more importantly, when can we start arresting women who miscarry, for criminal neglect and manslaughter? they've been getting away with it for far too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
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more importantly, when can we start arresting women who miscarry, for criminal neglect and manslaughter? they've been getting away with it for far too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
...and there are tons of ways to purposely miscarry. :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
"You stand there and I will lightly.....kick you down the steps."
That's another debate as to when an egg becomes a living childQuote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
.......that is linked to what liberties one has.....Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc
my point is it's a different debate as to what will happen socially in the usa if roe was repealed to the debate about when life begins...and ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Could you tell me who is obliged to get an abortion under R.V.W? This bit confuses me.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
If the people of those states are all against abortion why are abortions taking place there?
i reckon that if it came down to this, then we'd see a fair number of "women of minority opinion" (so to speak) promptly move to states that have voted to allow abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
that's in response to "what would the effects be, socially?" a sudden decrease in the female populations of anti-abortion states. impossible to say for sure, how much of a decrease it would be... but it makes sense to me, that SOME would feel strongly enough about the issue to move to a different state.
or, well... how does this work, as far as one state's treatment of another state's fetus? can people just drive across the state line, get an abortion, and come home? will they be arrested upon returning, because the fetus was under the jurisdiction of the state where the woman claims residence? or will the abortionist need to check and make sure the fetus isn't from an anti-abortion state? :unsure:
if states don't claim jurisdiction over resident fetuses, then it wouldn't seem there's very much being dictated to anyone, aside from "sorry, you can't do that in this state, but you can go to Nevada and do it..."
Maybe an abortion "Las Vegas" will spring up in some God-forsaken desert somewhere, with hotels, casinos, wedding chapels and abortion clinics?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC
I wasn't being disingenuous I was posing simplistic argument. I am well aware you believe roe was wrongly decided and that you think it should be up to a "local vote" as to how people run their private lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
It appears your answer is that abortions take place because they are "allowed" and not because there is a "demand".
you conveniently removed the bit that went with it
A woman getting an abortion in your state is not infringing on your liberties, in fact you wouldn't even know it happened unless you stand outside the clinic taking names and medical records. So to me your disapproval should be only that. If people were being forced to have abortions it would be a different matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by me
Its a medical matter and as such no business of anyone but the patient and doctor.
I realise you may raise the issue of state laws protecting unborn children but then that will be a different debate as I already pointed out about when life begins and ends.
Your opinion is that roe was wrongly (by 7-2) decided.... my opinion is that it was correct.
Checkmate.Quote:
Originally Posted by vidcc