Damn dude I know your question was related to faith and what not but I posed it in relation to the topic. Jeez.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
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Damn dude I know your question was related to faith and what not but I posed it in relation to the topic. Jeez.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
the topic is about sex offenders and making lists available, part of the debate is if they can be reformed they are no risk, If we are to debate the pros and cons then there has to be reasoning behind the point...... so how is it unrelated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
I think it boils down to the fact that I believe the majority will reform and so should be released when they serve their term, you believe that because of the minority that do reoffend that they should all be locked up for the rest of their natural.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
I don't really have much more to add to that, I disagree with your standpoint but understand your reasoning.
Anyhow, here's an interesting page that I used in an essay last year: http://66.165.94.98/stories/sexoffend.html
The last part is worthy of note in particular:
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A concerned citizen once asked a criminologist what could be done about child molestation. "Don't molest your children," he replied. The truth behind this response is undeniable. Most sexual misconduct happens within families or among friends; the stalking predator is more a myth than a reality.
For this reason, community notification provisions like Megan's Law in New Jersey are deceptive. They focus attention on individuals who have been caught - not because of the threat they pose but because of other threats we are unable to solve. They also invite excoriation and vigilantism against individuals who have paid their debt to society and need to be peacefully reintegrated.
The best community response is to focus on recognized ways to keep the problems at a minimum. Punishment and incapacitation have a role to play, but they are inadequate by themselves. Psychological treatment while in prison and after release is vital; education and aftercare are proven to reduce the likelihood of reoffending in the future. Most importantly, the public must make an effort to remain sane and sober in the face of these serious crimes.
Dude it's not directly related but that ain't the point I was making.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
You were not being chided about it.
The wording hits me. If it said proven to eliminate i would feel better about it.. reducing the risk isn't good enough for me personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
I am looking at it with a sober view.... but hard view.
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Damn, I'm might be going away for a few days. I might miss it. See you next Tuesday.
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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
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Psychological treatment while in prison
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education and aftercare
OK bitch.....you wanna start a fucking flame fest?Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
if you can't handle a little criticism, hopefully you're not a parent,
because you sure as hell couldn't handle kids if so
and if you are now, or ever become a father....
don't fucking blame ANYONE if your child gets abused
because you wanna stay ignorant to your neighbors/surroundings/whatever
you risk your children, I will do what it takes to protect mine
it's a simple difference of opinion.....bitch
but it's ok, I know now how you fucking liberals really think :)
Calm down Brain. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by FKDUP74
I think the point that fkdup is trying to make is that it's not about whether someone will re-offend, it's that awareness is key. Whether the child molestor actually re-offends is irrelevant.
If a child molester moves into a neighbourhood, and the public does not know about it, the opportunity for them to re-offend is more likely. People who don't know that their neighbour is a child molestor will be less likely to take necessary precautions to prevent such opportunities with that person from arising.
If a child molestor moves into a neighbourhood and the public does know about it, there is likely to be less chance of opportunity arising. People will be more wary of that person, more protective and more aware of potential danger.
To clarify what I mean by opportunity, I'll give an example. When someone new moves into my neighbourhood, they're often invited to coffee or some such for introductions and the like. Backyard barbecues or parties happen over the summer and you invite your new neighbour over. There are children present, who may or may not have some sort of social interaction with this neighbour, be it tossing a ball around, saying hello, or just being introduced. This is opportunity, akin to waving a red flag in front of a bull. The situation would not present itself if the public were aware that the new neighbour was a previously convicted paedophile.
The point was made that most molestation cases occur among family members or friends. If we don't know that someone has committed a crime like this, are we not more likely to allow them into our circle of friends? Allow them to be near our family? That statement loses credibility when placed in that light does it not?
It's true that not everyone will re-offend. It's also true that some will. We can't know with any certainty who will, and who will not. Isn't it our responsibility to protect our children from even the slightest possibility?
I believe the welfare of our children far outweighs the possible risk of vigilante attacks.
To the point of ostracism/privacy/right to reassume a normal life, I don't believe that anyone capable of committing a crime such as this should be afforded those rights. The mere fact that they could do something so atrocious to the most defenceless of victims denies them that right in my eyes, from the moment they committed the crime, to the moment they die, regardless of whether the legal system deems them rehabilitated or not.
If they decide to make these lists available to the public I hope that no one has a double who is a known paedophile and that double moves into their area.
Lock them away for ever then the problem wont arise.