Who's a jaggoff now? Are any of us regime Persians?Quote:
Originally Posted by SonsOfLiberty
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Who's a jaggoff now? Are any of us regime Persians?Quote:
Originally Posted by SonsOfLiberty
lol SOL, this is Iran we're talking about; where they still have punishment from B.C.
Punishments from the B.C because humanity haven't been able to come up with anything better to vanish the crimes from the same era as the punishments are.Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
Did you just defend a regimen that can decide to stone someone to death? :blink:
Take a look at this. (beware, it's extremely disgusting, well at least for me).
No, not defending it rather emphasizing focus on the other side of the coin, violence and injustice of any kind or of any degree shouldn't be tolerated at all and necessary measures must be implemented to curb it as much as it could be, no matter how hard they may be. Obviously, it's my personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Although, I've heard this thousands of times and I always thought it's the part of the west's ridiculous propaganda against Islam but having read it from the humble and reasoning based people like you and iLOVENZB, I'm just beginning to think if there's something more to it which I completely fail to understand.
I think it was more along the lines of, "what can you expect from people who still abide by prehistoric laws, of course they'd have prehistoric punishments".Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
For me it's quite simple to answer to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by whatcdfanNo, not defending it rather emphasizing focus on the other side of the coin, violence and injustice of any kind or of any degree shouldn't be tolerated at all and necessary measures must be implemented to curb it as much as it could be, no matter how hard they may be. Obviously, it's my personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
Although, I've heard this thousands of times and I always thought it's the part of the west's ridiculous propaganda against Islam but having read it from the humble and reasoning based people like you and iLOVENZB, I'm just beginning to think if there's something more to it which I completely fail to understand.
I live in Europe, and as you know, death sentence has long been abolished around here. This was based on a very simple concept: the State can not kill its own citizens, risking becoming the killer itself. This is one of the reasons why Turkey can keep dreaming if they want to join the EU.
So, for me it's completely unacceptable that the law, the government or whatever you wanna call it, can decide on life and death of its citizens. Moreover, it's unacceptable that a government can be ruled by religiously originated laws. We are a secular state. Our citizens can decide which religion to follow (if any) and at the same time not be obliged to follow laws made by different religions. It's called giving people a choice, tolerating and respecting their choices.
Now, there aren't only islamic countries advocating the death penalty, see the U.S.. Though I do not agree with it at all, the main difference here is the sheer atrocity of the stoning. It's public humiliation of a soon to die citizen. It's not civilized, by any standard I know of. And a government that supports it can not be described as civilized, I'm afraid.
The video is really a tough thing to see, we are so far from the iranian reality, and not even mentioning that death is part of their everyday life meanwhile for us is somehting that is better to keep hidden and easily forgotten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalo
America isn't much better. I was always puzzled when I did history/commerce at school. We learnt about the 'bill of rights' of which one was "freedom from cruel and unusual punishments and excessive bail", yet they still have capital punishment.
Is capital punishment constitutional because it doesn't involve pain? Not sure if methods have changed but being hung, getting shot by a firing squad or being electrocuted would indeed hurt. As I understand they just use lethal gas now?
Anyway capital punishment is probably better than being violated in prison. Interesting read on prison rape: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report1.html
This is why I don't believe in imprisonment for petty crimes such as cannabis possession. I friend of mine went to prison for two years and came out with a bunch of contacts. Even though he was there for 2 years he changed his mentality of Governments and common law.