Do you own a gun?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Comparative homicide rates in English-speaking developed countries

http://worldpolicy.org/globalrights/...-homicides.gif

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I wonder why they just have England and Wales and don't include Scotland and N.Ireland ?
I realise that N.Ireland would be tilted because of the terrorism figures ( I'm not sure when this graph was made)

Still I don't think it would lessen the impact of the graph.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

sorry guys, i dont think this is gonna reach 1000 :(

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blah, not so fast :P this baby's movin, we can hit 2k! :w00t: :P

and this here is nice in theory.....

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

unarmed homeowner vs armed intruder

homeowner cowers and does whatever the intruder wants. it's not very dignified but the homeowner will live to fight another day.

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......but this isnt a theoretical world
real violence happens daily, to truly innocent people
so I would rather be armed and prepared against a potential murderer, rapist, child molester, etc.....
than to think to myself, "oh this poor bastard just wants a few jewels or cash, then to run off safely into the night"
and in that thought, risking my daughter to greater evils than knowing her father killed a man in self defense
I would rather her live with that, than to be exposed to the mental scars of whatever else could happen should someone intrude on my residence
now if it was known 100% that the perpetrator just wanted property,
let him/her have it, fk cares about property, it can be replaced
but it can never be known, and the fact is, our prisons are filled with irrational, psychotic people,
that do unspeakable things to women & children
sorry, but not my daughter, not if I have a say in the matter
and as long as our Constitution grants us the right to bear arms,
I have a say in the matter :)

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I've never done a drive-by so wtf are you talking about?

The only thing related to a car and a gun that's happened to me was a stray bullet on Easter Sunday when I had my Toyota.

This drive by stuff is bullshit. :dry:

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maybe that was it. i knew you'd said something along those lines. i still think you're full of shit though

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

our prisons are filled with irrational, psychotic people,

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No they aren't.

There are some, but your prisons are hardly full of them, and they aren't all into burglaries either.

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

blah, not so fast :P this baby's movin, we can hit 2k! :w00t: :P

and this here is nice in theory.....

......but this isnt a theoretical world
real violence happens daily, to truly innocent people
so I would rather be armed and prepared against a potential murderer, rapist, child molester, etc.....
than to think to myself, "oh this poor bastard just wants a few jewels or cash, then to run off safely into the night"
and in that thought, risking my daughter to greater evils than knowing her father killed a man in self defense
I would rather her live with that, than to be exposed to the mental scars of whatever else could happen should someone intrude on my residence
now if it was known 100% that the perpetrator just wanted property,
let him/her have it, fk cares about property, it can be replaced
but it can never be known, and the fact is, our prisons are filled with irrational, psychotic people,
that do unspeakable things to women & children
sorry, but not my daughter, not if I have a say in the matter
and as long as our Constitution grants us the right to bear arms,
I have a say in the matter :)

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so you rather risk i'd guess a 40/40 chance of dying in a shoot-out with a burglar than the, i'd guess drastically lower chance that an armed child molestor coming to rape your daughter. a daughter which you don't have because theres no-one under 31 in your house remember

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Originally Posted by SnnY

No they aren't.

There are some, but your prisons are hardly full of them, and they aren't all into burglaries either.

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and if the prisons are filled with them they aren't getting into your house :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

Loads of people called you a mentalist.

I think most people can understand why a person would want a gun. They may not agree with it but they can understand why, in a country which has a gun culture they think they also need one.

However to have 6, secreted around your home, then telling us you had all of these other weapons just seems a bit, well mental.

Tell me, did you have all of these weapons before the family came along, or did you just go out and buy them when you had the family to protect.

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I bought some when I had a problem with a particular person ...a real nutjob looking for trouble, unlike myself. This person also harassed my mother and I end up staying with her for a time and taught her how to use a gun as well.

I'll just say that in one case I had the bomb squad in my driveway and the robot came and blew up the bomb (when it was xrayed, it was proven to be fake (batteries and nails), but the bomb looked like something from the movie speed, watch and all. Paint was splashed on both houses, tires flattened, death threats, etc.

It came to a head when I caught him at my mother's house splashing paint and when he didn't think I was around (he always did shit when he everyone was gone), so I followed him up the street. I asked him what's going on and he turned and smacked me with a small paint can then jumped back like he was going for a gun in his coat. I had no where to run so I jumped on him. A fight ensued and spilled into the middle of an intersection, he got away, tried to get in his van (conveniently parked away from my mother's house), I kicked the door as he tried to close it, tried to grab him by the legs to pull him out, he reached under the passenger seat, cracked me in the head with hammer, when he hit me, he went off balance, I punched him the nuts then in his eye and threw him outside the van.

Police cam because someone heard us fighting in the intersection and called.

I got treated for tetanus and ironically, all I needed was ice on my head.
Xrays showed no broken bones.

I went to work looking fuuuuuucked up.

He is now off done with jail and probation and still fucking around but now to a lesser degree. He served as his own lawyer at his trial.

