sex offenders lists

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Originally Posted by Busyman

What's with the name calling?

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Oh, the ironing. :lol:

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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420

Oh, the ironing. :lol:

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Yup it's ironing alright when I've seen you get on your high horse about the same shit.

I've seen you do same crap with me while ignoring others. :huh:

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Originally Posted by manker

I have a son, he turned one last month. Lovely little chap.

It's funny how you say that having children changed your perspective, does this mean that the birth changed you from a fucking liberal into your current state. Shame.

Anyway, I will protect my son in a variety of ways, one of them being him having no time alone with strangers. I think that's sensible. What I'll also be aware of tho' is that children who are abused normally get abused by people in positions of trust rather than someone who you just don't know. A first time offender. I am presuming that a convicted sex offender cannot ascend to a position of trust involving kids where you live too and that convicted paedophiles have special release circumstances which preclude them from being near children - this kinda negates Nikki's, well written but ultimately flawed, post.

We're both running the same risk here, I mean knowing that the guy at #34 is a sex offender and not letting him be alone with your child is a good thing but does it mean that you'll leave your child be alone with the guy at #33 who isn't on the list. Of course not and neither will I.

To safeguard 100% against paedophiles who've not yet been caught would entail locking the kid up under either your or your partner's supervision 24/7. I'm not going to do that but I will be extra vigilant when it comes to the time when either myself or a member of my immediate family cannot be by his side.

I would expect every parent to do the same.



A paedophile list would not make my child any safer because I take full responsibility for that task. I'm confident that I can do it with or without a public sex-offender list.

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Many of us are extra vigilant (God knows I am).......a small few are vigilante.

I also have extra knowledge witht the list. It also keeps the offender on their toes. We are watching. :shifty:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Yup it's ironing alright when I've seen you get on your high horse about the same shit.

I've seen you do same crap with me while ignoring others. :huh:

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I think that's more to do with the immatureness of your name calling* and the repressed homosexual subtext that your insults contain.

Yeah, I call people names on occassion but I do try to only be responding in kind.





*Yes, I realise the irony there as well.

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Originally Posted by NikkiD

Calm down Brain. :P

I think the point that fkdup is trying to make is that it's not about whether someone will re-offend, it's that awareness is key. Whether the child molestor actually re-offends is irrelevant.

If a child molester moves into a neighbourhood, and the public does not know about it, the opportunity for them to re-offend is more likely. People who don't know that their neighbour is a child molestor will be less likely to take necessary precautions to prevent such opportunities with that person from arising.

If a child molestor moves into a neighbourhood and the public does know about it, there is likely to be less chance of opportunity arising. People will be more wary of that person, more protective and more aware of potential danger.

To clarify what I mean by opportunity, I'll give an example. When someone new moves into my neighbourhood, they're often invited to coffee or some such for introductions and the like. Backyard barbecues or parties happen over the summer and you invite your new neighbour over. There are children present, who may or may not have some sort of social interaction with this neighbour, be it tossing a ball around, saying hello, or just being introduced. This is opportunity, akin to waving a red flag in front of a bull. The situation would not present itself if the public were aware that the new neighbour was a previously convicted paedophile.

The point was made that most molestation cases occur among family members or friends. If we don't know that someone has committed a crime like this, are we not more likely to allow them into our circle of friends? Allow them to be near our family? That statement loses credibility when placed in that light does it not?

It's true that not everyone will re-offend. It's also true that some will. We can't know with any certainty who will, and who will not. Isn't it our responsibility to protect our children from even the slightest possibility?

I believe the welfare of our children far outweighs the possible risk of vigilante attacks.

To the point of ostracism/privacy/right to reassume a normal life, I don't believe that anyone capable of committing a crime such as this should be afforded those rights. The mere fact that they could do something so atrocious to the most defenceless of victims denies them that right in my eyes, from the moment they committed the crime, to the moment they die, regardless of whether the legal system deems them rehabilitated or not.

