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And I'm sure if two towers of your own went down with HUGE loss of life your country would not be the least bit interested in hunting down terrorists?
My apologies, it seems the Middle East's breeding grounds for terrorism are required sanctuary because Australia don't believe in the cause...
Im sorry if i miss read your post, but the cause of all this is Australia USA UK and others i walk with my eyes open i see what we do to other countrys and peoples...kick a dog enough and it will bite you
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Originally posted by exeus@10 January 2004 - 14:53
kick a dog enough and it will bite you
Tell me exeus, what would you say is the best course of action?
If all the Middle Eastern nations (Yes, I'm identifying these countries, because this is where the majority of terrorists originate from) can see that the US, UK, Australia & other nations will not stand for terrorism, do you think they'll be happy about it. As a quote from 'Pearl Harbor', "They've woken a sleeping giant".
No for sure we have to put end to terrorism, all i am saying is we caused this ourselves.
So yes i think we need to stop terrorism but we also need to look at what we do to others countrys to make them want to resort to terrorism. We have been messing about in the Middle East for how long...i mean we could go back to the crucades (yer i know i cant spell) just because here in the Western World we dont see in the Media what we do in other countrys be it open as now or in secret dosnt mean it dosnt happen.
The Middle East has been at war with itself since time began... and with that comes hatred towards the 'West'. Because of the fact that they can't do anything but create wars between themselves, their countries have literally gone to shit.
They are jealous and angered by the fact that 'John Doe' from the West has his own house, TV, Internet and lives his life in luxury.
Their belief is that anyone who does not believe in the religion of Islam, is evil and according to (their) God, must be punished.
Until these countries learn that life is the most precious thing on this Earth and that stoning is getting a little old, things will not change. They will carry on fighting with each other, carry on allowing terrorists to thrive in their communities and celebrate when an atrocity happens such as September 11th.
The Middle East in my view, could be a wonderful place, avast with palaces and monuments to aquire admiration from any nation.
This will never happen though, or at least in the far future, because they can't get off their behinds and do something worth while.
Why do you think the 'West' has fighter jets, aeroplanes, motor cars, computers, televisions? The Middle East has purchased these items themselves because they're so fu*king stupid to attempt to do it themselves. Maybe in 20 years or so, they'll be able to have their very own market in carpet making. I hear the trades good over there.
"life is the most precious thing on this Earth"
i agree fully
Sorry samurai but thats a load of bollocks.
Mathematics and algorithims were first developed in the Middle East while Europe was still in the Dark Ages. In fact we wouldnt even have computers without the number system they created. Before they created a number system founded on base (decimal = base 10, binary = base 2) the western world was using the Roman number system. Try creating a computer based on that number system :)
The same goes for astronomy and various other scientific endeavours.
Also.. not all of the middle east is desert and wooden shacks y'know.
As for the jealousy argument thats rubbish too. Life is not that simple.
I could also pull out numerous quotes from the koran to show you that Islam does not advocate the killing of all non-muslims. Its the same as any other religion, you get a few wackos who can twist it round to justify anything e.g. You have heard about the Inquisition, witch hunts etc?
It seems to me that your opinions are based on tired stereotypes and not historical fact. I suggest you actually meet some muslims from the Middle East and talk to them. It might open your eyes a little.
Sorry VIDcc, perhaps i was a bit strong on the muslims, is just that it seems all terrorists actually caught are muslims. the UK prisoners held by the US are muslims caught in Afganistan. what were they doing there, on holiday!! what religeon is bin laden? I wonder what religeon the terrorists who are killing US and UK soldiers in Iraq are <_< [/b][/quote]Quote:
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@10 January 2004 - 03:44
Looks to me like the terrorists are achieving their objectives, mahem and discord.
they created mayhem on 9\11 and they only need to read this forum to see the discord <_<
the only good thing so far, if you can call it a good thing, and that is they're bombing their own people/muslims. i think their heads are so far up their arses the don't know what they're doing <_<
this isn't having a pop just would like to say on the line about bombing their own people/muslims...erm muslims are not terrorist just happens that some are,as are catholics,protestants, any other religion and any other non religious person that commits acts of terrorism.
this is not a holy war despite what some might like to say.
