*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

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Originally posted by Hazzy Hazz@20 May 2003 - 13:19
I had just read the the transcript between Neo and Architect guy..........And after a few reads i finally understand the whole movie!!! Woo hoo!!

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

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I don't believe this proves Zion is reality. Zion could possibly be an independent matrix, isolated to protect the master matrix. Its like a holding cell until the architect and his team can figure a way to keep them happy and merge them back into the master matrix.

Something rather confussing the architect did say was "99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level."
It sounds like he's saying it didn't matter whether the individual was (unconscious/conscious) in or out of the Matrix 1% refused the program.

Wouldn't it make sense to keep them contained in an isolated matrix until you have a solution...?

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Originally posted by scruge+20 May 2003 - 14:17--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (scruge @ 20 May 2003 - 14:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Hazzy Hazz@20 May 2003 - 13:19
I had just read the the transcript between Neo and Architect guy..........And after a few reads i finally understand the whole movie&#33;&#33;&#33; Woo hoo&#33;&#33;

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

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I don&#39;t believe this proves Zion is reality. Zion could possibly be an independent matrix, isolated to protect the master matrix. Its like a holding cell until the architect and his team can figure a way to keep them happy and merge them back into the master matrix.

Something rather confussing the architect did say was "99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level."
It sounds like he&#39;s saying it didn&#39;t matter whether the individual was (unconscious/conscious) in or out of the Matrix 1% refused the program.

Wouldn&#39;t it make sense to keep them contained in an isolated matrix until you have a solution...? [/b][/quote]
Maybe it is not that the 1% was the one par say, but they were people like morpheus or trinity and they could be taken out of the matrix and that is why they wouldn&#39;t turn to agents. Now if that is true then Neo is part of the one precent, but he rejected the program entirely and ther for is able to see it as just a program. The only reason why he didn&#39;t orginally see it this way is that he was confirable in the matrix and didn&#39;t need to see the true matrix. Once morpheus removed him he was forced to see this and came to recognize it.

i dont know if anyone else has any thoughts like this but, when revolutions comes out and is supposed to answer all these questions about "what is the matrix". it would be funny when come to find out that the answer wont be half as complicated as most people make it out to be&#33;

Watched Matrix:Reloaded the other day and having thought about it have decided that I didn&#39;t like it as much as the first film. The sequences within the Matrix were excellant but what the fuck was going on with the "Rave in Ewok Village" section. What a crock of shit&#33;&#33; The producers must have been kicking themselves when the first movie was such a hit, Reeves is so wooden it&#39;s painful to watch him sometimes. Fishburne hammed it up a bit too much but I&#39;ll forgive him for the "Truck-Fight". In fact the whole "Freeway" sequence was breathtaking&#33;&#33; Also the way in which the video-game fills in the plot gaps is good. Game is a bit short and too easy though&#33;&#33; I&#39;m undecided whether there is a Matrix within a Matrix as discussed earlier in the thread. I&#39;ll have to see it again, the Architect section posed more questions than it answered. Overall I&#39;d give it 8 out of 10. :D

Monica Bellucci made me "pitch a tent". :lol: B) :lol:

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Originally posted by scruge@20 May 2003 - 15:17
It sounds like he&#39;s saying it didn&#39;t matter whether the individual was (unconscious/conscious) in or out of the Matrix 1% refused the program.

Wouldn&#39;t it make sense to keep them contained in an isolated matrix until you have a solution...?

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Excellent point&#33; We should all think on that one...

they would have to keep the variants happy somewhere would they not? that would make perfect sense...

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Originally posted by ripley02@20 May 2003 - 23:53
i dont know if anyone else has any thoughts like this but, when revolutions comes out and is supposed to answer all these questions about "what is the matrix". it would be funny when come to find out that the answer wont be half as complicated as most people make it out to be&#33;

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But in the mean time its kinda fun thinking about where the movie may go. Its a good exercise for the brain.

Some questions,

- Why did Oracle in "Matrix 1" says Neo was not the ONE, but she, like the Architect, is supposed to be the smartest program around and to know all of the stuff. Still, Neo is the only one that can do the cool stuff like flying and stopping bullets.

- What about the Agents? Where do they come from? Are they supposed to be antiviruses created by the Architect to stop anyone how kinda enters the Matrix with knowing that in reality this is not the real world?

- The two white guys and the french guy, do they only exist in the Matrix or is there a place for them too hook into the Matrix like Neo, Morpheus etc. does.

- How come the chineese guy who protects the Oracle was not seen in Matrix 1?

- How did Smith got into that corridor of infinite doors?

- When Neo flys through that door with Morpheus into that small room with only the other door that led to the architect, what if he had some explosive and detonated one of the walls in the background, whare would he exit? Would he create some kinda of crack in the matrix.

Morpheus was still in that room with the dead key-maker, on about the end they show Morpheus in the ship not connected to the matrix, how did he got out of the matrix? How did he got out of that room? Was it something like opening the door, which the key-maker closed, and he would be on some other place where he could find a phone to exit the matrix. I don&#39;t think he could be located i that room. Why don&#39;t they use mobiles to enter, exit the matrix or don&#39;t they have them?

