Why Bush Will Lose

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Originally posted by spinningfreemanny+19 August 2004 - 05:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spinningfreemanny &#064; 19 August 2004 - 05:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

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Originally posted by bigboab@18 August 2004 - 22:48
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@18 August 2004 - 01:32
If he wins it would have to be a steal. <_<

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Just like the last time. He has had 4 years to fix it in more states this time. :(

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lol; What the hell, he won fair and square. Can you name the states fixed and how?

Come on people, read up on the electorial college; there were no rules changed. [/b][/quote]
Florida springs to mind. Geryymandering, court rulings, etc. I could be wrong as I only depend on foreign correspondents. Who are all biased one way or an other.

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Originally posted by Rip The Jacker+18 August 2004 - 06:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rip The Jacker @ 18 August 2004 - 06:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Joseph Stalin
It is not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes.

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And with those new computer-voting terminals, there&#39;s no votes to count in a recount. Although I&#39;m not sure how widespread they&#39;ll be for voters in the US. I heard 1 out of every 3 voters will use one on the Seattle news.

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I wasn&#39;t going to post here as i felt that it was kind of provoking as a thread and the reasons were more opinions than facts.

As the election draws closer i find myself drawing the opinion that the 2 viable candidates running are not really the sort of great men that we would ideally like to see as the president of the USA.
It may just be my opinion but i see this campaign as a shameful display of playground name calling with little effort from either side to make me believe that they will do anything other than pay lip service to the needs of the job.
I don&#39;t want to hear Bush telling me that kerry will do this badly...i want to here Bush telling me what he will do. The same goes in reverse. I don&#39;t want to hear kerry telling me that Bush made a mess of things...I want to hear what he will do to put things right.

I hope bush loses..i really do because i genuinely feel he doesn&#39;t deserve another go... but kerry hasn&#39;t convinced me he would do better..... so if i was a betting man i wouldn&#39;t put money on either man

look at Florida&#39;s districts; they look pretty fair to me considering the weird shape of the states. Florida&#39;s congress is pretty mixed; The idea of gerrymandering is just some reason grabbed from thin air.

The courts only defended the result, If anything I think the Dems wanted the court to somehow change the election results; or maybe suddenly throw away the electorial college.

It just recurred to me:

Google the "great man theory" and do a bit of reading.

Very informative, in a "time and place" way.

I&#39;ve always been a huge fan of Sir Winnie. :)

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Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@19 August 2004 - 21:34
look at Florida&#39;s districts; they look pretty fair to me considering the weird shape of the states. Florida&#39;s congress is pretty mixed; The idea of gerrymandering is just some reason grabbed from thin air.

The courts only defended the result, If anything I think the Dems wanted the court to somehow change the election results; or maybe suddenly throw away the electorial college.

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Bullshit&#33;

Florida was NOT fair in any respect - a woman working for the Bush campaign was in charge of kicking convicted felons off the voting role, and just to be on the safe side she removed people with similar names or the same birthdates as the nasty criminals. She also had lists of felons imported from other states, of which Texas (suprise, suprise) was a big contributor. Thousands of black voters, who traditionally vote Democrat were not allowed to vote bacause they may have been a convicted criminal.

The postal vote scam was another tactic: When it became obvious that it was going to be a close election, the Bush campaign started calling up soldiers based overseas asking them to vote for Bush and to send their votes in by post. Many were not registered to vote, voted AFTER the closeing date for postal vote (and didn&#39;t even bother to back date them) and some voted twice and got both votes counted.

Two of the Florida court judges had conflicts of interest, i.e. they or their wives had worked for the Republican party.

The whole thing was a farce. The districts may be of equal size (but the old, broken voting machines somehow ended up in the stong Democrat areas) but the point is that Bush&#39;s people rigged the election. The rightwing Justice Scalia even said:

"The counting of votes that are of questionable legality does, in my view, threaten irreparable harm to petitioner (i.e. Bush), and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election."

Which means if we count all the votes and it turns out that Gore got the most, Bush will look like a fraud. Gee, REALLY? If he didn&#39;t win of course he isn&#39;t the "legitimate" President.

It&#39;s not just "grabbed from thin air", it happened and a lot of people are petty pissed about it.

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Originally posted by Alex H+20 August 2004 - 02:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alex H @ 20 August 2004 - 02:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-spinningfreemanny@19 August 2004 - 21:34
look at Florida&#39;s districts; they look pretty fair to me considering the weird shape of the states. Florida&#39;s congress is pretty mixed; The idea of gerrymandering is just some reason grabbed from thin air.

