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Japan really wasn't in the same league as Germany Biggles. Germany was not only directly responsible for the war but it's governing structure was responsible for apalling suffering all over Europe. None of that could be feasibly left intact. Most of the people in charge were either killed in conflict, executed, committed suicide or were prosecuted for war crimes.
I tend to think that 3 days is a very long time in war to hold out before a second strike, especially if you have ulterior motives beyond surrender for making it. As to the first strike, well I go back to a past point. When an era loses so many people to war it dehumanises the living. I doubt there was much sympathy for the Japs and I completely understand why. And I'm sure the benefits off letting off those nukes were manyfold. That doesn't mean they were all the cause or rational for it.
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Wiki arguments are cool :shifty:
The Japanese have a fetish for tentacle sex - must be all the seafood :idunno: Obviously this is not a practical proposition irl but I am informed it is popular in cartoons - so SGG tells me anyhoo. :unsure:
I'll never look at LOTR the Fellowship in the same way again :unsure:.
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Which position are you taking - that they were open to Western influence prior to Imperial incursions into the Far East or that they were insular and tended to view foreign influence with a degree of hostility?
The Chinese did not exactly go a bundle on foreign influences either but like the Japanese were interested in trade and science. Would the Japanese have contemplated war with America in 41 if US influence had not extended across the Pacific?
Oh mine is a simple position, the Japanese weren't ill-informed, they weren't backwards. The shogunate collapsed and Japan again looked outwards as they had before. Now you may argue that the American squadron hastened the collapse of the shogunate, in which case surely you'd be arguing for the facts that by doing so the Americans returned freedom to the people of Japan, who were virtually imprisoned by the shogunate.
I don't believe Snee's position is that they were backward or ill informed either but that their reaction to US intervention was one of a people who had become accustomed to an insular view of foreign intervention. They subsequently embraced an aspect of politics that was popular at the time - Empire.
One might view the US role as liberating or one might consider it an ongoing process of securing influence in the region (or indeed a bit of both).
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Biggles
Wiki arguments are cool :shifty:
The Japanese have a fetish for tentacle sex - must be all the seafood :idunno: Obviously this is not a practical proposition irl but I am informed it is popular in cartoons - so SGG tells me anyhoo. :unsure:
I'll never look at LOTR the Fellowship in the same way again :unsure:.
:unsure: There was a donkey too OMG!
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I suppose I'll have to take responsibility for igniting this fire-cracker string of debate.
I was just pissed off because Submission was displaying racism. To date, he has started three threads decrying Japanese culture when one would have sufficed.
I was just endeavouring to tell him to stfu, albeit, somewhat ineptly, it now appears.
Sorry peeps. Also sorry for any errors in this post. I don't have spellcheck at work.
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chalice
I suppose I'll have to take responsibility for igniting this fire-cracker string of debate.
I was just pissed off because Submission was displaying racism. To date, he has started three threads decrying Japanese culture when one would have sufficed.
I was just endeavouring to tell him to stfu, albeit, somewhat ineptly, it now appears.
Sorry peeps. Also sorry for any errors in this post. I don't have spellcheck at work.
Sorry if i'm stating the obvious here, however you must know that the peson behind the Submission character is using more than one persona here. All pricks obviously, but still using more than one persona.
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Mr JP Fugley
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chalice
I suppose I'll have to take responsibility for igniting this fire-cracker string of debate.
I was just pissed off because Submission was displaying racism. To date, he has started three threads decrying Japanese culture when one would have sufficed.
I was just endeavouring to tell him to stfu, albeit, somewhat ineptly, it now appears.
Sorry peeps. Also sorry for any errors in this post. I don't have spellcheck at work.
Sorry if i'm stating the obvious here, however you must know that the peson behind the Submission character is using more than one persona here. All pricks obviously, but still using more than one persona.
Perhaps I'm being naive, JP.
But I'm taking the posts at face value until things have been proved otherwise.
I'm not saying you're wrong, like.
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chalice
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Mr JP Fugley
Sorry if i'm stating the obvious here, however you must know that the peson behind the Submission character is using more than one persona here. All pricks obviously, but still using more than one persona.
Perhaps I'm being naive, JP.
But I'm taking the posts at face value until things have been proved otherwise.
I'm not saying you're wrong, like.
Fair do's mate, disparate pricks it is. Makes little difference in the great scheme of things.
Gonnae no say "proved otherwise" tho' it really dead annoys me. Not saying it's wrong or anything it just grates on my nerves.
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Gonnae no say "proved otherwise" tho' it really dead annoys me. Not saying it's wrong or anything it just grates on my nerves.
I mark that one down for future reference then. :happy:
