death sentence in the uk?

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Prove it.

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This is my belief and I stand by it..... prove there is one and I will change my mind. But as that can't happen I feel secure in my belief.

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So you believe then.

Not being a religious sort of person like yourself, believing that what others believe in isn't believable seems sort of silly to me, but to each their own, and so forth.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by JPaul

That's what he's fucking saying.

You're the one who'se willing to take the risk, with other people's.

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How?
Where have I said we should risk executing innocent people?


I already set the level at no doubt of guilt. I have stated on other threads that the system we have here at present needs to be tightened to remove the possibility of executing an innocent person. All they have to do is raise doubt no matter how thin to remove death as an option. Just beyond reasonable doubt isn't good enough.

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it's practically impossible to prove there's no doubt

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

it's practically impossible to prove there's no doubt

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But not impossible.

We have a case here where a man was due to appear in court on a rape charge. He escaped by killing his guard, taking her gun and in his escape killed several others including a judge.

There is absolutely no doubt he did it.

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But if there cannot as you suggest be a case with no doubt then why are you arguing as there will never be a death sentence issued

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by JPaul

That's what he's fucking saying.

You're the one who'se willing to take the risk, with other people's.

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How?
Where have I said we should risk executing innocent people?


I already set the level at no doubt of guilt. I have stated on other threads that the system we have here at present needs to be tightened to remove the possibility of executing an innocent person. All they have to do is raise doubt no matter how thin to remove death as an option. Just beyond reasonable doubt isn't good enough.

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I take it then that you want the death penalty removed for only "reasonable doubt" cases.

ie you want the death penalty removed in the US.

If so why would we want it in the UK.

i don't believe that even if there isn't doubt every so often, the guilty should be killed

OK let's even look at it from a practical viewpoint.

If you introduce no doubt then you must also keep reasonable doubt - everyone agree.

Then the Judge must instruct the Jury something like this.

If you find him guilty with absolutely no doubt, no tiny iota of doubt, not even one of you. Then return a no doubt verdict and I can sentence the accused to death.

If you return a reasonable doubt verdict, then I can sentence the accused to a maximum of life.

Do you really think that 15 people would all be willing to say "yes, there is not the slightest doubt that this person is of sound mind and that they premeditatedly murdered another person and I am willing to see them die because of it".

Maybe in your country but I don't think so in mine. Which is what we are talking about after all.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

it's practically impossible to prove there's no doubt

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But not impossible.

We have a case here where a man was due to appear in court on a rape charge. He escaped by killing his guard, taking her gun and in his escape killed several others including a judge.

There is absolutely no doubt he did it.

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But, if he's found guilty of murder and sentenced to death, that would make it unfair not to convict others that have been found guilty of the same crime to the same sentence.

And since, in the real world anyway, no court is perfect, there is bound to be more than one wrongful conviction, and some will look, at the time, as if there isn't a doubt the right person was caught.

Those who have been wrongfully condemned have a chance of having a life if they are later proven innocent in a society without death penalties, this won't happen if they already are dead and buried.

SnnY, see my two verdict solution.

It rox.

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Originally Posted by JPaul

SnnY, see my two verdict solution.

It rox.

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It's definitely better, but somehow I think it'd still be fallible.


Maybe I need to have a little more faith in people, tho' :unsure:

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Originally Posted by SnnY

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Originally Posted by JPaul

SnnY, see my two verdict solution.

It rox.

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It's definitely better, but somehow I think it'd still be fallible.


Maybe I need to have a little more faith in people, tho' :unsure:

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It be better because it would never happen.

Serpently knot hear.