Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by j2k4
If you disagree with fundamentalist intolerance and terrorism, why not firmly dissociate yourselves from them, and speak out against the fundamentalists?
We are already trying our best. A lot of muslim organizations in the US and various governments have denounced terrorism and such. Its just that the media reports mainly on muslims who are terrorist then the ones who arent.
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Why is Bin Laden so popular with the Arab "street"?
Wouldn't know as I dont/haven't lived in M.E. but its probably because of the anti-US atmosphere over there.
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Why is every other child born to a Muslim family named Usama?
Actually a lot of Muslim families name their children Mohammed, after our prophet. Also Usama was a common name before the Taliban leader. Ex. Say their is a guy named John who is commiting crimes in a town. If a family names their new child John, it doesn't necessary mean they named the kid after the person who commits those crimes, it just a common name.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
I haven't been following this story very closely, can someone clarify.
Have trade sanctions been imposed by the governments of the offended nations or is it a boycott by the people?
I have read of government statements that condemn but no official trade sanctions.
Heck here there was a resolution put up to remove the word "french" from french fries
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
Its too bad ,that a stupid cartoon which should be allowed to be printed as freedom of speech ,would cause a boycott on a country(Denmark) which has nothing to do with the newspaper, other than it runs itself in that country. There should be an apology from the newspaper , but the Danish government can't ,would not, and should not apologise. I live in Canada, I was born and raised here, because of third world immigrinants I can no longer call Christmas, Christmas, but now the Holiday season and a holiday tree. Give me a break. I too beleive in the right of free speech and the right of religion, but when are the extremist going to stop pushing there beliefs down my throat, and trying to change my country to there's. I agree they have the same rights as mysellf, but stop talking about preserving heritages and belielfs, cause no one is protecting mine, and I am still with the majoriity. So in a democracy majority rules. No in a democracy minorities have more rights, or they cry racism. The only thing I would boycott would be anything Muslim.
As far as Muslim organisation, they might denounce terrorism but they don't seem to be able to stop it. Nor do they boycott there neighbors who do support it. It is sad day when a cartoon cause a boycott and terroism does not.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by infared
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Fine, could you give your women equal rights please.
Not that I want to force my values on you, or 'owt.
Our women already have equal rights in Islam. Go to countries such as Pakistan, you will see that they are allowed to do anything that men do, vote, drive, run for President/Prime Minister (already have had a women prime minister), etc. Its just that some hard core radical countries such as Saudi Arab don't want to give them the rights they deserve, even though Quran specifically states that both men and women are equal.
You just proved JPauls point. The "hard core radical countries" (AKA "Islamic" countries, countries where the supreme law is the Quran) actively oppress women. Only in countries that has a more lenient (sp?) relationship between the Quran and their legislative/judicial system do women have something remotely resembling equal rights.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by Busyman
FUCK THEM!
As I said, their thinking is screwed. They blame an entire nation on the acts of one to some.
They kill other Muslims..so their rationale for getting pissed at us is screwed.
Talk about getting offended, what about flag burning?
They need to stop worshipping a prophet...their own religion says he's just a prophet.
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I think you do have a point here Busyman,. I have not been able to find a place in the Koran, where the depiction of Muhammad in a cartoon, is forbidden. It's obviously a Taboo grown out of respect.
It would seem to me an attempt to place Muhhamad on a level similar to "God" Allah or Jaweh or whatever...which would probably make him turn in his grave.
...and that flag burning part is a very good point too...
:shutup: <------------- is this what they want us all to become...we have fought many wars to gain our right to free expression...and NO , you cant cut me off for a skin either!
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by nigel123
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Originally Posted by Busyman
FUCK THEM!
As I said, their thinking is screwed. They blame an entire nation on the acts of one to some.
They kill other Muslims..so their rationale for getting pissed at us is screwed.
Talk about getting offended, what about flag burning?
They need to stop worshipping a prophet...their own religion says he's just a prophet.
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I think you do have a point here Busyman,. I have not been able to find a place in the Koran, where the depiction of Muhammad in a cartoon, is forbidden. It's obviously a Taboo grown out of respect.
It would seem to me an attempt to place Muhhamad on a level similar to "God" Allah or Jaweh or whatever...which would probably make him turn in his grave.
...and that flag burning part is a very good point too...
:shutup: <------------- is this what they want us all to become...we have fought many wars to gain our right to free expression...and NO , you cant cut off my foreskin either!
Good post, only spoilt at the end by you forcing an image of your foreskin into my id.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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To be fair, we are a nation severely divided.....how divided are they?
Also when are we going to start targeting mere civilians?
Not the same.
SO you lump entire nations (but not ours) into one then
I can't. I don't know how divided each ME country is.
I don't hear about a division, however.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by nigel123
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I think you do have a point here Busyman,. I have not been able to find a place in the Koran, where the depiction of Muhammad in a cartoon, is forbidden. It's obviously a Taboo grown out of respect.
It would seem to me an attempt to place Muhhamad on a level similar to "God" Allah or Jaweh or whatever...which would probably make him turn in his grave.
...and that flag burning part is a very good point too...
:shutup: <------------- is this what they want us all to become...we have fought many wars to gain our right to free expression...and NO , you cant cut off my foreskin either!
Good post, only spoilt at the end by you forcing an image of your foreskin into my id.
my excuses for that, you see, I am rather attached to it.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by infared
We are already trying our best. A lot of muslim organizations in the US and various governments have denounced terrorism and such. Its just that the media reports mainly on muslims who are terrorist then the ones who arent.
Who's "we"?
I will quote from a post of my own here which still holds:
"Islam's interests in the U.S. are represented and promoted by many groups, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chief amongst them.
Amid a recent statement of their goals, this tidbit:
The elimination of references to"Judeo-Christian" when describing the heritage of the United States; CAIR will push instead for "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic", which phrase to be used "in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians, and comments made in churches, synagogues, and other places."
Note there is no mention here of "Mosques"; in Mosques, the reference is to remain "Islam(ic)" only, no inclusion of "Judeo-Christian".
CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, in a speech to a group of California Muslims in July, 1998, said "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
There are moderate Muslims who do not harbour hopes of Sharia law being implemented anytime soon. In all probabilities they moved to the US and Europe to get away from that nasty stuff.
However, they would appear to be pretty quiet and keep their heads down. One nasty individual kept telling a moderate that he was an apostate on a BBC chat show - much to his discomfort. We need moderates to rise up in angry protest at the mosques and schools that preach hatred and tell the miltants to go back to somewhere where they will have Sharia law.
The militants never seem to have a problem getting rent a crowd out onto the streets. Interestingly, the European security forces must have had a field day photographing all the protesters. If they are looking for potential radicals they should now have most on film. A silver lining I suppose.
It is interesting to see how opinions have hardened in Europe - many of the interviews on TV have been increasingly of the "tough" variety. I personally hope that a line can be drawn under this soon before the seriously right wing start to capitalise.