The courts only defended the result, If anything I think the Dems wanted the court to somehow change the election results; or maybe suddenly throw away the electorial college.

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Bullshit&#33;

Florida was NOT fair in any respect - a woman working for the Bush campaign was in charge of kicking convicted felons off the voting role, and just to be on the safe side she removed people with similar names or the same birthdates as the nasty criminals. She also had lists of felons imported from other states, of which Texas (suprise, suprise) was a big contributor. Thousands of black voters, who traditionally vote Democrat were not allowed to vote bacause they may have been a convicted criminal.

The postal vote scam was another tactic: When it became obvious that it was going to be a close election, the Bush campaign started calling up soldiers based overseas asking them to vote for Bush and to send their votes in by post. Many were not registered to vote, voted AFTER the closeing date for postal vote (and didn&#39;t even bother to back date them) and some voted twice and got both votes counted.

Two of the Florida court judges had conflicts of interest, i.e. they or their wives had worked for the Republican party.

The whole thing was a farce. The districts may be of equal size (but the old, broken voting machines somehow ended up in the stong Democrat areas) but the point is that Bush&#39;s people rigged the election. The rightwing Justice Scalia even said:

"The counting of votes that are of questionable legality does, in my view, threaten irreparable harm to petitioner (i.e. Bush), and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election."

Which means if we count all the votes and it turns out that Gore got the most, Bush will look like a fraud. Gee, REALLY? If he didn&#39;t win of course he isn&#39;t the "legitimate" President.

It&#39;s not just "grabbed from thin air", it happened and a lot of people are petty pissed about it. [/b][/quote]
I couldn&#39;t have said it better myself&#33; I echo your sentiments completely. :)

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Originally posted by Alex H@19 August 2004 - 18:06
Bullshit&#33;

Florida was NOT fair in any respect - a woman working for the Bush campaign was in charge of kicking convicted felons off the voting role, and just to be on the safe side she removed people with similar names or the same birthdates as the nasty criminals. She also had lists of felons imported from other states, of which Texas (suprise, suprise) was a big contributor. Thousands of black voters, who traditionally vote Democrat were not allowed to vote bacause they may have been a convicted criminal.

The postal vote scam was another tactic: When it became obvious that it was going to be a close election, the Bush campaign started calling up soldiers based overseas asking them to vote for Bush and to send their votes in by post. Many were not registered to vote, voted AFTER the closeing date for postal vote (and didn&#39;t even bother to back date them) and some voted twice and got both votes counted.

Two of the Florida court judges had conflicts of interest, i.e. they or their wives had worked for the Republican party.

The whole thing was a farce. The districts may be of equal size (but the old, broken voting machines somehow ended up in the stong Democrat areas) but the point is that Bush&#39;s people rigged the election. The rightwing Justice Scalia even said:

"The counting of votes that are of questionable legality does, in my view, threaten irreparable harm to petitioner (i.e. Bush), and to the country, by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election."

Which means if we count all the votes and it turns out that Gore got the most, Bush will look like a fraud. Gee, REALLY? If he didn&#39;t win of course he isn&#39;t the "legitimate" President.

It&#39;s not just "grabbed from thin air", it happened and a lot of people are petty pissed about it.

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Well put, great post. :D

You know i believe that everyone that is a citizen of the country should have the right to vote having attained the age of majority...even convicted fellons after they have served their sentence or are released on parole for a period of time without incident...but not before.

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Originally posted by Alex H@20 August 2004 - 02:06

Bullshit&#33;

Florida was NOT fair in any respect - a woman working for the Bush campaign was in charge of kicking convicted felons off the voting role, and just to be on the safe side she removed people with similar names or the same birthdates as the nasty criminals. She also had lists of felons imported from other states, of which Texas (suprise, suprise) was a big contributor. Thousands of black voters, who traditionally vote Democrat were not allowed to vote bacause they may have been a convicted criminal.

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And the company that removed all those 1000&#39;s of names for no reason other than they were black, is the main comapny supplying the new computerized polling booths to 1 in 4 of the electorate in the USA for the Presidential Elections this year.

The company makes huge donations to the Republican Party, and the CEO has already said he will "deliver" States to Bush.

The machines have no paper trail, and no official authority has access to the software... in fact, the software has been known to be "updated" AFTER the machines have been installed and checked by State Officials.

They are also open to hacking, due to the "auto update" feature of the software refered to above.


Face it... Until such a time as a Democrat Landslide, where fixing will be bloody obvious because of exit Polls...

The USA is close to no longer being a Democracy at the Federal Level, although many States still are, in my humble opinion.