How To Get To Heaven When You Die

The flesh is the physical part of you. It is sinful because Adam, our father sinned while we were still unborn, so the only thing that could come out of a sinner was a sinner. Those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, recieve a new spirit within them that is NOT physical, but is just as real. It is the part of the Christian that is able to communicate with God and understand right from wrong as God does. It is the part of the Christian that wants to please God and that part of the Christian that unsaved folks simply cannot relate to because they don't have it. It is also the part of a Christian that is perfect. The flesh still sins, but the Spirit never sins. There is a war between the two in a Christian. If you want it, all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You can do so by praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post to God from your heart.

All we are is dust in the wind, dude.

Why are you still here?

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

The flesh is the physical part of you. It is sinful because Adam, our father sinned while we were still unborn, so the only thing that could come out of a sinner was a sinner. Those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, recieve a new spirit within them that is NOT physical, but is just as real. It is the part of the Christian that is able to communicate with God and understand right from wrong as God does. It is the part of the Christian that wants to please God and that part of the Christian that unsaved folks simply cannot relate to because they don't have it. It is also the part of a Christian that is perfect. The flesh still sins, but the Spirit never sins. There is a war between the two in a Christian. If you want it, all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You can do so by praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post to God from your heart.

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Can I assume that they don't receive a dictionary?:)

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Originally Posted by Barbarossa

All we are is dust in the wind, dude.

Why are you still here?

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Cos he’s got high hopes, he’s got high hopes
He’s got high apple pie, in the sky hopes

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

The flesh is the physical part of you. It is sinful because Adam, our father sinned while we were still unborn, so the only thing that could come out of a sinner was a sinner. Those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, recieve a new spirit within them that is NOT physical, but is just as real. It is the part of the Christian that is able to communicate with God and understand right from wrong as God does. It is the part of the Christian that wants to please God and that part of the Christian that unsaved folks simply cannot relate to because they don't have it. It is also the part of a Christian that is perfect. The flesh still sins, but the Spirit never sins. There is a war between the two in a Christian. If you want it, all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You can do so by praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post to God from your heart.

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so are you saying that Jesus, who was also born from a human, was also a sinner? And you still havent clarified what I said earlier: "If Jesus was the son, or even part of God, what ever he preached was easy for him to follow because he was divine but not for normal humans." What can you tell me about this?

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Originally Posted by limpdickkid

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

The flesh is the physical part of you. It is sinful because Adam, our father sinned while we were still unborn, so the only thing that could come out of a sinner was a sinner. Those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, recieve a new spirit within them that is NOT physical, but is just as real. It is the part of the Christian that is able to communicate with God and understand right from wrong as God does. It is the part of the Christian that wants to please God and that part of the Christian that unsaved folks simply cannot relate to because they don't have it. It is also the part of a Christian that is perfect. The flesh still sins, but the Spirit never sins. There is a war between the two in a Christian. If you want it, all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You can do so by praying that prayer at the bottom of this first post to God from your heart.

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so are you saying that Jesus, who was also born from a human, was also a sinner? And you still havent clarified what I said earlier: "If Jesus was the son, or even part of God, what ever he preached was easy for him to follow because he was divine but not for normal humans." What can you tell me about this?

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An interesting theological point and one which has been the cause of a fair number of heretic burnings over the centuries. A good burning at the stake was often considered the best way of highlighting God's infinite forgiveness and love ... errr like :unsure:

I was baptised as a Mormon when I was 8. I only did it because my grandparents were devout Mormons and my grandpop so dearly wanted it for me since I was the favorite grandchild of the bunch. I never followed the religion but...

They had to dunk me twice. I guess I was vile enough that one dip in the freezing water wasn't enough! :shifty:

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Originally Posted by Biggles

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Originally Posted by limpdickkid

so are you saying that Jesus, who was also born from a human, was also a sinner? And you still havent clarified what I said earlier: "If Jesus was the son, or even part of God, what ever he preached was easy for him to follow because he was divine but not for normal humans." What can you tell me about this?

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An interesting theological point and one which has been the cause of a fair number of heretic burnings over the centuries. A good burning at the stake was often considered the best way of highlighting God's infinite forgiveness and love ... errr like :unsure:

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:lol:

You know it just bugs me that he's saying no matter how good a person is and no matter how much good you do, you're still a sinner because you havent accepted Jesus Christ as your "lord and saviour" and gained that "new spirit". puhleez, give me a break. You havent made a single logical argument. I believe in the existent of an omnipotent God but I cannot believe God sent his son to guide humanity who sacrificed himself to protect them which goes to show he couldnt do his job and emotionally balck-mailed his dad to forgive us, its just bull. Its just like hindus believing in God, Rama, guiding them (and telling them to eat vegetables while he ate meat himself). ;)

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Originally Posted by Defy

I was baptised as a Mormon when I was 8. I only did it because my grandparents were devout Mormons and my grandpop so dearly wanted it for me since I was the favorite grandchild of the bunch. I never followed the religion but...

