Re: New build and the inevitable problems
If money really isn't a factor you can go balls out and buy whatever the fuck you want and really can't go wrong. Most of my advice will probably be with value and noise in consideration, which you may take with a grain of salt if you dont care about those as much for certain parts/price points.
A CPU will make a marginal difference in terms of gaming performance. It will make a bigger difference in RTS's like Starcraft 2 and Civ 5, but then again those games aren't resource intensive enough that you need the best cpu anyway. A low end i5 will basically give very similar performance to the top end processor at a much cheaper price. Get the K version of the processor if you plan on overclocking.
Motherboard also makes very little difference in terms of gaming performance unless you plan on overclocking. If you aren't overclocking, getting a cheap one is perfectly fine.
Memory, I would just shoot for 16 GB, which will be plenty for pretty much anything in the forseeable future. Memory speeds are basically irrelevant, it's not worth paying a premium for faster memory. As you said, that's money much better spent into a better GPU.
In terms of graphics cards, AMD cards are currently much better value although they tend to sound like jet engines. Nvidia cards are quieter but have a little less bang for your buck, so it's up to you on that front. I would also recommend NOT going the SLI or Crossfire route unless money is REALLY no object and you're running like three monitors in eyefinity or something. It's complete overkill for current games, incredibly money inefficient, and generates a lot of heat and noise. It also can have the occasional compatibility issue and microstuttering can occur as well.
The Samsung EVO SSD's that Skiz uses are very solid. Follow the link I posted earlier the the thread to get even more performance out of it.
I personally find water coolers to be completely unnecessary unless again, you are planning on overclocking. A solid air cooler will almost always be quieter (no, liquid doesn't mean it's silent, there's still the pump/radiator) and will perform better at lower price points and with a better cooling/noise ratio. Only if you're investing a lot into a good water cooling will it out perform air cooling, and again, that's only if you plan on overclocking. No offence to Skiz, but the Corsair H series is not past that point.
PSU's and cases are really up to you. If you're find with the one's you have, re use them. Otherwise, buy another. The Fractal R4 Skiz uses is a very solid case, and I've heard a lot of good things about it. I generally feel like there isn't a really a big difference between PSU's other than noise. Getting a "platinum" rated PSU will in general cause it to make less noise since it's a lot more efficient and doesn't generate as much heat. Therefore the fans don't have to ramp up as much (and actually most platinum PSU's are "hybrid", in the sense that it'll stay passively cooled with the fan off until a certain load) and the PSU is a lot more quiet. Up to you whether that's worth the price premium.
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You know way too much about stuff that doesn't involve getting laid or getting high for someone your age.
I suggest you burn whatever tech stuff you have and invest in a red sports car and considering your recent posts also probably a sense of humour.
Thank me later when you are destitute but happy.
Also,grasshopper since I'm vain and shallow and stuff I was really more interested in what looked cool as opposed to what actually..... worked.:mellow:
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Go get an alienware then or something. I know you find flashing lights to be absolutely mesmerizing.
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Does this Alienware company have any models that involve inset diamonds or gold inlay or better yet give a shock if I attempt to play RTS games?
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Not to disagree with Rart, no that's not true, I'm going to disagree with him on a couple of points based on personal knowledge. If you have the money there is a big performance advantage to be had in 32GB of (fast) RAM plus an SSD, the speed difference on the same system over 16GB with this upgrade is noticeable.
If you are not going to overclock most of the debate about aftermarket coolers water or air becomes invalid, although once again I am going to disagree with him on the noise level from a watercooled system. I have an Antec H2o 920 cooler which is a push pull design (2 fans) with a radiator between. The fans turn at 800 rpm and are barely audible. This cooler is connected to the motherboard via USB as well and has an app to control it so that you can monitor various functions including fan speed and and sound pressure, it is FAR quieter than other air coolers I have like the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 on another system.
