Jewish settlers leaving the Gaza strip?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.

---

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:

---

:lol:

If we do can we burn it.

Had some of the best quality food I have ever had whilst in the US......and also some of the worst.. :lol:



edit: Ooops naughty me off topic......

I actually think it is the right thing to move the settlers and give this land back to the Palestinians. This should have been done a long time ago. I do not however hold out much hope for greater peace in the region whilst Israel are the greater 'western' power, and their position is seen as untenable by their neighbours.

As usual, compromise on all sides is the most needed and least likely solution.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by j2k4

If some entity with a rooting interest in Palestinian dominance cares to, let them provide entree to whatever is necessary for them to take the land by force, just like we've done for Israel.

---

Careful kev, that can be construed as anti-semetic.

Mentioning that Israel has the land by right of arms, without the necessary right of God... :rolleyes:

That implies that Israel is the agressor..can't have that now :P

---

We can have anything we like, if we'll only pay the price.

Just so, though-

If Israel is popularly seen as the aggressor, then what harm leveling the playing field, eh?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sara

As usual, compromise on all sides is the most needed and least likely solution.

---

I could not agree more.

Tho' I would change that to "only solution", kind of making a mockery of my first sentence.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Busyman

Bullshit.

You made assumptions that were wrong.

Nice try to save it though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The quotes and the make up of the sentence after the word "military".....screwed it up for ya.

I have not been J'ismed. :snooty:

---

The sad thing is that you probably believe that.

You suggested that becoming more like the USA was something that the EU may wish to do.

It really isn't.

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.

---

You are shit at reading unless it's headlines.
Your entire post was meaningless (at least in regards to an actual response to me) simply because I never said that the EU aspires to anything. SO WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

You made something nonexistent a segway for you to make a couple post to trash talk your some of your perceived faults of my country.

I don't know what "I'm alright Jack" means.

....I'll just regard your post as a jab at my country and not an actual response to anything I've said...

Who marvels at films as being culturally significant? The entire country? You are reading headlines.

Athletes get scholarships, folks high in academia get scholarships. You are reading headlines.

How do you know the reason we don't have universal healthcare is because of weapons? Ya don't. To say that we have a big military = no universal care...doesn't cut it.

If someone that is good at thinking has to get low paying job, it juuuuust might be how shit goes sometimes and even further from that, it might of that persons own actions or inaction.

I'm pretty sure your country has some similar problems and it saddens me that you think it USA exclusive.

BM,

The UK is the 9th in the Social Change index, USA is 10th (This is the ease of which one can move from "poor" to "rich") among the Western Nations.

Our NHS, is beaten by most of Europe at the moment.

The USA is the only country we can say "We're better than you" in these respects at the moment.

Its only natural for us to aim at a bloody big target, when we're already beaten by just about every other player. Dont take it personally. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

BM,

The UK is the 9th in the Social Change index, USA is 10th (This is the ease of which one can move from "poor" to "rich") among the Western Nations.

Our NHS, is beaten by most of Europe at the moment.

The USA is the only country we can say "We're better than you" in these respects at the moment.

Its only natural for us to aim at a bloody big target, when we're already beaten by just about every other player. Dont take it personally. ;)

---

Oh it's not personal. It's yet another obvious jab at America which, as a response in the context of my posts, came from nowhere.

Besides that, I didn't say FUCK YOU, FUCK BOTH A YOU...now did I? :D

I know that people jab at America because it's a "big target". I wonder do they know it or are they fooling themselves? Pointing out a tid bit about our athletes getting scholarships to college and leaving out the many smart folk that do is textbook bullshit.

Most folk over here that are not mindless know the problem with this country and it starts with the leadership elite and the numerous sheep that follow them.

...and then there are some that ignore the problem to buy the newest BMW 7-series.

Tbh, I rather our country tighten our borders and stay the fuck out of everyone's affairs. We are separated by water from most of the shit over in Eurasia and Africa anyway. If a country gets into trouble, they should deal with it on their own. Ask for help...fuck off. Right?

The problem is it gets sticky in the nuclear age.

If you've got a country in Europe or anywhere with a piss ant military then the more agressive military power can swallow them. Next thing you know, years later, missiles are raining down over here.

Nevertheless, we should mind our own unless it's a direct confrontation against America.

As JP noted, America seems to have unique problems, like basketball scholarships, to take care of.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.

---

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:

---

Sure...here goes.

Rip open the plastic the meat is in and take out a handful of ground beef.

