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Such is life Clocker our hopes and dreams are what keep us going,take yourself you are always pushing the boundrys of what is possible,if we don't dream we don't strive to better things,I started my computing with a ZX81,there was no way I could concieve I would have a machine like I have now way back then,yet I still strive for the best on a limited budget,such is life ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by clocker
well as depressingly true as that is. i have all intentions of making a machine, it would be nice to have it around october, but logically it'll be later. either way, you were another voice that convinced me of the power amd has to offer.
If you would kindly notify Mary at AMD Partner Disbursement my commission check will be expedited.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApacNTS
Thanks in advance.
as of now i've pretty locked down my cpu, cddrive, harddrive, ram, and such, yet to buy. mobo and case will have to be sorted after my next problem.
which card should i consider actually buying that would give good performance.
the x800/50 or the GeForce 6800. considering these cards are around 200 on ebay it's not quite so bad.
if you have another choice that's around that pricerange or even a little over, feel free to drop it on me. given up the cheap system tactics. even my friend told me to wait and build something of quality instead being stupid and hating the end result.
I really recommend 1gb ram. Once you have a gig, you won't need to worry about it anymore...Windows will "rarely" run out, so you'll never see those intense laggs.
Agree'd 1GB is such an improvement over 512mb and 2GB atm isn't really needed unless you're doing massive ammounts of video editing and game playing at the same time.
yeah i see that, had already factored that in, i mean 1gb for around $60 or so is worth every penny :D.
That doesn't sound right. In the UK $60 is about £30 and you can just about get a shit budget stick of 512 for that. So i'd check out reviews before buying as it might be cheap unbranded budget shit.
hmmm looks like your right. must have been thinking about another type of ram from before. let me ask you, do you think it's necessary to have a heat spreader on a stick of ram for gaming? or would it be fine without it?
I've never needed one, thought about getting one last time i made an Ebuyer order but they didn't have the one i wanted in stock. To be honest i doubt it really does massive ammounts of difference and im sure it's just for show. Certainly not needed but if you've got a nice case with a side panel and stuff an extra £5 to make your ram look nice and maybe cool them down a few degree's won't break the bank.
settles that then, thanks.
Gskill, makers of some of the highest performing RAM available, do not use heatspreaders at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApacNTS
I have seen screenshots of bare sticks clocked to DDR690 speeds.
Must mean something.
well that's good to hear. after awhile i began to think that everything needed some type of cooling.
with 95% of my system picked out i thought i'd ask for impressions or if i simply missed something. i tried my best to stay within my budget, at the same time not bottleneck my pc to hell.
CPU
RAM
MOBO
CDROM
Case
HardDrive
lack of a video card because theres no money for it, and i cant decide what to go with. primarily i'd like a card around $100-$120, at the same time, i'd like it to run games like World of Warcraft, F.E.A.R., CS:Source, Battlefield 2 decently, by no means do i expect to marvel at them, but medium settings would be nice, also i never go above 1024x768. suggestions are welcome, i'd love a 6800gt, heard the 9800xt had problems, it was cut off the list, 6600 looked promising then i saw it was rather slow and feared it.
You would be better advised getting a PCI-Express motherboard and matching graphics card. The mobo will probably be slightly more, the graphics card slightly less than its AGP equivalent so it balances out.
Here's one which is only $4.50 more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186052
The other thing is that all these boards are capable of handling dual channel memory (actaully, it it built in to the CPU). If you don't intend getting more memory later it is probably a better idea to get 2x256MB rather than a single 512MB stick.
Personally, I'd get a DVD writer rather than a CDRom drive, but at the very least you should spend another $5 and get a CD writer.
Everyone is going to say things about that case. Probably not a lot wrong with the case itself, but you should remember that at that price they are virtually giving the PSU away. If it is almost free you can't expect any quality, and there won't be. It almost certainly only has a 20-pin mobo connector too. Better to get a cheaper case without a PSU and buy a decent (24-pin) PSU separately, rather than risk the rest of your investment on such a cheap component.
Still, your choice of HDD and CPU are fine.
The 6600 may have been described as slow, but compared to what? And which model? The 6600GT is fine.
about the cdrom, see i have another computer that has a cdrw drive already in it. since someone else built it i dont have w/e cd came with it, so im not sure if i need drivers off it or what. is it possible to use that drive, will winxp have drivers to run the burner? if so that'd help tremendously.
edit: forgot to mention it's an LG model cd burner.
Yes, it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApacNTS
saves me 20 bucks :D. thanks.
Yesterday 08:53 PM
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"Better to get a cheaper case without a PSU and buy a decent (24-pin) PSU separately, rather than risk the rest of your investment on such a cheap component."
Correct, Antec, Enermax, Vantec, PC Power & Cooling & a couple (literally) more brands. Or you're throwing your money away.
finding a "cheap" case is part of the problem im facing now. my main worry with the case is the temp. i really fear im gonna get my system put together go to game and it melt to hell.
looking for 2 fans the price is decent, but the cases are horrible looking. the best case i found which is about $61 w/shipping, the CoolerMaster, 1 80mm 1 120mm fan. still i fear overheating. price is steaper than i originally thought, good deal i know, but budget is tight, then add $20-$30 for psu.
saddest part is, only 95% of the computer will be built by the end of october if im lucky, the graphics card will be another 2 months out :(
cost effective version was around $490 with everything. easier said then done.
