Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by bigboab
If 'Absolutely No Doubt' is not acceptable(In here) then I am willing to go back to the old 'Beyond reasonable doubt'. Then execute.
If they are guity, execute. Too many do-gooders in society, see where it has got us.
Yeah, good suggestion.
Feck all the people who are released on appeal. Sometimes many years later.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by vidcc
If he can show that to be the case he has a defence
So by your standard nobody that kills is of sound mind and therefore not guilty.
He picks selected targets. Passes all psychological exams and says he is glad he did it because they deserved it
The una bomber who documented his crimes and stood up proud and unrepentant.... the btk killer who gave graphic cold details of how and why he killed..... Hitler.... pol pot..... the man that killed Sarah Payne..... the Yorkshire ripper...dahmer.... osama bin laden....charles manson....Ian Brady.
"So by your standard nobody that kills is of sound mind and therefore not guilty." No I was replying to your scenarios.
You can quote as many cases as you want. The fact is that absolutely means "Definitely and completely; unquestionably.".
It is impossible to have absolutely no doubt (in legal terms). Which as I said is why we use "beyond reasonable doubt". That is why the judge always takes a lot of time to describe what that means, to the jury.
Even if you see something with your own eyes there is still doubt. This has been proven many times.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
If 'Absolutely No Doubt' is not acceptable(In here) then I am willing to go back to the old 'Beyond reasonable doubt'. Then execute.
If they are guity, execute. Too many do-gooders in society, see where it has got us.
Yeah, good suggestion.
Feck all the people who are released on appeal. Sometimes many years later.
Some of them to murder again.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by vidcc
If he can show that to be the case he has a defence
So by your standard nobody that kills is of sound mind and therefore not guilty.
He picks selected targets. Passes all psychological exams and says he is glad he did it because they deserved it
The una bomber who documented his crimes and stood up proud and unrepentant.... the btk killer who gave graphic cold details of how and why he killed..... Hitler.... pol pot..... the man that killed Sarah Payne..... the Yorkshire ripper...dahmer.... osama bin laden....charles manson....Ian Brady.
"So by your standard nobody that kills is of sound mind and therefore not guilty." No I was replying to your scenarios.
You can quote as many cases as you want. The fact is that absolutely means "Definitely and completely; unquestionably.".
It is impossible to have absolutely no doubt (in legal terms). Which as I said is why we use "beyond reasonable doubt". That is why the judge always takes a lot of time to describe what that means, to the jury.
Even if you see something with your own eyes there is still doubt. This has been proven many times.
I disagree.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
If 'Absolutely No Doubt' is not acceptable(In here) then I am willing to go back to the old 'Beyond reasonable doubt'. Then execute.
If they are guity, execute. Too many do-gooders in society, see where it has got us.
where?
i don't see how executing a man because there is no reasonable doubt is gonna help society, neither do i see how executing a man who is no doubt guilty can forward society
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by bigboab
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Yeah, good suggestion.
Feck all the people who are released on appeal. Sometimes many years later.
Some of them to murder again.
Some to return to their families and live good productive lives, never having done anything wrong in the first place.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by vidcc
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
"So by your standard nobody that kills is of sound mind and therefore not guilty." No I was replying to your scenarios.
You can quote as many cases as you want. The fact is that absolutely means "Definitely and completely; unquestionably.".
It is impossible to have absolutely no doubt (in legal terms). Which as I said is why we use "beyond reasonable doubt". That is why the judge always takes a lot of time to describe what that means, to the jury.
Even if you see something with your own eyes there is still doubt. This has been proven many times.
I disagree.
So, you're still wrong.
This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
If 'Absolutely No Doubt' is not acceptable(In here) then I am willing to go back to the old 'Beyond reasonable doubt'. Then execute.
If they are guity, execute. Too many do-gooders in society, see where it has got us.
where?
i don't see how executing a man because there is no reasonable doubt is gonna help society, neither do i see how executing a man who is no doubt guilty can forward society
It has got us to the state that the taking of another life is just another crime. You would get more years in jail for robbing a train.
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by bigboab
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
where?
i don't see how executing a man because there is no reasonable doubt is gonna help society, neither do i see how executing a man who is no doubt guilty can forward society
It has got us to the state that the taking of another life is just another crime. You would get more years in jail for robbing a train.
i doubt that's how criminals see it and i doubt it has any effect on crime figures
Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
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Originally Posted by bigboab
If 'Absolutely No Doubt' is not acceptable(In here) then I am willing to go back to the old 'Beyond reasonable doubt'. Then execute.
If they are guity, execute. Too many do-gooders in society, see where it has got us.
where?
i don't see how executing a man because there is no reasonable doubt is gonna help society, neither do i see how executing a man who is no doubt guilty can forward society
how is life without parole helping society ?
I view death as punishment only. I don't believe it is a deterrent and I don't care one way or the other if it forwards society or not.
I don't think death is appropriate for all cases, each case is unique and should be taken on its own merits.
Added to my response to your previous comment, I would have no problem being the executioner for some cases but I would for others...which is why I set a high standard of proof.
