Gay Rights

Obviously you're hurting no one on the board, I was speaking theoretically if your opinions were put into practice. Ie people who found themselves to be gay were reeducated or couselled into being straight.
The original post was I think just about gay marriage and why people have a problem with it, it spread onto what marriage was about and then onto the question of children.
What about in Ancient Greece, where sodomy was the norm, peoples consciences were clear, depression isn't associated and society didn't spectacularly collapse?

Wouldn't single sex species be asexual or androgynous as opposed to homosexual.

If homosexuality is hereditary and homosexuals do not engage in heterosexual relationships, having children, which a lot have done and continue to do then homosexuality will surely die out. The gene will not be passed on.

If however the level of homosexuality were to stay the same, in spite of homosexuals no longer procreating, then surely one would have to accept that it is programmed into the human race.

Obviously if one consders homosexuality to be the result of environmental conditioning then this would not be the case.

Like I said earlier, if a marriage in the eyes of the state is purely a contract, which I believe it to be, then let people make any contract that both parties freely agree to.

Just one question Calvarian...

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As for your psychologist... I'm sure that if you watch or read the news at least occasionally you'll realise that one can find a 'scientist' or 'doctor' who'll say whatever you want. The fact is that psychologists do not require any formal medical training, and thus essentially have little knowledge on human biology. I'd much sooner stake my faith on a pyschiatrist, who at least receives basic medical training and understands the human form, when it comes to matters such as what is physically 'natural'.

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So why does all your evidence come from a psychologist and a Religious Website?

Thankyou El Jefe, for digging out the name...

Linx, I was late for work.....but had to say something to such a biggoted post, im sure you understand. :P

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Originally posted by Calvarian2003@2 October 2003 - 14:49
Besides, if homosexuality is nothing to be ashamed of, then why should homosexuals suffer such high rates of depression? How about, because their in-built sense of conscience is telling them that they're doing the wrong thing. Just a thought.

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I am not sure if that is not a little naughty. It is only recently that homosexuality has stepped out into the light of day from being an illegal act for well over a 1000 years. The reason it was illegal was because the Church said it was evil.

It is rather cruel and tautological to suggest that, after vitimising people and making them subject to the full penalties of the law, they must know it is wrong because they feel guilty.

The Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s were subject to similar treatment and not surprisingly despair and depression were common - something the Nazis used to indicate that the Jews were less than fully functioning humans. (please note that I am comparing mechanisms here and not your faith and Nazism, which I accept are poles apart)

Equally in those civilisations that didn't bat an eyelid at homosexuality - especially Ancient Egypt and Ancient Greece it wasn't identified as a problem. Indeed it was considered normal for an Ancient Greek to take a young lad as a lover and have a wife as well. The relationship between the man and the youth was complex (and sometimes platonic) and the youth gained access to guilds, customers, political connections and/or military connections. These ties bound the whole of Greek society. A strange concept to our mind but perfectly logical to them.

I do understand that there are clear constraints on those who hold certain religious beliefs and that for them homosexuality is a problem. However, these views can only be put forward as an alternative path they cannot and should not be enforced through civil law. As a number of people clearly believe Kinsey blew homosexuality out of all proportion (certainly seems high to me) by suggesting that 10% were in fact homosexual, it is clear we are talking about a tiny percentage of the human race - consequently what is all the fuss about? The human race at 6 billion is hardly endangered by the odd 1% or two who may prefer same sex relationships.

Consequently, I agree with Jpaul - it is a civil matter.

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Originally posted by Biggles@2 October 2003 - 21:59


Consequently, I agree with Jpaul - it is a civil matter.

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It's not very bloody civil here pilot boy.

:D

It does seem to be a tad tetchy in places. Perhaps it is all the oestrogen in the water.

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Originally posted by Biggles@2 October 2003 - 22:03
:D

It does seem to be a tad tetchy in places. Perhaps it is all the oestrogen in the water.

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There's nothing wrong with my oestrogen mate, the levels are poifectly noimal.

Mian two!

Rat face, why did my quote come out looking like a dog's breakfast?

Biggles

Reading your last made me wonder, did Plato have sexual relations with his young protege's or were their relationships entirely plat .... ah ! never mind.

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Originally posted by Biggles@2 October 2003 - 21:10
Mian two!

Rat face, why did my quote come out looking like a dog's breakfast?

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I messed around with it...

You forgot to close the second QUOTE........I suggest you edit your post, and move it to where its supposed to be, before someone accuses you of posting out of context or just drivel.....

Coz i just added it in somewhere.... :P