Do you own a gun?

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

what if its your kid coming through that door? you were just defending yourself?

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Why would I have my gun in the first place?

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

i thought you said you had a good aim, or do you keep your guns in the panniers?

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I think he means it isn't worth shooting someone over a bike......

stupid typo's :(

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

i thought you said you had a good aim, or do you keep your guns in the panniers?

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1. Can't discharge a firearm outside my home.

2. Not worth killing someone over. I'd tackle them....maybe.

3, I never said I had good aim.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

If I go down, what about my family? :(

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Do you write scripts for "B" Movies, or what.

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Originally Posted by RPerry

I think he means it isn't worth shooting someone over a bike......

stupid typo's :(

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they took one and came back for the other, you'd be tempted :naughty:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Why would I have my gun in the first place?

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because you thought there was a burglar.

A motorcycle, and they should have known better than coming back the second time, right?

So it might have been one of them dangerous bunches of idiots.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

they took one and came back for the other, you'd be tempted :naughty:

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no, for something like that I would most likely break out with a baseball bat.
Remember what the gun laws are here, force with force, or threat to your home or auto. Stealing my bike would not fit under a justified shooting.... unless I could drag the bodies in without leaving evidence

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Originally Posted by RPerry

no, for something like that I would most likely break out with a baseball bat.
Remember what the gun laws are here, force with force, or threat to your home or auto. Stealing my bike would not fit under a justified shooting.... unless I could drag the bodies in without leaving evidence

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Motorcycle, not bicycle, and they did enter dave's property unlawfully.

Really, I think it would fall under one of those situations some people have mentioned earlier.

And he might not know if they were armed either.

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Originally Posted by RPerry

Remember what the gun laws are here, force with force, or threat to your home or auto.

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So you can kill someone who is stealing your car.

That really is feckin' mental.

Property > Life.

No, that's just wrong.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

Do you write scripts for "B" Movies, or what.

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what

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

because you thought there was a burglar.

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...and why would I think that?

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Originally Posted by JPaul

So you can kill someone who is stealing your car.

That really is feckin' mental.

Property > Life.

No, that's just wrong.

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yes, if your in the car. believe it or not, your lucky if they take the car without shooting you anyway

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Originally Posted by busy

1. Can't discharge a firearm outside my home.

2. Not worth killing someone over. I'd tackle them....maybe.

3, I never said I had good aim.

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1. right...

2. you don't think rationally in that situation. i'm surprised with all the action movies you've been in you've never been burgled.

3. i'm too tired to go back and check but you've said you have a better aim than people you know and you go to target practic 6 million times a week. i'd have thought that means you can hold a gun straight

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Originally Posted by SnnY

A motorcycle, and they should have known better than coming back the second time, right?

So it might have been one of them dangerous bunches of idiots.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

1. Can't discharge a firearm outside my home.

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:dry:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

...and why would I think that?

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one of those "just in case" things. maybe you heard a glass break downstairs

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

1. right...

2. you don't think rationally in that situation. i'm surprised with all the action movies you've been in you've never been burgled.

3. i'm too tired to go back and check but you've said you have a better aim than people you know and you go to target practic 6 million times a week. i'd have thought that means you can hold a gun straight

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1. Glad you agree

2. I could have lit up the fella leaving my mother's yard but knew I couldn't. He had been harassing us for over 5 years. What did you about a bike again?

3. I go to the range. Yes. Uh huh.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

one of those "just in case" things. maybe you heard a glass break downstairs

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I then call out to see if someone's hurt. DUH. :blink:

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Originally Posted by RPerry

the one thing that graph doesn't show is who the killer/victim is. You do realize that most of the firearm problem is gang and/or drug related ?

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No, it is not. The most common cause of murder is an argument*

*Arguments include brawls due to the influence of narcotics or alcohol,
disagreements about money or property and other arguments.

Take away the guns and let the fists do the talking. So many drunken disputes that escalated into murder, just because those involved were carrying guns. 75% of the time a gun was involved.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/circumst.gif


If you look down there at the bottom, gang related killings are the last on the list.

The felony line refers to :Felony types include homicides committed during a rape, robbery, burglary, theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and violations of prostitution and commercial vice laws, other sex offenses, narcotic drug laws, and gambling laws.

