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Quit talking about the "will of the voters".
Poll after poll have shown that the majority of Wisconsin citizens DO NOT support Walker in this fight.
The Koch brothers DO support Walker because he wants to sell off power plants- in "no-bid" sales- to them at bargain basement prices.
By the way, it's nice you want to be civil, now let's try being informed as well.
I'm not sure about Wisconsin's budget per se, but in Arizona, K-12 education takes up the majority of the state's budget. They are sinking our state. This is what happens when we import hundreds of thousands of extremely poor people, who depress wages, don't pay income taxes, and then take, take, take from government services, including schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
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Originally Posted by 999969999
You are trying to balance budget by cutting one of the most sensitive, already stripped sectors. Teachers are not sinking the state(s) with their marginal salaries, and moderate benefits. Look elsewhere.
Something has to give.
Socialism just doesn't work.
Hello? Have you heard of representative government? Elections have consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
Or does it only matter when Democrats are in the majority?
When Democrats shoved Obamacare down our throats, the Republicans didn't pull a stunt like this.
Didn't a bunch of state politicians flee Texas about 10 years ago to prevent a vote? Were they republicans? This isn't the first time something like this happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
Also, you don't have socialism. You have social aspects of governing, such as education and emergency response (sans medical). Also, your specific state's budget problem is way oversimplified in your description of it. That slightly greater than 50 % of the budget also includes state post secondary education spending. Your statement implies primary/secondary schools should be mostly privatized.
Facts have consequences too, and no matter how many lies you propagate or how loudly you shout them, reality does not change.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
Wisconsin's budget problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with union workers pensions.
The state's pension funding was 99.8% in place- fourth best performance in the nation- and was fine for the next 30 years.
In fact, transferring management of the fund from bankers back to state employees would save another $135 mill or so but that would piss off Wall Street and Walker is averse to that also.
BTW
After the lock-step refusal of Republicans to consider ANY of Obama's legislation from 2008 through 2010, you've lost the right to say "elections have consequences" now and forever.
Please clarify- is it the teachers, or the "hundreds of thousands of poor" who are sinking the state? :unsure: You seem to be grinding your anti-Mexican axe again, but want to take it out on the teachers. Is it because teachers are all "socialist"? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by 999969999I'm not sure about Wisconsin's budget per se, but in Arizona, K-12 education takes up the majority of the state's budget. They are sinking our state. This is what happens when we import hundreds of thousands of extremely poor people, who depress wages, don't pay income taxes, and then take, take, take from government services, including schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
Something has to give.
Socialism just doesn't work.
Again you demonstrate a sad lack of knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
Pensions are not "socialism".
Pensions and health benefits are part of the deal that the state made with teachers...you work for less (compared with comparably educated people in the private sector) and the payoff is a pension and health care.
It's a capitalist contract through and through.
10 years ago? How would I know? I was going here back then... http://www.elks.net/_IS/is.aspQuote:
Originally Posted by mjmackyDidn't a bunch of state politicians flee Texas about 10 years ago to prevent a vote? Were they republicans? This isn't the first time something like this happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
Also, you don't have socialism. You have social aspects of governing, such as education and emergency response (sans medical). Also, your specific state's budget problem is way oversimplified in your description of it. That slightly greater than 50 % of the budget also includes state post secondary education spending. Your statement implies primary/secondary schools should be mostly privatized.
I can tell you that I've never heard of anything like this ever happening before. It's certainly not the way our representative government is supposed to function. They should show up and do their job... vote. That would be respecting the will of the voters, who this time around put a Republican majority in power.
I think Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Lenin would be in favor of unions. I think they are more socialistic than capitalistic.
Someday 9, what you "think" and reality will intersect and boy, will you be embarrassed by these posts.
Just as liberals do not like freedom of choice when it comes to unions-- you know, freedom to join a union or to not join a union, freedom to pay union dues or not pay union dues, freedom to make these choices without being bullied by organized crime thugs, er I mean union bosses...--- liberals don't like freedom of speech, either, when it comes to this issue. Yes, elections do have consequences. The Democrats run away from their responisibilities like frightened little girls. The Republicans were outnumber for two years, but they showed up and voted, and then lost the vote, and had things like Obamacare shoved down their throats. Now Republicans are in power in certain areas and rather than respecting our representative government, the Democrats act like a bunch of chickens. I hope the voters remember this in 2012.Quote:
Originally Posted by clockerFacts have consequences too, and no matter how many lies you propagate or how loudly you shout them, reality does not change.Quote:
Originally Posted by 999969999
Wisconsin's budget problems have absolutely NOTHING to do with union workers pensions.
The state's pension funding was 99.8% in place- fourth best performance in the nation- and was fine for the next 30 years.
In fact, transferring management of the fund from bankers back to state employees would save another $135 mill or so but that would piss off Wall Street and Walker is averse to that also.
BTW
After the lock-step refusal of Republicans to consider ANY of Obama's legislation from 2008 through 2010, you've lost the right to say "elections have consequences" now and forever.