The Matrix Trilogy Explained !

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Originally posted by vish_cometrue@17 March 2004 - 05:31
Do u even know what theme the Matrix movies echo? The Matrix movies revolve around a choice vs. casuality theme which I presume u didn't get from the movie.
Now don't tell me u knew that all the way. Coz if u did, u wouldn't have been asking such questions!!!!

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did my reference to greek tragedy not suggest that i understand the indifference of fate? if you check a few pages back, i mentioned a bill murray movie called "groundhog day." if you care to stop yelling about how much i apparently don't understand about le cinema, and how i am most likely a backpeddling liar who just makes shit up... you can click through the thread, verify the groundhog day post, and think about why i would mention such a movie in a matrix thread.

and it's causality, not casuality. ;)

Okay if we can all be sensible then tha's cool.

I would like to know people's opinions on who Seraph is? I've seen some theories on this today but I'm interested in yours...your own. :lol: ( I realise this question has been asked before on other forums but come on I'm interested now)

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why the squids don't just kill THE LAST REMAINING defender

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I know why the squids didn't kill the last defender...it's because the Merovingian wasn't the only one who was FRENCH.

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Originally posted by Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn't I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

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First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus's head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren't they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle)

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Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 20:21
Okay if we can all be sensible then tha's cool.

I would like to know people's opinions on who Seraph is? I've seen some theories on this today but I'm interested in yours...your own. :lol: ( I realise this question has been asked before on other forums but come on I'm interested now)

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Seraph is the guardian of the oracle. He is like a "firewall" who must protect the oracle from ppl like merv. B)

Also this guy seraph has a little side story to himself But then it is very vague, but then ppl have tried nonetheless in deducing it too. I believe in keepin it simple.

Btw this little side story suggests that the seraph originally served the Merovingian or Deus Ex himself. But since he is also a program he can be more associated with merv.
This can also blow up into a full scale debate. So i m not commenting much on it. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by marshall+17 March 2004 - 15:48--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 17 March 2004 - 15:48)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

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First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus&#39;s head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren&#39;t they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle)[/b][/quote]
Michelle: what I&#39;m saying is that there is, for want of a better word, a lot of religious imagery in the film. Seraph for instance is a rank of angel in Theology, which raises interesting questions about his role in the film. But I digress.

There is a lot of religious connatations in the film whether you choose to believe they are connected to the story or not.

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u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

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Then why are there so many religious names in the film? Why would the Wac brothers do this, just because the names sound cool or are the names there to give greater sigificance to the characters?

Remember names ARE important in this movie:

NEO: Anagram of ONE.

Agent Smith: As an agent he is supposed to pass through human populance without being noticed, thus the use of one of the worlds most common names.

If the names of these characters has some significance then why not others.

I really think you&#39;re wrong when you say that the names don&#39;t mean anything.

And my question on Seraph, which once again you&#39;ve missed the point on, is who he really is and where he came from. You must really think I&#39;m stupid, it&#39;s getting a bit ridiculous now.

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Originally posted by marshall+17 March 2004 - 22:18--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (marshall &#064; 17 March 2004 - 22:18)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Withcheese

Christ is the son of god. And god at the same time. A strange concept but not that hard to grasp. Some good points you made in there though, of course it is entirely subjective whether the film has religious connections or not, you say it doesn&#39;t I say it does. We both see different things in the film, neither of us is more right than the other.
@Michelle: Care to elaborate? Or is this the extent of your intellectual capacity?

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First off its Marshall not Michelle if u put on ur specs u might be able 2 see properly

secondly there is no connections of religions in the movie

Programs do not believe in god Humans do

As the name suggests THE MATRIX meaning computer generated dreamworld so no question of religion
as of now try not to combine matrix with Religions

u might now say the characters have reliogious names, sorry dude name holds no significance in the movie "IMO"

oracle was designed to understand human psyche she had from the beggining positioned neo as the savour of mankind inside morpheus&#39;s head. she exactly new this would make the zion people less believe on the reality that the machines r gonna come to zion since the people of zion believed more in morpheus


as for your asking who is seraph recollect

in Matrix Reloaded

Neo: These are back doors, aren&#39;t they? Programmer access.