I build custom systems and have installed alot of the high end air coolers and prefer the watercooled solution myself. They are now alot cheaper and price competitive with aftermarket air coolers.
I agree about costs of CPU's and motherboards, if you are not going to overclock you do not need a high end motherboard, and the difference between an i5 and an i7 processor is geeky and actually not used by alot of software anyway, certainly not worth the extra outlay.
Bang for your buck the graphics weapon of choice at the moment is the NVidia 760, now I know the AMD fanboi's will be all over that but in the hardware tests and bang for your buck it is the best graphics card out there, I prefer EVGA but they aren't the cheapest of suppliers.
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Not to disagree with Rart, no that's not true, I'm going to disagree with him on a couple of points based on personal knowledge.
Kissing girls isn't icky?
Having children does not in fact make your life better?
Don't let their close resemblance to domesticated dogs fool you,dingoes don't want to be petted?
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If you have the money there is a big performance advantage to be had in 32GB of (fast) RAM plus an SSD, the speed difference on the same system over 16GB with this upgrade is noticeable.
I would like the technical reasoning behind this. How would there be a noticeable difference when most of the time (if ever, as far as I can see) 16GB, yet alone the 32GB, would not be fully put to use?
I am not making an argument here, Art, but hope to learn something.
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If you have the money there is a big performance advantage to be had in 32GB of (fast) RAM plus an SSD, the speed difference on the same system over 16GB with this upgrade is noticeable.
I'm sorry, while the other points you bring up could come down to a difference of opinion, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you on this one. Unless you're trying to make a RAM disk or something, there is no practicable difference in installing more RAM that you're not going to use anyway. I rarely go over 4 GB, let alone 8 or 16 GB. Maybe pre-Hynix fire when RAM was dirt cheap you could spend money on more RAM for the heck of it, but at current prices there is absolutely no reason to go over 16 gb in any consumer scenario.
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This cooler is connected to the motherboard via USB as well and has an app to control it so that you can monitor various functions including fan speed and and sound pressure, it is FAR quieter than other air coolers I have like the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 on another system.
Then you're not getting the right air coolers. Check silentpcreview for some good air coolers/analysis of noise. If you choose a good cooler and the right fan, you will be getting the same/if not better performance as low end water coolers at half the price, and at lower noise levels since there are no extra radiators/pumps making extra noise. Low end watercooling is simply not worth the price, it's a marketing gimmick similar to high DPI mice to get you to buy things you don't need. You really need to devote money into a good custom built loop to really appreciate the benefit that comes from water cooling.
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Bang for your buck the graphics weapon of choice at the moment is the NVidia 760, now I know the AMD fanboi's will be all over that but in the hardware tests and bang for your buck it is the best graphics card out there, I prefer EVGA but they aren't the cheapest of suppliers.
I personally think at that price segment the AMD 270X is a better choice as it's very close in performance for 50 bucks less. I still prefer Nvidia myself though because in the higher end AMD cards tend to become jet engines, which isn't worth the advantage in bang for your buck to me.
Regardless of what video card though I tend to prefer MSI as the video card performance between vendors is practically the same and the MSI cards (the red gaming ones, not the yellow hawk/lightning ones) are by far the quietest out of all the vendors. I have heard good things about EVGA warranty/support though. I don't believe EVGA does AMD though if you go that route.
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But I want my gaming computer to be all flashing lights and jet engine noise just like my overpriced and equally unnecessary sports car.
Obviously I have erred and need to ask advice in a proper manly forum and not one populated by nerds with some strange and deep rooted anti-noise prejudice.
Anyway I can't be 100% on this but I'm pretty sure that if the S.E.A.L.S. portrayed in Lone Survivor had run into kids like Rart and not just evil Taliban type ones they would have been more inclined to killing them on the spot instead of showing mercy and foolishly releasing them and things would have turn out a lot better.
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I think this thread would be better if someone went out of their way to offend skiz.
I try but I'm only one man.
