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Originally Posted by vidcc

I appreciate our conservative members may not like the people that set this up but this is about human values. QUOTE]




I saw this and read it as such that you were saying 'it doesn't matter who set this up, what matters is human values, something we all care about.'

Did I misunderstand your meaning, Vid?

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Only insofar as you need to remember that "other-than-conservatives" determine what or who conservatives are allowed to "like" or "advocate", 'Rose.

If they say it's off limits, or especially "human values", they are staking out that particular cause/sentiment for themselves; conservatives may pay lip-service, but only as permitted by "other-than-conservatives", who should be defined here as those who are liberal/socialist, but have a sensitivity to labels, and so apply them only to others.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Funny; now the world is divided between "conservatives" and "not-conservatives".

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"You're either with us or against us." -- George W. Bush (he's a uniter, not a divider)

not to say that boosh speaks for every conservative. but. you know. he's got some connections.

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Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Funny; now the world is divided between "conservatives" and "not-conservatives".

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"You're either with us or against us." -- George W. Bush (he's a uniter, not a divider)

not to say that boosh speaks for every conservative. but. you know. he's got some connections.

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He did until now...as there are other Repubs jockeying for the position of the next Prez.

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Originally Posted by Everose

Only insofar as you need to remember that "other-than-conservatives" determine what or who conservatives are allowed to "like" or "advocate", 'Rose.

That practice is rather limiting.....or narrow, is it not?

If they say it's off limits, or especially "human values", they are staking out that particular cause/sentiment for themselves; conservatives may pay lip-service, but only as permitted by "other-than-conservatives", who should be defined here as those who are liberal/socialist, but have a sensitivity to labels, and so apply them only to others.

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Short cuts into the understanding of other humans and their beliefs. We all take them, don't we. Once suposedly defined, labeled and limited.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I appreciate our conservative members may not like the people that set this up but this is about human values.

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This line is to stick to the point of what it is about which is the value that torture is wrong. It is to avoid any argument that the people that set it up are doing so to make a partisan dig at this administration. I wrote it so people would view the point as is and not any partisan agenda. I wrote it so motives would not be questioned.

you either obviously missed that point or decided to be partisan and deflect from the subject.

Rose got it, I wonder why you questioned it. Could it be that you really are paranoid and you see everything as a personal attack?

Are you back to the "I started the thread, so I'll decide how people debate the point" routine.

Surely as long as people stay relevant, then they can choose what the issues are. If they think that the organisation having an agenda is important, then they should say that.

Freedom of expression and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Are you back to the "I started the thread, so I'll decide how people debate the point" routine.

Surely as long as people stay relevant, then they can choose what the issues are. If they think that the organisation having an agenda is important, then they should say that.

Freedom of expression and so forth.

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The line was questioned by someone so I cleared up what it said and why I wrote it...you have a problem with that?

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Originally Posted by vidcc

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Are you back to the "I started the thread, so I'll decide how people debate the point" routine.

Surely as long as people stay relevant, then they can choose what the issues are. If they think that the organisation having an agenda is important, then they should say that.

Freedom of expression and so forth.

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The line was questioned by someone so I cleared up what it said and why I wrote it...you have a problem with that?

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No problem with you clearing up what you meant. A problem with you trying to put boundaries on how people discuss things.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

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Originally Posted by vidcc

The line was questioned by someone so I cleared up what it said and why I wrote it...you have a problem with that?

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No problem with you clearing up what you meant. A problem with you trying to put boundaries on how people discuss things.

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