They had to dunk me twice. I guess I was vile enough that one dip in the freezing water wasn't enough! :shifty:

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That or they had a prophecy about how bad you were going to be :shifty:

Double dunking ought to be good for a fair bit of riotous living.

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Originally Posted by limpdickkid

I cannot believe God sent his son to guide humanity who sacrificed himself to protect them which goes to show he couldnt do his job and emotionally balck-mailed his dad to forgive us,

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seems like shakespear is behind bible :mellow:

Always remember, you can't say fundamentalist without saying mentalist.

And also fundament.

And also fun.

And also men.

And also list.

And also dame.

And also Amen.

Amen.

Yeah but mine means arse loony.

And mine only displays it.

Which one.

3,055 to choose from.

Fill yer Jesus boots, like.

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Originally Posted by Sextent

Always remember, you can't say fundamentalist without saying mentalist.

And also fundament.

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That is one of those little quirks that almost makes me think there is a God (and that he is a lot like Jerry Sadowitz) :dabs:

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Originally Posted by Biggles

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Originally Posted by Sextent

Always remember, you can't say fundamentalist without saying mentalist.

And also fundament.

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That is one of those little quirks that almost makes me think there is a God (and that he is a lot like Jerry Sadowitz) :dabs:

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Jewish :blink:

No way is She Jewish. They crucified God jnr.

..of course..this way suggested by xfrodobagginsx will not get you to heaven.. Knowing where heaven is and of course presuming you have followed an exemplary lifestyle; it's been decided at the most recent meeting (in Heaven,) that everyone who applies, will be admitted to heaven, no matter what race or creed. This decision is due to the continued competition and dis-information, between the different religions here on earth ... and wrongly informed members such as xfrodobagginsx .

NB: In the year 2012, civilisation as we know it, on Earth, will be ending, so this information is relevant. Information regarding the way to go, will be released in time for you to make the right choice. :)

Which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Chip Monk

Which is nice.

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2012? I really should have taken the early retirement option. :pinch:

That said it is, as you say, nice.

Where does the concept of heaven and hell originate? From the bible. The bible says that the Lake of fire is eternal. It says that Christians have eternal life and non Christians have eternal death and eternity in the lake of fire.

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

Where does the concept of heaven and hell originate? From the bible.

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Huh?
I thought everything came from God, including the reality of Heaven and Hell, not just the concept.

At any rate, the "concept" as you've presented it seems rather trite and petty.
Three strikes and you're out- forever- now into the fiery lake with you.
Your fate, determined by a few lousy years on Earth?

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

Where does the concept of heaven and hell originate? From the bible. The bible says that the Lake of fire is eternal. It says that Christians have eternal life and non Christians have eternal death and eternity in the lake of fire.

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Dear believer, do not be disturbed, your religious zest has been noticed and...noted. Do not believe all you read in books; Christian books will indeed tell you heaven is only for Christians. As the Qur'an will tell you that heaven is only for Muslims, etc etc. This will not say that it is true or untrue.
Be more concerned for your own personal journey back home as things are not what they appear and filled with pitfalls. In fact, one can be sure continuing to mislead people, will slow your progress too and possibly throw you into your " lake of fire," that you seem to have as an image in your mind.

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

Where does the concept of heaven and hell originate? From the bible. The bible says that the Lake of fire is eternal. It says that Christians have eternal life and non Christians have eternal death and eternity in the lake of fire.

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"Hell" as a concept is a fairly universal idea, an archetype, even. I think the version in the bible is derived from an earlier, persian, religion, if I'm not remembering it wrong. Other religions came up with hells all on their own, buddhism has several, the mayans had at least an underworld, and norse mythology has a niflheim, to name a few.

As for heaven, that came to christianity via judaism, and long before that it was even more of an archetype than hell.

To be frank, most fundamentals in the bible aren't original at all, most seem borrowed from something earlier, and sometimes twisted in the borrowing.

I don't know who taught you about religion, and your religion in particular, but whoever it was left a lot of stuff out. It probably doesn't help that your way of absorbing information from the bible, and from without, period, is a tad selective.

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Originally Posted by Snee

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

Where does the concept of heaven and hell originate? From the bible. The bible says that the Lake of fire is eternal. It says that Christians have eternal life and non Christians have eternal death and eternity in the lake of fire.

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"Hell" as a concept is a fairly universal idea, an archetype, even. I think the version in the bible is derived from an earlier, persian, religion, if I'm not remembering it wrong. Other religions came up with hells all on their own, buddhism has several, the mayans had at least an underworld, and norse mythology has a niflheim, to name a few.