Cops told me that I handled myself on the stand better than most cops do.
Frankly, he reminded me of that fucker nutjob that shot up people on a train and served as his own lawyer, a total idiot.

Calling me a mentalist is like being grouped with real mental cases.

I'm just trying to mind my business and be happy. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

No they aren't.

There are some, but your prisons are hardly full of them, and they aren't all into burglaries either.

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hush, you knew what I meant :P
so "filled" wasnt the right word
but the fact still remains that those evils do exist,
and I will not have my family exposed to them if I can help it

over-protectvie father? yeah, maybe
I plan on meeting her first boyfriend with the afore mentioned .270 Winchester,
and a fair warning of what could happen to his genitalia should anything bad happen to my daughter :devil:
but then I always was partial to the saying "better safe than sorry" :P

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

a daughter which you don't have because theres no-one under 31 in your house remember

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:huh:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I kicked the door as he tried to close it, tried to grab him by the legs to pull him out, he reached under the passenger seat, cracked me in the head with hammer, when he hit me, he went off balance, I punched him the nuts then in his eye and threw him outside the van.

Police cam because someone heard us fighting in the intersection and called.

I got treated for tetanus and ironically, all I needed was ice on my head.
Xrays showed no broken bones.

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And had it been a gun instead of a hammer, you would have been in need of a coffin, not ice.

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

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did you not say something along the lines of " theres four people in my house and not one is under 31 years old?"


edit: it was RPerry, silly me :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

did you not say something along the lines of " theres four people in my house and not one is under 31 years old?"

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not unless I was posting under the influence :blink: :lol:
which, btw, has been known to happen at times..... :P
but yes, she does live with her mother,
thought she will come to stay for sometimes as long as a week or so
I can know that she is safe while here at least
no, I cant do anything about whatever may happen at her mother's house
I wouldn't give my ex a gun, she'd blow her own nose off before stopping an intruder :wacko:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Calling me a mentalist is like being grouped with real mental cases.

I'm just trying to mind my business and be happy. Nothing more.

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Saying that I am not capable of protecting my family and that my late Father was not a proper role model wasn't particularly nice either.

I'm just looking after mine the best way I can, based on the environment I live in and know. Which appears to be entirely different from yours.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

edit: it was RPerry, silly me :rolleyes:

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whew, you had me worried for a second....
me and my dammned drunken blackouts :ph34r: :P

(that was a joke) :P
I usually only drink a few times a year, and only while I am handling the rifle :ohmy:
(another joke) :P

stop being nice. you've taken the momentum from my pwnage spree.

i hope you try conversing with any intruder first :dry:

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

whew, you had me worried for a second....
me and my dammned drunken blackouts :ph34r: :P

(that was a joke) :P
I usually only drink a few times a year, and only while I am handling the rifle :ohmy:
(another joke) :P

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I can't really "handle the rifle" when I'm drunk, so I get someone else to do it for me. :naughty:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

I can't really "handle the rifle" when I'm drunk, so I get someone else to do it for me. :naughty:

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:lol:

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Originally Posted by j2k4

How low do you think is necessary?

He just has to be dumber than me, SnnY.

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what?

Hummers are pish.

Particularly the new one, what a heap of junk that is.

@J2:
Why?

Unless your armed burglar is severely retarded and thus unable to work his gun I don't think it's going to do you much good in a situation like that.

Unless you plan to settle it over a game of chess where the winner gets your belongings. :huh:

instincts tend to take over in a surprise confrontation, a planned confrontation in fact.

so intelligence doesn't really mean shit, especially not the long words type

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

so you rather risk i'd guess a 40/40 chance of dying in a shoot-out with a burglar than the, i'd guess drastically lower chance that an armed child molestor coming to rape your daughter. a daughter which you don't have because theres no-one under 31 in your house remember

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thats right, I would take a chance of being shot by anyone armed that walked into my home. I would probably stand better than a 40/40 chance though, dumb bastard will be busy with the dogs for awhile :P

thedave & RPerry: What's a 40/40 chance?:blink:

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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

thedave & RPerry: What's a 40/40 chance?:blink:

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I'm not sure, I figured he couldn't count to 100 ? :D

40% you die 40% they die 20% other

It's what you get when you subtract the 20% chance of getting ice cream with your next purchase.

It's a new burglary-drive they've got going.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

40% you die 40% they die 20% other

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because of the dogs, I'm willing to bet there's a 90% chance I won't have to fire. the other 10% I will attribute to the possibility that the intruder fires at the dogs instead of running. :(

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Originally Posted by JPaul

Saying that I am not capable of protecting my family and that my late Father was not a proper role model wasn't particularly nice either.

I'm just looking after mine the best way I can, based on the environment I live in and know. Which appears to be entirely different from yours.

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Well.....you started it. :dry:

:P

Incidentally, the chance of the burglars being a squad of ninja assassins is fairly slim.