Form into patty. Season as necessary. Worsterstershirster sauce, salt, peppa, onion, bread, egg, whateverthefuck.

Cook

Eat.

It's funny hearing our food referred to by country. You should look at it by state. This country is too big and diverse.

Mexican
Tex-Mex
French
Italian
Chinese
Japanese
Pollo Rico
Southern

and of course

Red Lobster (among many others) :P

http://www.redlobster.com/i/discover...age_200503.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:

---

:lol:

If we do can we burn it.

---

Only if you hop in the flame with it.

Otherwise, no. We have our dignity and whatnot. :snooty:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

---

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

---

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

---

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Busyman

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:

---

Sure...here goes.

Rip open the plastic the meat is in and take out a handful of ground beef.

Form into patty. Season as necessary. Worsterstershirster sauce, salt, peppa, onion, bread, egg, whateverthefuck.

Cook

Eat.

It's funny hearing our food referred to by country. You should look at it by state. This country is too big and diverse.

Mexican
Tex-Mex
French
Italian
Chinese
Japanese
Pollo Rico
Southern

and of course

Red Lobster (among many others) :P

http://www.redlobster.com/i/discover...age_200503.jpg

---

On the other hand, in America we have no Gaza Strip, and no Jews leaving one.

Life is so ironic sometimes... :huh:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by j2k4

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

---

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

---

Quite so, it just struck me as amusing that someone would highlight bad spelling using bad grammar.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by j2k4

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

---

Quite so, it just struck me as amusing that someone would highlight bad spelling using bad grammar.

---

...and back to you, JPaul...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

---

Does this sentence make sense? Is Are there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

---

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Does this sentence make sense? Is Are there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

---

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

---

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

---

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.

---

:lol: :lol: :lol:

As they say....PWNED!!!!

Omg! Really!!1

Check the font tags:

link.

I felt like a spot fishing for grammaticasting tiddlers. Thanks for indulging me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Omg! Really!!1

Check the font tags:

link.

I felt like a spot fishing for grammaticasting tiddlers. Thanks for indulging me.

---

It reeeeally doesn't matta with the......

"Haha You're wrong (but you're really right)"

Man you got both of us. :ermm: Maybe you can stick a disclaimer in every one of yer pawsts for teh backtracking. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are still pwned.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

---

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.

---

mankers answer:
"I really knew the really propa grammarspellingdoohicky haha!!1! I got you. It's so funny. I just wanted you to call me a smartarse!!!1! :lol: :lol: :lol: "


Good one mank. :lol: :lol:

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.

In reply to the original question I think the distinction between RIGHT and WRONG is a very fuzzy one.

For anyone to have to leave their home and their life must be both traumatic and upsetting. Despite the political reasons behind everything that happens in Palastine/Israel I can't help but feel for the individuals who simply what to live their lives, raise their children and practice whichever religion it is that takes their fancy (I don't follow any religion BTW). Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians and yes evil deeds have been done but I suspect that if it wasn't for extremists on both sides (and by 'extremists' I include certain political figures) I think that REAL people who live their lives by moral - not necessarily religious - standards would be happy to share their communities with each other for the benefit of all.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.

---

Phone your mum and tell her, she'll believe you. :lol:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.

---

It's quite alright mank.

You got your response indeed. :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

No reflection on you.

---

Is BM a vampire then? :unsure:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by manker

No reflection on you.

---

Is BM a vampire then? :unsure:

---

Of course silly. That's why I work in the daytime and whatnot. :ermm:

I thought we had an agreement you backstabber. You will pay for outing me in blood.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brenda

Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians...

---

Just for the record, what is your politically correct opinion on the land stretching from the atlantic to the pacific that was previously occupied by many peoples who would later become known as "indians" because some dumbass thought he landed in pacifica?

But because it doesn't involve jews, it just doesn't interest you, does it?

Back in the day, man spent his time hunting and fishing, gathering food to feed his family, protecting himself and his family/tribe from harm.

With the advent of true "civilization" he now has way too much free time, and this is how he spends it, trying to keep track of who owns what land and how much he should get, and so on.

So much energy spent on trying to make things appear well, and not enough on things that count. Like advances in medicine, more focus on education, the growing threat of nuclear war, pollution, ect...

edit:added a brief on some more injustices

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brenda

Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians...

---

Just for the record, what is your politically correct opinion on the land stretching from the atlantic to the pacific that was previously occupied by many peoples who would later become known as "indians" because some dumbass thought he landed in pacifica?
...

