself against something that may or may not happen again. I choose to go about my life the same as before. I'm not naive, I'm aware of what can happen. I choose not to let it run my life, as I've said before.
I remember what things were like after 9/11. People being harrassed for no other reason than having an Arabic last name. It was like that here as well, my stepkids are of Arabic descent and took a lot of crap at school because of their dark skin. It was a sad state in countries that pride themselves on being multicultural. That's the way we want to live? In constant suspicion?
I don't believe in just fighting a disease. I think it's more important to find a cure. As manker said earlier, eye for an eye only escalates the problem. Maybe it's time to look at why it happens instead of just increasing security and sending back a "proportionate response".
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There is a world of difference between having heightened security and having armed men wandering the street, searching people going into shops and buses etc. Armed guards may make people feel better (if that's your way of dealing with things, it isn't mine). However proper intelligence is the best way to deal with any terrorist threat. If there is resource to be spent, that's where it should go.
I agree with Jonno on this, we should live life as normally as possible. Thank goodness the cricket and F1 went ahead, with due respect to the deceased. That is the best response the public can make. We will not live in terror.
However we must also use the full force of the law to find the murderers, prosecute them and let them rot in prison, for a genuine life sentence. No martyrs, ket their "colleagues" see them rot in jail, without the glorious death and salvation.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Great!!!
Now that I have time (since there alot that agree with Jonno), I will explain.
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Originally Posted by Jonno
Yes. You're showing you are afraid.Showing weakness.
By having security?
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Originally Posted by Jonno
I'll bring it down in scale a bit, you get into a fight and you hit the other guy.
If he then got all his mates to stand in front of him ,you'd think him a coward, next time you see him you wont be afraid of him because he backs down and is weak and needs protecting (often like leader bullies in schools)
If on the other hand, you hit him and he stands there blank face, you would instantly think to yourself he's a tough guy and you gonna have to hit him harder than that, or maybe don't mess with him cos you gave him your best shot and he just smilied at you.
Bullshit. In the real world and not this movie shit, if a fella had people protecting him, I would think him a coward. However, if I hit him and he smiles, I'm still going to fuck him up. Besides all-o-dat, none of that has shit to do security in a country. You are
supposed to take measures to protect yourself. Terrorists want ruin America by destroying monuments, people, infrastructure, and markets. They will not stop due to us smiling and moving on. If anything, reduction in security will encourage it.
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Originally Posted by Jonno
Now bring the scale back up.
They hit Isreal and it posts a centry on every corner.
That statement says "We are afraid of you and we need protecting"
Usa, Uk and several others get hit and we clean up, mourn our lost and carry on as normal.
That statement says "You can hit us as hard as you like but we wont be forced to live in fear from you"
Ya see, 9/11 because of lack security. A passive attitude does not relieve problems and actually will encourage it.
By your post, I think we should eliminate the Metro cops from the subway system.
In essence, WE DO NEED PROTECTING. duh. :1eye: ...and it can be done without too much harassment.
Otherwise, you curl up and die. For many folk, if ya don't pick up a weapon to arm yourself and turn your back, they will shoot you anyway.
Your post was full of the most liberal bullshit rationale I have ever heard, and I'm considered liberal. :dry:
Why are we supposed to take measures to protect ourselves? Are we expecting to be attacked at every turn? I'm not. If you are, then you prove the entire point I've been trying to make. That terrorism causes fear. You choose to give in to that fear and feel the need to protect yourself against something that may or may not happen again. I choose to go about my life the same as before. I'm not naive, I'm aware of what can happen. I choose not to let it run my life, as I've said before.
I remember what things were like after 9/11. People being harrassed for no other reason than having an Arabic last name. It was like that here as well, my stepkids are of Arabic descent and took a lot of crap at school because of their dark skin. It was a sad state in countries that pride themselves on being multicultural. That's the way we want to live? In constant suspicion?
I don't believe in just fighting a disease. I think it's more important to find a cure. As manker said earlier, eye for an eye only escalates the problem. Maybe it's time to look at why it happens instead of just increasing security and sending back a "proportionate response".
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The Met just admitted that since the Iraqi conflict, they estimate 3000.. yes, i said 3000, people in the UK are now sympathetic with the Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorists.
I really dont want my world being made safer that way.
I still remember when everytime i heard an Irish accent I was looking with suspicion, when i was in a pub taking my turn as lookout...
I didnt want coppers to have guns then, i still dont.
I'd rather live free thanks, without every nutter (and i wouldnt trust some of our soldiers with guns, never mind our police) being able to carry firearms.
Nikki, you forget busymans culture where the guns are freely available and everyone has a few... Its different to ours.
I'm sure if i'd been brought up in a place where they were visible all the time, were freely available and every petty thief is armed, i'd feel different.