i appreciate you are just giving the example about 9/11 but you must have seen how some people blow a slight thing like that out of proportion :D
what about the IRA and the many other groups from northern Ireland? (just using as an example and if anyone wants to start a rant about the rights or wrongs start another topic please)...terrorists come from all walks of life.
now i know this will draw some flak but think about it...the fighters in Iraq at the moment are not terrorists they are people in their own occupied country. i think the attacks they are doing are evil and often indiscriminent, however If the USA or Uk were invaded and occupied any citizen that did the same would be considered a hero by our people as were the French resistance in ww2.
i support our troops fully, they have been put in a place of great danger and i want to see every one of the reamining troops come home safely......i think it is a travesty that anyone has to lose their lives.
but this is all off the post topic.
as i said i was not having a pop just trying to get the emphasis away from religious scaremongering
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Originally posted by Samurai@10 January 2004 - 16:22
The Middle East has been at war with itself since time began... and with that comes hatred towards the 'West'. Because of the fact that they can't do anything but create wars between themselves, their countries have literally gone to shit.
They are jealous and angered by the fact that 'John Doe' from the West has his own house, TV, Internet and lives his life in luxury.
Ok Mr Kilroy come on out, we know it is you.
I don't often say this, but I haven't read so much ill informed nonsense for a long time.
I take it by "since time began" you mean since 1919 after the break up of the Ottoman Empire. They presumably started the US civil war, WW1, WW2, the Korean war and a whole host of others - any one of which resulted in far more deaths and casualties than any ME war you care to mention.
Prior to the Romans, the ME was barely aware of the existence of the West let alone jealous of it. Indeed as the cradle of civilisation they considered far off lands barbarous and dodgy. The post Ptolemeic Persian Empire was the only power that the Romans decided was a bridge too far.
Up until the 20th century there was little difference in the living conditions, mortality and general well being of the masses in any country and the rich have always been rich whatever land you live in (even the Russian elite had their Dachaus in the country). The glory of the Ottoman palaces and the Persian/Mogul cities were bywords for beauty and luxury in medieval Europe. We aspired to their achievements not the other way round.
The overwhelming majority of the terrorists involved in the current difficulties are Saudis - a country were poverty is not exactly a problem and where there are more Rolls Royces per head of population than most other countries in the world put together. Osama was worth hundreds of million and he chose instead to go and fight the Russians in Afghanistan. He and his followers are not motivated by money or TVs or internet connections (these things are just tools to achieve their ends) and if the West can't understand that it will never defeat them.
Incidently, if you look at the bottom of most products in your house you will see that they are manufactured in China, Japan or Korea.
I wanted to address some things:
1. @lynx- When I say America is NOT used to terrorism I was talking the American people not the government (that was fairly obvious).
2. @exeus- America was not around during the Crusades. It was European Christians trying to recover Holy Land from Muslims. Also the force feeding of Christianity onto non-Christians.
3. @Samurai- The higher mathematics WERE developed in the Middle East.
Think "AL"GEBRA. ;)
4. @everyone- Terrorists that have been interviewed and they say the same thing. America is main target due to our support of ISRAEL. Israel has a long standing feud with Palestine. They know Israel gets weapons and financing from the US. One Saudi said, "We see made in the USA on the rockets that bomb Muslim villages", which makes little sense but I get the point.
5. Our foreign policy changed drastically due to events in WW2 (for obvious reasons).
6. @lefty- All Muslims are not terrorists but.......there is breeding ground of hate from birth and it is spreading like a virus. At this point Osama and others have twisted the interpretation of "jihad" to mean kill anyone from America, in America, or that sympathizes with America. They are training children to strap bombs on themselves to later commit suicide bombings (pregnant women also). Osama can now say kill the French and there would suicide bombings in France if sees fit.
7. Why the America, America crap? There have been numerous Islamic terrorist acts commited and thwarted in France, the UK, and others.
Did you know terrorists planned to fly a plane into the Eiffel Tower? I guess that was due America. Terrorism is just evil. It does not attack government directly it just kills innocent people.
Sorry exeus among others, we have not 'caused' terrorism.
btw this is biggest turn way off topic I have ever seen in a thread (and I'm guilty too)