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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Thanks, I had thought it was a constitutional right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
You thought correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
That's a relief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
If you read the replies then you'll see that far from generalising all criminals to be masterminds, people that have put counter points to your assertions have actually been careful to qualify their statements. The point being that if a criminal, indeed one that could easily outwit you, decided to break into your home despite your 'admonation' (that word is used in jest, I take it) then you're probably fucked all ends up because of your precautions.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
I have outlined why at legnth.
Btw, you intimated at being insulted earlier in the week yet the condescension is dripping from your subsequent posts, is it tit-for-tat or do you really think I'm thick.
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
Busyman, would you give up your 6 guns, if you knew for a fact that you would never be attacked in your home?
If that's how you read what we wrote, then maybe you need to read it a couple of times more, since I don't think you get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
No one suggested that they were omnipotent, or even that they were particularily intelligent.
(Except manker, who put forth a different scenario, which also has its merits.)
What we did say, was that intelligence isn't really that big a factor if it comes to a point were you and they are face to face, guns aimed at each other, in your living room.
I daresay their brains have fuck all to do with whether they will hit you or not in such a situation. Why you persist in saying something along the lines of "I'm more intelligent, so therefore my chances of besting them are better" over and over when such a situation is proposed to you, I will never know.
Yes, by buying an alarm you do show that you have the brains to think of at least that. And by doing so you improve your chances of averting burglary
But if they do break in, and it does come to an armed confrontation, I, or rather we, doubt that you will automatically win just because your IQ is higher.
Would you like me to explain it again? 'cos I've only asked twice. Maybe third is the charm.
I can do this condescension-thing too.
And busyman, our criminals aren't pussies enough to need to hide behind guns, I think you got this bit about them being softer a bit backwards.
You see that's where that street shit comes in.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnY
It's not about being a pussy. It's about making you do what the fuck they want and sometimes flexing.
You can't grasp that this happens whether you armed or not. This where I say that maybe the criminal is a little softer. If you equate it the same then I wish we had pussy ass criminals.
j2 and I are going to think we will best an intruder. Anything's possible regarding us being bested. I'm not going roll over like the stereotypical Frenchman and just say, "Kill me". :dry:
I am also not going to make assumptions as to an intruders attentions. I take my life and family's very seriously. To potential intruders approaching my home it will almost always be "STFO" instead of "GTFO".
Sure it is, or rather it's about fear, they bring the guns 'cos they don't think they will be able to handle the situation, unless they are armed, and I can't say I find this very irrational either, with so many home owners being armed because they think this is what will save them, why would the criminals be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
You do, you've got criminals with guns robbing little old ladies and whatnot.Quote:
You can't grasp that this happens whether you armed or not. This where I say that maybe the criminal is a little softer. If you equate it the same then I wish we had pussy ass criminals.
If that's not a bunch of sissies I dunno' what is.
A higher IQ doesn't mean everything in a gunfight, again, pointing and shooting doesn't require you to have a phd, and I'm not sure about how much your going to the range will affect who hits who either.Quote:
j2 and I are going to think we will best an intruder. Anything's possible regarding us being bested. I'm not going roll over like the stereotypical Frenchman and just say, "Kill me". :dry:
Your intelligence shows in what you've done to avoid that situation, not when triggers start being pulled.
There is a such a thing as worrying too much, and the amount of precautions you say you have taken certainly points to you being a first rate worrier.Quote:
I am also not going to make assumptions as to an intruders attentions. I take my life and family's very seriously. To potential intruders approaching my home it will almost always be "STFO" instead of "GTFO".
But our mentality is also different. Rather than spending that much on guns I'd have spent money on bars for my windows, or turned my bedroom into a panic room, or something. Before risking that kind of confrontation you are preparing for I'd have done more to avoid it, assuming I was as worried as you about potential homicidal intruders.
If I'd put bars on my window the message would have been the same, but I'd have gone about it in another way. Not being armed is not akin to rolling over on its own.
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Show how I'm not trying to avoid it. There are those that would say, "You got a panic room? You are a first rate worrier." Hell I've been criticized for having a privacy fence and alarm system. I don't like bars on my windows. I can go onnnnnn and onnnnnnnnn.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnnY
I refuse to not protect myself and my family to the best of my ability under the law because I may piss a criminal off in hindsight.
If the situation warrants ever backing down then I will do so to protect myself and family.
The rod is mightier than the gun.
Hrm :D
I suppose that means I'm absolutely right about everything I've written. That's hardly a surprise ... still feel cheated tho'.
Not everything, ever, but most things, mostly.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Sorry but when self-appraising, I only deal in absolutes :snooty:
But j2, what if you get your gun and get a muscle spasm in your arm and then............Quote:
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A rod straight after a rod is worth two in the GWB :schnauz:Quote:
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wasn't there a debate where some suggested we don't need to learn a second language as the rest of the world already speaks English?Quote:
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Damnit...an answer for everything.Quote:
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Ok then what if..aww fuck it...I'm calling Snny back in here to take care of my lightwork...