Just so no one gets worried.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Incidentally, the chance of the burglars being a squad of ninja assassins is fairly slim.

Just so no one gets worried.

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:blink:

Wouldn't want to get you any more nervous than you already are.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Incidentally, the chance of the burglars being a squad of ninja assassins is fairly slim.

Just so no one gets worried.

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No ninjas I'm sure, but these assholes killed for a game system

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...ck=1&cset=true

I'm sure that would be an interesting article, if I had a subscription to the Orlando sentinel I probably could read it too. :blink:

Mind copying and pasting?

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Originally Posted by RPerry

because of the dogs, I'm willing to bet there's a 90% chance I won't have to fire. the other 10% I will attribute to the possibility that the intruder fires at the dogs instead of running. :(

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I don't have dogs but my alarm will go off.

I then go to my family, call the police, and train the gun on the door leading into the room.

Tbh any person that walks past an alarm sign, breaks in, then stays to fuck around during a piercing alarm has to be an idiot.

The chance of me having to really shoot is very small and frankly he deserves a shot in the ass...(or maybe he just got off a boat from the UK and thinks I'll be diplo-matical about it). :dry:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

I'm sure that would be an interesting article, if I had a subscription to the Orlando sentinel I probably could read it too. :blink:

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Posted August 7, 2004, 10:32 PM EDT

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DELTONA -- Police questioned two roommates described as "persons of interest" but not suspects today in the deaths of six friends found scattered through a blood-spattered house Friday in what Volusia County's sheriff called "the worst thing that we've ever seen."

One man held on a probation violation "had some knowledge of some of the victims," said Sheriff Ben Johnson. The other man agreed to accompany investigators. The sheriff said they were "somewhat" cooperative.

The victims, four men and two women, were discovered about 6:30 a.m. after one of the victims failed to show up for the morning shift at a nearby Burger King where five of the victims worked.

Five of the six victims have been identified. They are Michelle Ann Nathan, 19, Jonathan Gleason, 18, and Anthony Vega, 34, all of Deltona, Francisco Roman, 30, of Lowell, Mass. and Roberto Gonzalez, 28, of Beacon, N.Y.

Also today, forensic experts from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement began to examine bloodstains at the house. There was so much to analyze that the task could take up to 18 hours, said sheriff's spokesman Brandon Haught.

In a statement Saturday, Burger King Corp. said it was "deeply saddened by the events that occurred in Deltona" and that the "franchisee is working with local authorities" to help investigators. The restaurant three miles from the crime scene posted a sign that read "Closed. Reopening Monday." One of the entrances was sealed off with yellow police tape.

A morning downpour thinned the numbers of neighbors, relatives and onlookers that had been gathered in front of the house a day earlier. However, one visitor left a bouquet of white roses with baby's breath on the front lawn. Beside it, another person left a note that read: "There really are monsters among us."

It was the deadliest mass killing in Central Florida in more than a decade, and police said the killer, or killers, were still on the loose.

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this is a short version, but what it boiled down to was a few guys decided to kill these people wth baseball bats over what amounted to a playstation or an xbox. the case continues on, the killers were obviously caught, I just can't but wonder if they could have saved themselves if they were armed.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Wouldn't want to get you any more nervous than you already are.

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Dude I have been in room full-o-folks that packed guns and couldn't have been in the least bit nervous.

They all had "instant death" in their coats. :dry:

Rob: was that the article where they beat the kid (and his friends) to death 'cos he'd stolen an x-box and some other stuff?

No one fucks with their stuff, I guess.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Rob: was that the article where they beat the kid (and his friends) to death 'cos he'd stolen an x-box and some other stuff?

No one fucks with their stuff, I guess.

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The stuff wasn't stolen, these men were actually in the house without permission of the owner and left the stuff behind.

Surely after all these arguments about handguns and such, you wouldn't justify 6 murders with " No one fucks with their stuff, I guess." would you ? :blink:

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Originally Posted by RPerry

Posted August 7, 2004, 10:32 PM EDT




this is a short version, but what it boiled down to was a few guys decided to kill these people wth baseball bats over what amounted to a playstation or an xbox. the case continues on, the killers were obviously caught, I just can't but wonder if they could have saved themselves if they were armed.

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Damn!!! When I hear about shit like that it shows me that there is something wrong with society, child rearing, whateverthefuck.

The world is getting worse.

I notice how folk focus on Columbine yet we've had our gun laws for years before that shooting incident.

@rob: No I wouldn't, however, according to the article I found, they believed that one of the victims had stolen the item(s), and that was the reason they had for attacking.

It's mad as hell, but it sounds like they armed themselves to protect/retrieve their property.

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Troy Victorino, 28, has been accused of leading the attack, which police say was prompted by his belief that victim Erin Belanger had stolen an Xbox video game system and other items he had left in her grandmother's nearby vacant house. Victorino had turned the Providence Boulevard home into a neighborhood party spot, investigators and neighbors have said.

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