---

What does this have to do with Israel\Palestine? To say every country should give land back they occupied over the last thousands of years is to say that stealing land is lawful and justified, when in fact it's neither. At the end of WW2 an organisation of sovereign nations was put together to deal with disputes of this sort, Israel was a signatory, thereby accepting the rules. But, in typical fashion, they want these rules obeyed by everyone else except themselves. They should get the fuck out, they know it, and the rest of the world knows it.

With this many people in the world, and with enough time, no nation would respect true borders forever.

And also what my post has to do with the current conflict is this, it's not actually a question of land being stolen, and that is why i posted that. it's a matter of certain people, like you for instance, feeling that israel just plain does not have a right to exist, anywhere. it is not possible, that i know of, to read someone's mind. so right now, whypikonme, why don't you close your eyes and imagine all the jewish people in the world living on an artificial island in the ocean. would you be happy then? only you know the answer.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

And also what my post has to do with the current conflict is this, it's not actually a question of land being stolen, and that is why i posted that. it's a matter of certain people, like you for instance, feeling that israel just plain does not have a right to exist, anywhere. it is not possible, that i know of, to read someone's mind. so right now, whypikonme, why don't you close your eyes and imagine all the jewish people in the world living on an artificial island in the ocean. would you be happy then? only you know the answer.

---

Don't put words in my mouth!

Israel can exist as far as l'm concerned, within the 1967 borders. According to the Geneva Convention, any land occupied during an armed conflict is not to be annexed, and the welfare of it's people becomes the responsibility of the occupying nation, Israel has failed miserably on both counts.

It's people like you who believe Israel has a right to exist anywhere they choose that are prolonging this saga.

It's not me you have to convince, so relax, I have no idea how you really feel about this, and have no way to tell. For the question of where should they exist, I believe both of those nations would do well to share the land with each other, and co-exist, because the alternatives are bleak. It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

---

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions. Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left? More than 30% of Israelis hold dual nationality, they have somewhere else to live but they choose to live on stolen land, why should anyone feel sorry for them. Get the fuck out of the occupied territories.

Even though the Israelis have removed the settlers from Gaza, they are far from leaving altogether, they will retain control of all the borders, including the border between Gaza and Egypt. They will retain control over the coastline of Gaza, as well as the airspace.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.

---

The fact of U.N. resolutions into the bargain is reason enough to ignore them.

Until the U.N. limits itself to it's chartered activities and does a thorough house-cleaning, screw it's resolutions; nobody else abides by them, why should Israel?

Every country acts in it's own-interests, or to the detriment of a select few.

The U.N. has hosted anti-Semitic orgies of rhetoric in the past few years, and frankly, I don't recall hearing of any similar blanket denunciations of, say, Islam, during the same period, so fuck 'em.

I advocate pushing the whole shebang right into Turtle Bay, just like they solidly back those who wish to push the Israelis into the Red Sea.

Just my opinion, of course. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by j2k4

Just my opinion, of course. :)

---

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by j2k4

Just my opinion, of course. :)

---

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

---

One week they bitch about not embracing the UN, next week they bitch about enforcing UN resolutions....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by whypikonme

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.

---

If it makes you happy to hear it, YES, I SUPPORT ISRAEL FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE AND NO MATTER HOW IMPARTIAL I TRY TO BE, I DO IDENTIFY WITH THEM AND FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE THINGS THEY DO. This, however, does not mean I am pleased with all the things they do, and that I approve of all of them. Maybe you want some examples. I do approve of the west bank pullout, I don't approve of ariel sharon being prime minister, ehud olmert would be a stronger leader, I do approve of closer ties with Israel's arab neighbors, and I don't approve of fighting the animalistic tactics of hamas(sucide bombings) with "set-ups" made to look like a sucide bomber accidentally blew himself up while making a bomb.

quote:Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left?

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn. Hopefully the gaza pullout will improve the chances of peace.

Last but not least, I have a movie recommendation for you, if you can put up with black and white. The movie is called "broken arrow" and stars James Stewart, it is an old western movie, but you'll find that the message is timeless.

Don't tear into me too hard now, I don't know if I can log on tommorrow:)(i had to drive all the way across the city to send this one).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MediaSlayer

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn.

---

The price of peace has been known for decades, withdrawal to the 1967 borders. Israel has no desire for peace or they would never have allowed settlements in the occupied territories.

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JPaul

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

---

So give us your ideas, O wise one.