Other contains a lot of "passion" related crime

The statistics are from the U.S. Department of Justice.

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Originally Posted by RPerry

yes, if your in the car. believe it or not, your lucky if they take the car without shooting you anyway

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So you live in Jo'burg then.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

:dry:

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Does a garage count as inside or outside, just out of curiosity?


Inside a car is OK, right?

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Originally Posted by hobbes

No, it is not. The most common cause of murder is an argument*

*Arguments include brawls due to the influence of narcotics or alcohol,
disagreements about money or property and other arguments.

Take away the guns and let the fists do the talking. So many drunken disputes that escalated into murder, just because those involved were carrying guns. 75% of the time a gun was involved.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/circumst.gif


If you look down there at the bottom, gang related killings are the last on the list.

The felony line refers to :Felony types include homicides committed during a rape, robbery, burglary, theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and violations of prostitution and commercial vice laws, other sex offenses, narcotic drug laws, and gambling laws.

Other contains a lot of "passion" related crime

The statistics are from the U.S. Department of Justice.

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So random arguments would end up with less dead people, if there were fewer guns involved.

I find that hard to believe.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I then call out to see if someone's hurt. DUH. :blink:

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then they know you're there

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

then they know you're there

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I would hope that my family would know I'm there. :huh:

what if it was a burglar though?

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Does a garage count as inside or outside, just out of curiosity?


Inside a car is OK, right?

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A garage connected to your house is inside obviously.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

what if it was a burglar though?

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He would already know I'm there, ya know, with the cars outside, the walking around, tv on, lights on and all the chatter.

Oh ok, so if his bike was in the garage he could have shot them then.

Glad we got that sorted.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Oh ok, so if his bike was in the garage he could have shot them then.

Glad we got that sorted.

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Cool ;)

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Originally Posted by Busyman

He would already know I'm there, ya know, with the cars outside, the walking around, tv on, lights on and all the chatter.

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no-one would break in with all that shit going on. it would be easier to spend another 10 minutes finding a house where they think everyones out or asleep

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

no-one would break in with all that shit going on. it would be easier to spend another 10 minutes finding a house where they think everyones out or asleep

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Unless they are low life thugs.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Unless they are low life thugs.

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either really really stupid ones or busyman really really deserves it.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

either really really stupid ones or busyman really really deserves it.

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Or he keeps posting this nonsense and confirms what we all think.

That someone who really thinks the way he posts wouldn't actually be on this forum.

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

no-one would break in with all that shit going on. it would be easier to spend another 10 minutes finding a house where they think everyones out or asleep

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Damn I guess they missed me. Whew!!!

Well this thread has gone on for some distance now and i haven't seen any original arguements for or against as it's been debated many times before.

I would like however to suggest one part of guns and shooting that we can all agree on.

machine guns when fired by large breasted women wearing skimpy bikinis make the bossoms wobble and bounce and if video footage is taken that can be slowed down for "research" purposes :naughty: .......... now i ask you all..... Is that a bad thing??????

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Damn I guess they missed me. Whew!!!

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Good as gold, well done that man.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Well this thread has gone on for some distance now and i haven't seen any original arguements for or against as it's been debated many times before.

I would like however to suggest one part of guns and shooting that we can all agree on.

machine guns when fired by large breasted women wearing skimpy bikinis make the bossoms wobble and bounce and if video footage is taken that can be slowed down for "research" purposes :naughty: .......... now i ask you all..... Is that a bad thing??????

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As long as they shoot me with breast milk instead of bullets........ :w00t: but :sick:

Perhaps my eyesight is going but it's impossible to find moving gifs on the subject :(


http://www.gunculture.net/images/uploads/vendela.jpg

http://www.gunculture.net/images/upl...shgungirls.jpg

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Perhaps my eyesight is going but it's impossible to find moving gifs on the subject :(


http://www.gunculture.net/images/uploads/vendela.jpg

http://www.gunculture.net/images/upl...shgungirls.jpg

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I think your eye sight is gone,
I find those pics very moving :naughty:

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Originally Posted by JPaul

So you live in Jo'burg then.

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no, I live outside of Orlando, where it seems people prefer Carjacking compared to just stealing a car out of a lot, and Home invasion ( armed occupied ) compared to going into an empty house. what difference does it make anyway? I know what happens in my area just as well as you know what happens in yours.