death sentence in the uk?

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Originally Posted by JPaul

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I see it this way:

These people obviously see nothing ethically wrong with killing innocent people themselves so logically they see no ethical reason to not have the death penalty....... after all, to them killing is ok.

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So you think it's OK to emulate the ethics of murderers.

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Yes. But only on the murderers, not on innocent. There is a difference

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Originally Posted by vidcc

As there is no god...

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Prove it.

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Originally Posted by Rat

Whereas someone that killed in the heat of the moment at least understands that nothing he/she can say justifies the act of killing another Human Being.

I'm not a Christian, however i'm pretty sure that one of the big 10 that they continually ignore, is: "Thou Shalt Not Kill"..

Always seemed to me a little hypocritical in that the people that are most outspoken about keeping the Death Penalty in the USA, are those that describe themselves as devout Christians...

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They are old school, "eye for an eye"-type people. I reckon.

Some of the same crowd are prolly against abortions as well.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by JPaul

So you think it's OK to emulate the ethics of murderers.

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Yes. But only on the murderers, not on innocent. There is a difference

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as far as i see the difference between "murderers" and "innocent people" is the ability to pre-meditate and carry out a killing of a defenceless person

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Yes. But only on the murderers, not on innocent. There is a difference

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as far as i see the difference between "murderers" and "innocent people" is the ability to pre-meditate and carry out a killing of a defenceless person

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It's all stupid anyway, today there isn't one legal system on the planet that's good enough to ensure that only the guilty will be executed, so, in order to spare the lives of innocents a death penalty isn't feasible even if one would consider killing the guilty to be justice.

IMO, it doesn't matter if only one person in a hundred or more is wrongfully executed, it still isn't worth it.

naive question - but has this question / issue not been debated countless times over the last few decades?
was there not a debate about death penalty in uk ages ago?

it seems the conclusion is still the same - disagreement due to the value of life?

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

surely, someone who doesn't believe in god should be more prolife because they know a person only has one

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Why?

I am pro innocent life. (abortion issues and medical things aside) and the fact that we only get one makes the taking of an innocent worse.
Take Sarah Payne...Someone that believes in god can take comfort in the fact that she would be in heaven or some other afterlife.... I don't have that.

Knowing that the guilty person will have no afterlife is a bonus and an entirely just punishment for someone that ended the "one life" of an innocent.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Prove it.

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This is my belief and I stand by it..... prove there is one and I will change my mind. But as that can't happen I feel secure in my belief.

I used to use less obvious in my words but I was accused of being agnostic so now I make it clear i am an athiest. :)

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by JPaul

So you think it's OK to emulate the ethics of murderers.

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Yes. But only on the murderers, not on innocent. There is a difference

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1. That makes you as bad as them.

2. What if they are innocent, found guilty often does not equate to "did it".

3. In which case you are emulating the ethics of murderers, while dealing with innocent people.

At least you are honest and admit that it is a revenge thing. Even if it does mean you are willing to kill innocent people.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

surely, someone who doesn't believe in god should be more prolife because they know a person only has one

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.... and the fact that we only get one makes the taking of an innocent worse.

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That's what he's fucking saying.

You're the one who'se willing to take the risk, with other people's.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

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Originally Posted by vidcc

.... and the fact that we only get one makes the taking of an innocent worse.

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That's what he's fucking saying.

You're the one who'se willing to take the risk, with other people's.

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How?
Where have I said we should risk executing innocent people?


I already set the level at no doubt of guilt. I have stated on other threads that the system we have here at present needs to be tightened to remove the possibility of executing an innocent person. All they have to do is raise doubt no matter how thin to remove death as an option. Just beyond reasonable doubt isn't good enough.