- In the "real world" ther must be some centre which controls every human connected to the matrix. I would like to see something like this in Revolutions.

You may think I&#39;ve got so many stupid questions, but I&#39;m really interested in every detail.
Cheers.

1)I dont think you really got a grasp of the 1st matrix. The Oracle sadi that Neo wasnt the One on purpose even though she knew he was the one. She did this because if Neo believed he was the "one" he would not go and save morpheus. Going to save Morpheus brought his true powers out (esp. when fighting smith in subway). Therefore, if the oracle said he wud be the "one" he wouldnt actually be the "one".

2)I guess you could call the agents. Anti-viruses. They stop anything that threatens the matrix.

3)The French Guy and the Twins (this is still being debated) are seemingly programs in the matrix and not humans connected to the matrix.

4)No one knew the Matrix was gona be such a success. The protector probably wasnt thought of/ not needed for the first movie.

5)I have no idea, i am wondering this myself since Smith is no longer an Agent.

6)No idea what you are talking about

7)This whole getting out of the matrix thing is also being discussed. they never showed Neo/Morpheus/Trinity getting out of the Matrix although they showed Link. (However they could still be in the matrix and Link could just be a program hmmmm).
They probably need a direct line to get out of the matrix and cant use mobiles. It would also be too easy if they could just use a cell phone or something.

8)This would be interesting

The thing is this though, in the first matrix Morpheous tells neo that the first "one" remade the matrix etc and was propechisied to return. I take that as this first one was able to free himself at least from the program in the sense they knew it was a crock and got others together so when they were spit out of the matrix they built zion. but then again that sounds off because once the things that removed neo took them out they wouldn&#39;t be able to swim etc due to atrophied limbs from non-use. So my next conclusion then is that after the previous matrix failures due to program rejection the machines under the the oracles(she&#39;s studied human emotion etc. and can calculate response being a program under a given set of circumstances based on this knowledge i.e neo knocking over the vase, or his uncertainty and saying he wasn&#39;t the one) thought I&#39;d be best to create a city like Zion for them to flee into. But damn it they&#39;d still have to take people out like the architect was going to have neo pick to rebuild zion. But that being the case as the architect said with neo having to pick thirteen out of the matrix to rebuild it then that means the machines could&#39;ve done this themselves the first time they decided to build a zion and wiped the memory of the matrix actually putting the people in zion out of the founders of zions mind. that would mean it&#39;s not another matrix but a sort of failsafe for the program which kept lets say "corrupt" files from mucking up the system and figuring out to to truely defeat the enemy. Hmmm. As for neo stopping the squiggly&#39;s I&#39;m thinking that the "ones" take on program attributes and the hardware the still posess which is in interaction with the matrix software can sense and affect other matrix programs on matrix software possessee&#39;s. An example of programs being able to sense other programs was the Oracles protector sensing former agent Smith and hustling her out of there for neo to fight or the Dangerous French guy program wife knowing that the chick at the table was blowing the French guy when he went to the bathroom. But once again while language said in reference to rogue programs lead me to believe the twin dreadlockred programs and the dangerous program were holding the keymaker in quarintine but later on the freeway decided to delete him in the agent own words which the keymaker knew was his fate but then why was he bleeding when shot? Could the matrix give older programs like this "keygenerator" human like quailities for easier deletion? Look how the "mother" of the matrix needs to be protected from other programs. I mean "silver bullets" to kill that old program guarding the keymaker? Hmm I&#39;ll iron this out further at some point.

I&#39;ll answer some questions now:

1. She said he was not the one because he didn&#39;t believe in himself from how he was acting and her being well versed in human behavior knows what to say to get a person or processor if you will to do it&#39;s job. The sitution shwe saw coming would force him to believe in himself asides his oldness when being freed and surviving it mentally.

2. The twin brothers and the French guy as well as hs wife and the dudes that attacked neo in that hall as Mor and trin got away with the keymaker are programs. The Oracle told neo a dangerous program was holding the keymaker and the French guy that program told neo the fortune tellers days were numbered so I think he&#39;s a program too to know of her faced other ones which would mean he&#39;s been around across the times which would have to be decades if not centuries zion was built and destroyed several times.

3. different circumstances this time. Perhaps the Oracle is taking on Rogue program in need of deletion characteristics and needs destroying for betraying her programming objective and becoming a ""beliver" as she says in neo.

4. Smith has virus characterictics with the duplication and can sense neo as he said so he probably can see these areas in the matrix program to get into them.

5. If he detonated something it wouldn&#39;t have mattered. Blowing up the whole building didn&#39;t destroy the matrix after he left the Architect.

6. morpheus left the room at the same time Neo went to see the architect. Remember the keymaker says to morpheus "that door will lead you out or home" and to neo you know which door to go to to get to the source.

7. I explained how he got out which answers this question also but to add they need a hardline wired into the matrix which a mobile or cell phone isn&#39;t.

I read an interesting point made by someone on another forum.

Remember when Smith assimulates the goatee guy early in the movie. If you recall they had a little computer device (memory chip) they had recieved from the Oracle. The first guy to exit the matrix took it with him and later gave it to Neo in Zion.

How in the world did he transport the device out of the matrix????