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of course history is written by the victors. this doesn't give them carte-blanche authority to do anything they wish....I am not prepared to "live with" war crimes. that they are selectively prosecuted is a problem with the administration, not the value underneath. deal with it.Quote:
Originally posted by leecheskicked@30 April 2003 - 22:26
simple truth of life = history is written by the winners
u ever read the gauls account of the Agricolla? - live with it
kissinger is a mass-murdering psycho - definitely
how USA can remain ignorant for so long is disgusting
he is still be sent as a peace broker
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'you can bomb the world to peices, but you can't bomb it into peace'
USA crimes are usually worse than others aswell because there is more money and people to do them
who else has B52s? who else used atomics? daisy-cutters, aerosol bombs, napalm, DU weapons?
anyone else would be rogue states, terrorists, communists, insurgents, rebels, treats to national security.
[i know that the brave in the land of the free is the native americans - the whiteys kill from afar like scared cowards]
I hesitate to buy into this debate about Kissinger as other significant half sits next to me telling me that Lyndon Johnson ("red dog democrat") was responsible for the bombing of Cambodia.
"Because Lincoln was a Republican ...they would vote for a Republican even if it was a red dog. Maybe Kissinger engineered it by Johnson that filth bag carried it out. You can blame Kissinger but he wasn't the President and couldn't order it, he was just an advisor, and not only that........(breath)....but Johnson lied about it to Congress and to the public .....and...(breath)...he accused Goldwater of accusing it to do it to get elected. It is disgusting. Everyone was disgusted by it. It was a long time ago but I think it bears repeating. Johnson was not a peacemaker, and was going to whack Ho Chi Minh's pecker off, and that is not a peacemaker attitude is it".
..........."Kissinger, (cough) even if he was bad had to take it in the totality of his career. People think he was bad but I respect him. He understood Dictators and knew how to deal with them. Perhaps that is because he had a bit of that in him." :blink:
the Third Reich and the holocaust were a long time ago too, half the western word ended up against hitler, he had to deal with terrible men like stalin. should we re evaluate the holocaust against his whole career - he got the trains running on time his scientist cronies invented magnetic recording tape, balistic missiles and instant coffee all things which have influence in our livesQuote:
It was a long time ago but I think it bears repeating. . . even if he was bad had to take it in the totality of his career.
USA seems to want to exist outside of the actions and complexities of history as some one dimensional hollywood action hero, viewing it's murder as liberation through rose coloured cable TV glasses
"quick Michael Moore isn't sticking to the script, swell the play out music, overdub booing and break to a commercial"
if you keep your head in the sand, something's going to kick your ass
"The only thing that stopped Stalin was the nuclear bombs being dropped on Japan. Hitler is one of the ones on that list that the US got rid of too. Stalin was neutralised by the US. He was ready to go into Europe, and it is said that Stalin knew at the point the bomb was dropped that his plans were foiled".
significant other
there was more...
"It isn't intentions that matter rather the consequences of your actions that matter. Chamberlain in retrospect was responsible for a lot of death and destruction and that is despite the fact he did what he did trying to prevent death and destruction. Kissinger's philosophy was that you have to be very firm and consistent with Dictators."
who were the target dictators for K in Cambodia and Laos?
there children are still born hidiously mutated by the US chems K dropped on their land
all of the great powers have alot to answer for [especially the english speaking ones]
but the bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki are war crimes without equal
US command had a morotorium on bombing both of these targets so that they would provide optimal testing conditions for the new US weapon.
conventional war and the extent of the Japanese supply chain ended the Japanese campaign
[i suppose that bombing Japan to 'neutralise' a Russian dictator makes about as much sence as bombing Afganistan because a bunch of Saudis kamakasied]
firm and consistent with dictators ehh.
what?, like providing two of the best [suharto & pinochet] with all the CIA and covert support US taxes can supply
most 'dictators' got there due to US intervention
US liberation is seems to be little worse than death, so maybe destroying villages to liberate them is a great and noble idea