Seraph: [nods]

Neo: How do they work?

Seraph: The code is hidden in tumblers. One position opens a lock. Another position opens one of these doors.

Neo: Are you a programmer?

Seraph: [shakes head]

Neo: Then what are you?

Seraph: I protect that which matters most. (clearly indicates he is a guardian of oracle) [/b][/quote]
Hey there are a lot of anagrams in the Matrix &#33;&#33;
like
Neo = One = Eon
Sati = Sita (Hindu Mythology)
Mobil = Limbo
Seraph = Phrase = Phaser (LOL dont ask me wot this means)

And btw i gave sum thought 2 your religious point of view to the whole matrix theory .... But then that might b the way your are interpreting the movie. Wotever way u interpret it the movie certainly isnt worthless or anythng &#33;

And btw for that religious viewpoint abt the merovingian ......this is wot i found out .........merovingian is derived from Merovingian Dynasty of kings who are supposed 2 be direct descendents of Christ. I also remember one of my friends telling me that Merovingian is related to Hades and all. But like i said i approached the story from a different point of view ...........call it Technical .....but thats me. Also i m not a Christian and/or i havent got a chance 2 read the bible .........so i dunno nuthin of it ......

:)

Merovingian is a line of kings that were supposed to be descended from Jesus (after his ressurection and a bit of how&#39;s-your-father with Mary Magdelene).

It&#39;s Merovingian&#39;s wife that is related to Hades (the name at least), Persephone
was the wife of Hades. So yet another reference to Merv. being the ruler of the underworld (though obviously this theory isn&#39;t for everyone&#33;)

I think it shows that at least the Wac brothers took the time when naming their characters, each name holds some significance to their character. It&#39;d be interesting to look into the other names...see what comes up. :)

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Originally posted by Withcheese@17 March 2004 - 18:55
Merovingian is a line of kings that were supposed to be descended from Jesus (after his ressurection and a bit of how&#39;s-your-father with Mary Magdelene).

It&#39;s Merovingian&#39;s wife that is related to Hades (the name at least), Persephone
was the wife of Hades. So yet another reference to Merv. being the ruler of the underworld (though obviously this theory isn&#39;t for everyone&#33;)

I think it shows that at least the Wac brothers took the time when naming their characters, each name holds some significance to their character. It&#39;d be interesting to look into the other names...see what comes up. :)

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hey chuse
as i said before matrix is a movie that is completely related to technical world and doesnt have any relation with religions "IMO"

as far as u r pointing out the names ofcourse the wac bros had to think specific names for each character they cant just go around and name the characters

think if morpheus was named Withcheese
"Man, wht a disaster that movie would have been"

naming always requires some amount of thinking

IMO the wac bros never took the matrix triology in "The Religious Movie" direction

if u understand technical terms then u might also agree that in the matrix movie they is no connection to any religion

btw if u were wondering wht chuse means it means "baby chicken"
:lol:

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hey chuse
as i said before matrix is a movie that is completely related to technical world and doesnt have any relation with religions "IMO"

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I think we&#39;ll have to agree to disagree...to me the film has more than one level, it is not purely a technical film neither is it a religious film. It has elements of both blended together.

I&#39;ve not said that the wac brothers tried to make a religious movie but they have borrowed an awful lot from christian mythology and other religions at the same time. I think IMO if you look at it as purely a technical film then you really are missing something out of it.

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if u understand technical terms then u might also agree that in the matrix movie they is no connection to any religion

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This is a bit puzzling though...are you suggesting I don&#39;t understand technical terms? I can assure you that is simply not the case. :lol:

Anyhow check out my new av, it&#39;s a "baby chicken" :lol: