Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Who's "we"?
I will quote from a post of my own here which still holds:
"Islam's interests in the U.S. are represented and promoted by many groups, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chief amongst them.
Amid a recent statement of their goals, this tidbit:
The elimination of references to"Judeo-Christian" when describing the heritage of the United States; CAIR will push instead for "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic", which phrase to be used "in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians, and comments made in churches, synagogues, and other places."
Note there is no mention here of "Mosques"; in Mosques, the reference is to remain "Islam(ic)" only, no inclusion of "Judeo-Christian".
CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, in a speech to a group of California Muslims in July, 1998, said "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
Could you please explain the difference between this statement of intent and the intent of the christian mission...to convert those that haven't already to accept christ as the savior?
Obviously the person that made this statement is not a "moderate" so the explaination needs to be a "like for like" so feel free to give me the pat robertson or jerry falwell version
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Who's "we"?
I will quote from a post of my own here which still holds:
"Islam's interests in the U.S. are represented and promoted by many groups, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) chief amongst them.
Amid a recent statement of their goals, this tidbit:
The elimination of references to"Judeo-Christian" when describing the heritage of the United States; CAIR will push instead for "Judeo-Christian-Islamic" or "Abrahamic", which phrase to be used "in all venues where we normally talk about Judeo-Christian values, starting with the media, academia, statements by politicians, and comments made in churches, synagogues, and other places."
Note there is no mention here of "Mosques"; in Mosques, the reference is to remain "Islam(ic)" only, no inclusion of "Judeo-Christian".
CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, in a speech to a group of California Muslims in July, 1998, said "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
Could you please explain the difference between this statement of intent and the intent of the christian mission...to convert those that haven't already to accept christ as the savior?
The difference?
Does modern Christianity preach it intends to be "the only accepted religion on earth"?
Do you not regard this as a difference? :blink:
Obviously the person that made this statement is not a "moderate" so the explaination needs to be a "like for like" so feel free to give me the pat robertson or jerry falwell version
Did you read the quote?
It came from the lips of Omar Ahmad, THE CHAIRMAN OF C.A.I.R., WHICH IS THE LARGEST REPRESENTATIVE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAM IN NORTH AMERICA. IT CAN SAFELY BE SAID HE SPEAKS FOR "OFFICIAL" ISLAM ON THIS CONTINENT.
This is much more than can be said about Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or even Jesse Jackson, vid.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
The thing is j2, we used to kill people who wouldn't convert to Christianity, however we stopped doing that because it was wrong. P'raps in the fullness of time others will feel the same way p'raps not. P'raps they will learn that others have the right to choose their own path and indeed that there may be more than one path to the same end.
That being said, we did it to people who were weaker than us and couldn't do much about it. I feel confident that we can protect out right to live in a World where people can make choices for themselves. Feck we even defend the rights of people who would remove that very right. Which is really quite weird.
It is our very defence of liberty, that allows them to try to remove ours.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
I was watching the news, and they showed, that musilim owned grocery stores here have signs showing that they do not carry products from Denmark. We cant blame only the muslims in ME, most have the same thoughts, very few said the disagree. Many people have the same thoughts, some are a bit severer (sp?)compared to others. This morning, while watching FOX, Juan Williams (I think hes a political analyst for some paper in the US) said something like if a religionmust fuss about something shows signs of it being a weak religion. I'll try finding the exact quote.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by vidcc
Could you please explain the difference between this statement of intent and the intent of the christian mission...to convert those that haven't already to accept christ as the savior?
The difference?
Does modern Christianity preach it intends to be "the only accepted religion on earth"?
Do you not regard this as a difference? :blink:
Obviously the person that made this statement is not a "moderate" so the explaination needs to be a "like for like" so feel free to give me the pat robertson or jerry falwell version
Did you read the quote?
It came from the lips of Omar Ahmad, THE CHAIRMAN OF C.A.I.R., WHICH IS THE LARGEST REPRESENTATIVE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAM IN NORTH AMERICA. IT CAN SAFELY BE SAID HE SPEAKS FOR "OFFICIAL" ISLAM ON THIS CONTINENT.
This is much more than can be said about Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or even Jesse Jackson, vid.
Yes I did read the quote, and I am sure it would take me very little time to come up with many almost exact quotes from American christian "leaders". The fact that you feel islam and christianity are organised differently and that the likes of falwell don't speak for you (yet obviously this guy speaks for all muslims) is not material to the case.
What could be more American than the president? yet I doubt you felt Clinton spoke for your America most of the time.
Even without the extremist like falwell the sole intent of a missionary to convert others is in itself an attempt at sole domination.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Did you read the quote?
It came from the lips of Omar Ahmad, THE CHAIRMAN OF C.A.I.R., WHICH IS THE LARGEST REPRESENTATIVE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAM IN NORTH AMERICA. IT CAN SAFELY BE SAID HE SPEAKS FOR "OFFICIAL" ISLAM ON THIS CONTINENT.
This is much more than can be said about Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or even Jesse Jackson, vid.
Yes I did read the quote, and I am sure it would take me very little time to come up with many almost exact quotes from American christian "leaders". The fact that you feel islam and christianity are organised differently and that the likes of falwell don't speak for you (yet obviously this guy speaks for all muslims) is not material to the case.
What could be more American than the president? yet I doubt you felt Clinton spoke for your America most of the time.
Even without the extremist like falwell the sole intent of a missionary to convert others is in itself an attempt at sole domination.
The important point is how one goes about it. See my last.
I have no problem with you trying to convince me that God doesn't exist, by reasoned argument. It would piss me off if you tried to do it by offering violence.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by JPaul
The important point is how one goes about it. See my last
I have no problem with you trying to convince me that God doesn't exist, by reasoned argument. It would piss me off if you tried to do it by offering violence.
You are talking about extremists, which are NOT the majority of religious people no matter how it is framed.
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... most of these people are not intellectuals, so a reasoned argument is highly unlikely. In fact a reasoned argument would probably cost you your life.
Looking ahead, the solution to the "Islamic" problem, for future generations, is probably to ensure that the Islamic youth, receive an adequate education, so that they actually understand what they are reading in the Koran.
Re: boycotts of Danish goods in middle East!
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by JPaul
The important point is how one goes about it. See my last
I have no problem with you trying to convince me that God doesn't exist, by reasoned argument. It would piss me off if you tried to do it by offering violence.
You are talking about extremists, which are NOT the majority of religious people no matter how it is framed.
Indeed, Christian fundamentalists are sometimes really harsh with the words they use.