As for heaven, that came to christianity via judaism, and long before that it was even more of an archetype than hell.

To be frank, most fundamentals in the bible aren't original at all, most seem borrowed from something earlier, and sometimes twisted in the borrowing.

I don't know who taught you about religion, and your religion in particular, but whoever it was left a lot of stuff out. It probably doesn't help that your way of absorbing information from the bible, and from without, period, is a tad selective.

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You are greatly misinformed about Christianity. I would like for you to show me what was borrowed from other religions, since I am the uniformed one here it shouldn't be a problem for you. Jesus Christ isn't like any of the false gods that preceded His comming to the earth.

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

I am greatly misinformed about Christianity.

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To be fair on yourself you are making most of this stuff up.

It is however the normal type of nonsense one reads when an atheist pretends to be a Christian in order to mock Christians.

If it's amusing you, cool. Make the most of your three score and ten. One wouldn't want to waste one's entire existence.

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

You are greatly misinformed about Christianity. I would like for you to show me what was borrowed from other religions, since I am the uniformed one here it shouldn't be a problem for you. Jesus Christ isn't like any of the false gods that preceded His comming to the earth.

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You never said you wore a uniform! :O

To be fare, checkout girls at Asda wear a uniform, but they know fuck all about anything.


By the way, I have incontravertable proof that God does not exist, but you'll have to take my word for it ;)

Passover is the key to eternal life through Jesus's blood that was shed on the cross.

SB

Shurley you are uniformed regarding Judaic El worship, the devolpment from Polytheism to Henotheistic beliefs, then to Monthestic beliefs? Christianity itself is an amalgam of Judaic beliefs, Zoariastrianism and European and Egyptian Pagan beliefs. Jesus himself refers to Satan as "the father of lies" which although not used in the OT was the Zoariastrian term for the "dark side". In the OT, Satan is a minor character who talks with Yahweh (Job). In Zoaristrian traditions he is almost equal with Mazda (the light side) and they are locked in fierce battle. Judiac death was Sheol - which was essentially a return to the dust and unknowing sleep. Zoariastrian death had Hell (lake of fire) and Heaven. Zoariastrianism was unitarian in that one's term in the fire was dependent on the level of naughtiness but that ultimately all are redeemed by a good toasting.

In Catholic and Orthodox traditions (the oldest and largest denominations) Mary has a prominent role. The cult of Isis was an important religion in the Roman times. Isis was Queen of Heaven and Star of the Sea. Many of her temples were converted into Churches and dedicated to Mary.

I could go on but what do I know :dabs:

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Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx

You are greatly misinformed about Christianity. I would like for you to show me what was borrowed from other religions, since I am the uniformed one here it shouldn't be a problem for you. Jesus Christ isn't like any of the false gods that preceded His comming to the earth.

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I just told you some of what was borrowed, and where from in the very post you replied to.

But, since that didn't take, you can start off reading what biggles said.

Then you can try reading Gilgamesh, for example, there are quite a few parallels that can be drawn from that to the old testament, which, btw, more or less is the hebrew/jewish bible.

Then there's hell, ie hades, niflheim, Di Yu, naraka etc.

And the Devil, ie Baal Sebui, Belial and so forth. Who is also something of a trickster-archetype, cf Jung.

Look hell up, even wikipedia has a decent grasp of who else believed in it. Same goes for heaven.

With regards to Jeebus, he comes off as a bit of a hindu avatar, and possibly the archetypical hero (think Gilgamesh again, who also possessed divine traits), with a pacifist-twist.


In short, if you actually took time to get an education, and maybe did a bit of reading and tried to think for yourself for a bit, rather than misinterpreted the bible and made christians look bad on the internet, you'd probably find that the bible in and of itself, just like christian faith is a mish-mash of archetypes and odds and ends borrowed from other places and religions, nicely rounded off with the disclaimer that everyone else is wrong, which really is a bit ironic, given the context.

Information about Jung's archetypes is available in any half-decent library, just as definitions of things like heaven and hell can be found in any encyclopedia, and are mentioned, with different names, in texts outdating both hebrew and christian bibles.

if you fart real hard , you should be able to escape the earths gravity field and you will reach heaven

Nice post Snee, but why even bother with this twat.

He will select what he wants to absorb and fuck the rest in the bin.

We are just about the only forum on the interweb who will tolerate his bollocks. Throw him to the lions.

Don't get me wrong now, though, Fromage is most likely right, you are probably a full-blown idiot trolling and pretending to be a fundamentalist, which is to say that you are pretending to be someone slightly less apalling than you actually are, frodo.

Either that or you are more than a little bit thick, either way you aren't really accomplishing anything else than making people think that you in particular is an idiot who should shut the fuck up.