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I am calm :blushing: and well said/posted Nikki, TYVM :)
I couldn't be arsed to go that deep into my opinion, had other things to worry about

Hesh, I was merely responding in the manner that you posted towards me
knock off the bullshit, I'll knock it off too, easy as that ;)

I care to know about who's been convicted of molestation,
because then I can take the precautions necessary to keep my kids away from these people,
or to instruct them how to react if/when confronted by such a person
(a swift kick in the balls comes to mind) :devil:

and before any of you jump on yer high horse....
NO I DO NOT WANT MY CHILDREN TO HAVE TO FACE SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES
I can see the possible reactions to this post...
"oh he's a rootin' tootin' gun totin' sun-of-a-gun that just wants his kid to go around kickin pepole in the nads, hyuck hyuck"
I dont even want to have to have a precautionary talk with them about it,
as I feel even the discussion is a theft of some of their innocence,
but child abuse/molestation is one of reality's sad faces

so what do you do? stay ignorant and make them a potential victim?
to hell with that, lessening the risk is a good way to start IMO

community service is another
I coach Little League, so I got kids up teh wazoo
on a slow week, we practice Mon-Wed-Fri, for about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs
the kids are in a safe place for that time
it's a pretty busy schedule for them, yeah, school til about 3 or so,
homework, then dealing with us degenerate coaches for a few hours :P
it leaves hardly any time for Nintendo or Playstation, I know :lol:
but it also leaves little time for them to be in potential harm's way
and when I say they are safe, believe it, at least while they're with me
I've kicked fuckers out of the park before, and I'll do it again,
if I feel they pose even the mildest threat to one of my kids ;)
the parents seem to support this, funny huh?
we got kids & parents itching to get on our team
not just because we teach em baseabll, or because we win,
but because the kids are my primary concern, as it should be,
and hopefully they come away from this season with more than a simple understanding of how to turn a double play
if I catch someone smokin dope at the park....gtfo
some stranger just hangin around lookin wierd....gtfo
is it a public park? yeah
but will I have that shit around children? nope
and if I see someone tryin to prey on one of those kids....
with drugs, sex, ANYTHING.....
I got half a dozen Louisville Sluggers in my equipment bag,
and I will try to dent every one of them over that fucker's head

I'm of the opinion that you have to take a stand as far as you're capable
even if that means meeting stupidity or malicious intent with violence

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Originally Posted by manker

What I'll also be aware of tho' is that children who are abused normally get abused by people in positions of trust rather than someone who you just don't know. A first time offender. I am presuming that a convicted sex offender cannot ascend to a position of trust involving kids where you live too and that convicted paedophiles have special release circumstances which preclude them from being near children - this kinda negates Nikki's, well written but ultimately flawed, post.

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here is the flaw, not Nikki's post,
(which happens to be the opinion of a concerned mother).....

....some of these guys/gals get released back into the community
no, they willl never be able to hold a teaching job (thank God),
or even to volunteer in childrens' after school/extra curricular activities,
as nationwide checks are ran even to coach Little League baseball
but...
they end up moving back into the average neighborhood,
next to the average family with the avreage 2.4 kids
and a mom & dad who both work, with some teeny bopper nanny, who,
talks on the phone with her b/f rather than sit the kids

if mom & dad dont know about Joe Neighbor's history....
well....you fill in the blanks....but I think Nik already filled them in.....

as for the first time offenders, the people in positions of trust,
meh.....I'll get into that later...

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

I am calm :blushing: and well said/posted Nikki, TYVM :)
I couldn't be arsed to go that deep into my opinion, had other things to worry about

Hesh, I was merely responding in the manner that you posted towards me
knock off the bullshit, I'll knock it off too, easy as that ;)

I care to know about who's been convicted of molestation,
because then I can take the precautions necessary to keep my kids away from these people,
or to instruct them how to react if/when confronted by such a person
(a swift kick in the balls comes to mind) :devil:

and before any of you jump on yer high horse....
NO I DO NOT WANT MY CHILDREN TO HAVE TO FACE SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES
I can see the possible reactions to this post...
"oh he's a rootin' tootin' gun totin' sun-of-a-gun that just wants his kid to go around kickin pepole in the nads, hyuck hyuck"
I dont even want to have to have a precautionary talk with them about it,
as I feel even the discussion is a theft of some of their innocence,
but child abuse/molestation is one of reality's sad faces

so what do you do? stay ignorant and make them a potential victim?
to hell with that, lessening the risk is a good way to start IMO

community service is another
I coach Little League, so I got kids up teh wazoo
on a slow week, we practice Mon-Wed-Fri, for about 2 1/2 - 3 hrs
the kids are in a safe place for that time
it's a pretty busy schedule for them, yeah, school til about 3 or so,
homework, then dealing with us degenerate coaches for a few hours :P
it leaves hardly any time for Nintendo or Playstation, I know :lol:
but it also leaves little time for them to be in potential harm's way
and when I say they are safe, believe it, at least while they're with me
I've kicked fuckers out of the park before, and I'll do it again,
if I feel they pose even the mildest threat to one of my kids ;)
the parents seem to support this, funny huh?
we got kids & parents itching to get on our team
not just because we teach em baseabll, or because we win,
but because the kids are my primary concern, as it should be,
and hopefully they come away from this season with more than a simple understanding of how to turn a double play
if I catch someone smokin dope at the park....gtfo
some stranger just hangin around lookin wierd....gtfo
is it a public park? yeah
but will I have that shit around children? nope
and if I see someone tryin to prey on one of those kids....
with drugs, sex, ANYTHING.....
I got half a dozen Louisville Sluggers in my equipment bag,
and I will try to dent every one of them over that fucker's head