@J2: meh :D you never answered the question though :rolleyes:
@busy: We've done this over and over, and we aren't getting anywhere, I'd chose other things than you in the same situation is all.
You might want to read up on your own replies though, you were the one that said something along the lines of your criminals being tougher.
This argument was always one that existed for its own sake, it doesn't matter to me what you do at home, as we'll probably never meet anyway.
Arrgh
The question was how you'd beat them using your superior brains if it came to a point where you and they were face to face, guns drawn, and all that.
Truth be told I don't think there's a good answer to that :P
This as I sort of think that your intelligence shows in what you've done to avert the situation, and that what happens in case of an armed confrontation (on this scale) is hard to influence by having the greater mind. No offense.
Guns are a great (in a very frightening way) equalizer, when it comes to these things, I think.
I'm still working on getting this to a 1000 posts, like :D
The whole point to my previous argument (with regards to this situation) was that the efficiency of the signs didn't require you to have a gun, though :P the gun is an entirely different animal and should be treated separately :D
(If it did come to him coming looking for you, gun in hand and all, any signs saying "I have a gun" will have warned him, and you are in deep doody then, gun or not, should it come to that.)
Really, I might well have done everything you would, apart from getting the gun, myself, was I sufficiently motivated.
I think we understand each other now, anyhow.
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people...but so do monkeys...if you give them a gun
I do not own a gun. (well, unless you consider that I live in a community property marriage-law state)
I am scared of guns. Have never held, loaded, or even seen what a 'safety' looks like.
The only time it has been loaded in my presence was when a man was loose in my neighborhood after having murdered his brother and sister in law. My husband kept it on the floor by his chair until we got news that they had found this man. Then he unloaded it and put it back.
I have to say I felt a little safer in this situation with a loaded gun and someone who knows how to use one, if necessary. Had I seen a glimpse of any boisterous, vigilante behavior on his part....I might have been more scared of that than the murderer.
Since I do not have his training and knowledge of guns, I am thinking if I was home alone and heard intruders, I would be safer hiding under the bed instead of grabbing an unloaded gun that I do not know how to load.
It has never been a big issue between us. He never brings it out around me, but has mentioned that if I wish, he will take me to the country and teach me how to load and use it. He is sensitive to my fear and would be the best teacher I could find.
My question is...........since there is a gun in the house, would I be better off knowing how to use it...........or should I go on as is.....fearing it? :unsure:
"Never go to clubs with metal detectors. Sure it feels safe inside. But what about all those niggas waiting outside with guns? They know you ain't got one."
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Well where I live just about everyone ownes a gun. I have around 12 myself. Pistol's shotguns rifle's and an AK 47 assault rifle with 30 round clips. All legal here. If someone broke in my home I sould turn them into swiss cheese as they entered no questions asked. All legal here. I have owned guns since I was a teen and know how to use one as good or better than anyone that could confront me. It is my American right to bear arms and I will do so for the defence of me my family and my property so to all the passive non gun owning peeps thats your choice but dont expect me to to give up guns just because you don't like them. Peace yall
Would it be offensive if I were to note that I could hear the faint twang of a lone banjo.Quote:
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Oh wait, no, it's duelling.
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An assault rifle? Do you have problems with robots sent back from the future in your local area? Are the local burgulars led by Hans Gruber? :unsure:
No, the AK 47 is the choice of the terrorist, not the chrono-crime fighter.Quote:
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I must say I agree with you, homeowners have no business with an assult rifle :dry:Quote:
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My personal opinion is, if you have one in the house, you should know how to use itQuote:
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and when not to use itQuote:
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Originally Posted by 15%
I like my AK. They are good guns and fun to shoot and one heck of a personal protection device LOL. One point I want to make is that some people do not have enough sense to own a gun period. People that drink alot, take drugs, hot tempered or just mentaly unstable sould never own a gun. They would end up shooting someone over nothing and end up in prison. But that is exactly why i own them. There are alot of stupid people out there that do have one and if it came down to me or them it would have to be them. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
Where's the bazooka?
Can't have a complete collection without a bazooka.
That may be my next big purchase. Im gonna go down the pawn shop tomorrow and see if they have one.
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Yes, RPerry, thanks. I think you are right. The gun is in the house. I should at least know the basics about it. I think I have avoided learning those because of the counter point 15% brought up here. By this I mean that if I go on not knowing how to use it, I don't have to make the decision about whether to use it or not.
If alone, my first choice would still be to try to exit the house quietly upon hearing someone break in. Things can be replaced.
If my little granddaughters were here, they sleep at the other end of the home, and that would change any split second decision I would make.
Learn how to shoot it. You may even like it. :naughty: