Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
I dont, im serious.
At the moment, people vote for cakes and circus's... they want better services and less taxes, and the parties try and promise this.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.. Making it so that the Right to Vote isnt free, but can be achieved by ANYONE over their majority, with a bit of time and effort... could actually be a good idea.
Military Service, or some sort of Community Service for a year or two... something that makes them have to sweat with no thanks... may be the way to go.
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I would add... make it so that you cant run for office unless you have the right to vote. May make the politicians that little bit slower to go to war..
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
What about disabled people.
What about the lad that had to leave school at 16 to get a full time job that can't spare the time to do some form of community serive cause he is too busy looking after his alcoholic mother and three younger siblings.
Do you deserve to vote more then them.
Please feel free to pre-empt and consider what my reasons might be to counter your post as to why this is totally unworkable before your next hit enter. I thank you.
If I sound condescending it is because I mean to, people who think they somehow have more right to vote than some other individual because they watch Newsnight deserve it :)
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
I delibrately said that it did not have to be Military Service.
There are plenty of Jobs that can be done by the Disabled, and there is an arguement that someone looking after his Alcoholic Parent and siblings is DOING a service. If he/she wasnt there, then it would cost a lot more for the State to look after them.
At least it would be recognised this way :P
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
So it has to be a 1-2 year 'thing' that can be done by disabled people, of all denominations.
Hmmm, that's a fairly narrow scope. I mean it really is. What about quadroplegics.
Or should we just say fuck it and give ALL disabled people exemption from this 'thing'
Nope, that's positive discrimination, can't have that.
It's got to be the same thing for all too, you cant have one person clicking a mouse button in a warm office and another picking up litter to earn their vote, that's just unfair. There seem to be problems abound.
As to the lad getting exempted for having a tough time of it; who decides that. What if some other bloke decides that he can exploit this loophole by tailoring his circumstance. He may get a lawyer to ensure he also gets this preferential treatment.
Rich folk can afford better lawyers therefore they will be able to 'dodge the draft' (as it were) more easily that poorer people.
Oh dear. Let's just make it so everyone can vote provided they're a resident, shall we.
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
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Originally Posted by manker
So it has to be a 1-2 year 'thing' that can be done by disabled people, of all denominations.
Hmmm, that's a fairly narrow scope. I mean it really is. What about quadroplegics.
Or should we just say fuck it and give ALL disabled people exemption from this 'thing'
Nope, that's positive discrimination, can't have that.
It's got to be the same thing for all too, you cant have one person clicking a mouse button in a warm office and another picking up litter to earn their vote, that's just unfair. There seem to be problems abound.
As to the lad getting exempted for having a tough time of it; who decides that. What if some other bloke decides that he can exploit this loophole by tailoring his circumstance. He may get a lawyer to ensure he also gets this preferential treatment.
Rich folk can afford better lawyers therefore they will be able to 'dodge the draft' (as it were) more easily that poorer people.
Oh dear. Let's just make it so everyone can vote provided they're a resident, shall we.
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Even the kids in Nursery?
How about the ones in Nursing Homes with Dimensia? Who votes for them? How do you know thats what they want?
There IS no perfect system, we all know that...
Making it for Landowners or the Rich is plain wrong...
I just want to weed out the idiots that dont take their Right to Vote seriously... :P
Democracy is the way that you say that the Majority is right..
Autocracy is the way that you say that one man is right...
Tell me, who decides?
I believe in Democracy, however I also believe its being Diluted by people that believe in nothing and want Services AND Tax Cuts... or dont even listen to the issues, and follow a party because they always have.
There has to be a better way.. and i dont mean being ruled by the Intellectuals, or the Rich, or Corporations...
Even limiting the vote to those that are willing to earn it.. in whatever way (There is things that can be done by ANYONE..hell it doesnt even have to be useful).. at least it means that only those that give a fuck will vote :P
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
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Even the kids in Nursery?
How about the ones in Nursing Homes with Dimensia? Who votes for them? How do you know thats what they want?
There IS no perfect system, we all know that...
Making it for Landowners or the Rich is plain wrong...
I just want to weed out the idiots that dont take their Right to Vote seriously... :P
Democracy is the way that you say that the Majority is right..
Autocracy is the way that you say that one man is right...
Tell me, who decides?
I believe in Democracy, however I also believe its being Diluted by people that believe in nothing and want Services AND Tax Cuts... or dont even listen to the issues, and follow a party because they always have.
There has to be a better way.. and i dont mean being ruled by the Intellectuals, or the Rich, or Corporations...
Even limiting the vote to those that are willing to earn it.. in whatever way (There is things that can be done by ANYONE..hell it doesnt even have to be useful).. at least it means that only those that give a fuck will vote :P
Not children in nursery. Did you really think I meant minors, or is that a bit of bluster.
You haven't suggested a single way that you can weed out the 'undesirables'. If you do then I will explain why it can not work.
I can understand that you feel superior to those that do not follow politics because you watch the News instead of Emmerdale at 7pm, but who is to say that the sources from which you derive information are not corrupting your own decision with disinformation more than someone who voted Hague because it was in her tea leaves.
There is no perfect system - you said it - so don't try to create one. Instead work on not trying to deny anyone their right that was so hard earned by our forefathers.
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
I believe in Democracy, however I also believe its being Diluted by people that believe in nothing and want Services AND Tax Cuts... or dont even listen to the issues, and follow a party because they always have.
I would like to know why you feel that being made to earn the vote would change this? Many countries have mandatory service, yet people in those countries still do exactly the things you point to.
No system is perfect however the way it's done is as good as it can get if one wants democracy....everyone over the age of majority is entitled to vote.
If they choose to blindly vote that is their choice, for good or bad
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
yep
national security would be upped
and im a cannon fodder any way :P
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
Vidcc, compulsary wouldnt meant zit...
It would have to be VOLUNTARY...
They'd only be doing it coz they WANT to vote.
I dont care if they count paperclips... just something.
Re: Mandatory military service to vote?
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
Vidcc, compulsary wouldnt meant zit...
It would have to be VOLUNTARY...
They'd only be doing it coz they WANT to vote.
I dont care if they count paperclips... just something.
Ok look at the USA we have a voluntary military....not all but many of those veterans vote blindly for the candidate of a particular party.
many Vets in the Uk do as you pointed out happens today.... they want less tax and more services...it's human nature and i don't see why that would change if they had to earn the right to vote.
In my first post i said anyone that hasn't earn't the right to vote should be tax exempt...any thoughts on that? ..because in paying tax they are buying the right to vote are they not?