I'm of the opinion that you have to take a stand as far as you're capable
even if that means meeting stupidity or malicious intent with violence

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So you kick people out off the park. May I ask on whose authority do you do this? Would it not be better to use your mobile phone and call the poklice if someone is acting suspiciously. Instead of hunting them away to some other park or street where kids play.

If you act the way you say you act you are not setting a very good example to the kids that you are supposed to be teaching.

On a Saturday morning I used to walk across the parks, about 2 miles, to the shops. I am an old man 66. I used to stop halfway and watch the boys playing football(Soccer). I would watch for about half an hopur then carry on to the shops. I always considered that boys soccer was the best and most natural game before the 'trainers' got them.

About 8 years ago I stopped watching the soccer and now just walk on past. The reason? I was frightened of people like you. Not frightened of you in particular, I would have personally shoved your bats where they belong. But frightened of what I said earlier. Even wrong accusations stick.

Just in case you are wondering
Yes I am married and have children
I am an ex policeman and ex college lecturer.

P.S. May I add that I would be more worried about the my kids coach than any spectator.

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Originally Posted by FKDUP74

here is the flaw, not Nikki's post,
(which happens to be the opinion of a concerned mother).....

....some of these guys/gals get released back into the community
no, they willl never be able to hold a teaching job (thank God),
or even to volunteer in childrens' after school/extra curricular activities,
as nationwide checks are ran even to coach Little League baseball
but...
they end up moving back into the average neighborhood,
next to the average family with the avreage 2.4 kids
and a mom & dad who both work, with some teeny bopper nanny, who,
talks on the phone with her b/f rather than sit the kids

if mom & dad dont know about Joe Neighbor's history....
well....you fill in the blanks....but I think Nik already filled them in.....

as for the first time offenders, the people in positions of trust,
meh.....I'll get into that later...

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I can't help your judicial system but that isn't the case with ours, did you misunderstand the bit where I said that there are measures in place to preclude convicted pedophiles from contact with children. What I mean was that ... they're not allowed anywhere near kids else they'll end up back in prison :huh:

There are enough people in the know, as it were, who will report the slightest indescretion to the police. This doesn't preclude family barbeques nor baby-sitting, funnily enough.

As for kicking people out of public parks for looking a bit weird. Brian, you're just a bully. Odd looking folk have rights too. I'd probably pull my son out of that team in favour of one where the coach didn't teach intimidation as well as basketball.

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Originally Posted by bigboab

So you kick people out off the park. May I ask on whose authority do you do this? Would it not be better to use your mobile phone and call the poklice if someone is acting suspiciously. Instead of hunting them away to some other park or street where kids play.

If you act the way you say you act you are not setting a very good example to the kids that you are supposed to be teaching.

On a Saturday morning I used to walk across the parks, about 2 miles, to the shops. I am an old man 66. I used to stop halfway and watch the boys playing football(Soccer). I would watch for about half an hopur then carry on to the shops. I always considered that boys soccer was the best and most natural game before the 'trainers' got them.

About 8 years ago I stopped watching the soccer and now just walk on past. The reason? I was frightened of people like you. Not frightened of you in particular, I would have personally shoved your bats where they belong. But frightened of what I said earlier. Even wrong accusations stick.

Just in case you are wondering
Yes I am married and have children
I am an ex policeman and ex college lecturer.

P.S. May I add that I would be more worried about the my kids coach than any spectator.

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Well said, Boab.

You should carry on watching the soccer if that's what you like to do. I often stop in the park and do the same if I'm not playing, be it mens/boys soccer or rugby. Mostly watching the kids is better because of their enthusiasm and love of playing, half the blokes on my team are only in it for the after match drink (including me if it's muddy :unsure:).

I notice lots of elderly gentlemen watching, particularly if the weather is nice. Any thoughts of something more sinister has never entered my head - and won't do of most normal thinking folk. Personally I'd smile while saying 'Fuck off, twat' if anyone asked me to leave a public park but I do understand that mud sticks.

It's a shame :(

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