Don't buy anything untill you can buy it all. There's no point in having a system built without a graphics card while the prices are constantly dropping.
Your fear of overheating with a 90nm Athlon 64 is unwarranted. They run really cool.
would a single fan keep the system cool enough? part of the appeal of amd was how everyone raves of their cooler temps and higher performance. being my first build i dont wanna screw up royally.
Without overclocking, 1 exhaust case fan as well as the exhaust fan(s) from the power supply will be sufficient. Your graphics card is likely to produce more heat than the CPU.
Just be sure that air has a clear passage to get into the case.
Here is a possible case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811129150
- A fairly well built case with rubber mounts for HDD and 120mm exhaust fan.
- Antec 350w SmartPower PSU with 24-pin power connector.
$65.
Hey guys.. i was wondering.. will An Nvidia graphics card FX6600, for pci express motherboard, be able to play fear with adequate performance at a high quality graphics or close to that?
If yes ApacNTS could buy an intel p4 3.0GHZ processor with a good pci xpress mother board and at least 768Ram and just buy the Nvidia 6600.. If the 6600 can play the game, well, it will probably last for 2-3 years right?
With at a pretty good price.. Howerver he has to think about the heating problem... i have to leave the left side of my tower open..
Whats your complete specs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delorean
What do you mean Linkin Park?Quote:
Originally Posted by Linkin Park
What kind of cpu,mobo, ram ect do you have? Need a little more in depth info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delorean
Oh ok..
My pc is:
intel P4 3GHz
Pci xpress motherboard 915D
1024MB Ram
Hard Disk sata 160 Gigs
I'm not sure what mobo is though...
My graphics card is the integraded that came with the motherboard..
Even though is a quite strong hardware it barley plays AOE3 and it doesn't even play a lot of other games.. well what i'm asking is that if an Nvidia Fx6600 can make the big difference and hold me for 2-3 years..
digging up a near extinct thread for an update.
well i've been plugging away at trying to find decent peices and biding my time cause i didnt want to be stupid and just build any old machine. along the way everyone including this board has said to wait it out and be patient, it will pay. im nearly there i only need a little bit more time, with the help of a friend i may get to my goal alot sooner than later.
Components
Cpu
Mobo(already combo'n with cpu)
Case
Ram
HDD
Video Card
any thoughts/suggestions still are helpful. building it will be the real joy :)
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Originally Posted by ApacNTS
Everything except the vid card and cpu gotta change...
MOBO...NO, that's a mobo with integrated graphics, you want a DFI or Asus mobo, either ultra or SLI because you said you wanted a GOOD mobo.
Case: the case is fine, but the PSU that comes with it is shit. Get a proper PSU or you will regret it.
RAM: You said you wanted to play F.E.A.R...512mb of RAM isn't gonna run that game very well. I have 1 gig of ram and FEAR+windows uses about 1.2GB at my peak...so you definitely want 1 gig at the very least.
HDD: 80GB of storage might seem enough for now, but if i were you, i'd get myself a 160GB SATA drive and maybe upgrade later.
i figured the mobo was a weak link, expected some flak on that. the hdd is a temp solution to cut cost a bit, unless i pull a bit more money than i thought. i knew i was already gonna replace the psu, i mean the 7800gt need it's own plug in to the wall basically.
so according to this i need about another $100 to sure up the loose ends. starting to feel the pain of clockers thought process and i havent even built it yet heh, it never ends :D
If you don't need it urgently right now, save up for dual-core, say the X3800. You won't regret it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApacNTS
I'd say can the mobo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApacNTS
I know it's a combo deal, but....
You don't need on-board gfx.
They have the 3500 Venice combo'd with this mobo,
which would be a bit better I would think.
(Nice CPU btw, I have one and it runs smooth.)
Although, if it were me purchasing the system,
I think I'd stay with a board from MSI or Gigabyte,
DFI or Asus if you want to spend a few more bucks.
Single core CPUs have been proven to run games better than dual cores. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedler
And why 160 gigs? If he/she's to upgrade later, then 80 gigs would be just fine for the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seedler
HL2 being the only exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by fkdup74
If you (the person who started the thread) want to plan for the future, I don't think waiting another month or two would hurt you that much, that way get all the decent parts and your set.
Buying a gaming machine isn't something you just want to rush into, it took me 2 and a half years to save up money for my first gaming rig, and I thank god everyday for not going out and buying the comp before I was completely sure, cuz from the point I started plannign to the point I actually bought my first, 2.5 years is a lot of change in the tech world. So many new things came out and I was ready for them all (financially).
Alas, once you're done with your gaming phase, you're gonna regret spending so much money on it, win-lose situation if you ask me.
it's funny you mention how things change. last night i surfed around and was just reading about windows vista and things, i stumbled upon a video that talks about the new direct x 10, and how it's the new way developers are making games look even more amazing. they said vista will launch with a few DX10 games and it wont be backwards compatible, but vista will have DX9 installed as well. the next hitch was for the newer games to be played you need a brand new DX10 video card, which arent even out yet.
of course this all isnt supposed to happen until later this year, but it still reminds me that the pc world is ever growing and changing.
I'm gonna recommend this Patriot RAM one more time and then shut up.
It will significantly outperform the Mushkin for a paltry premium.
As for Vista...
Making a buying decision now based on possible Vista-use in the future is hopeless.
Especially at your budget level.
Personally, it appears that the whole Vista/M2 socket package is going to be a total clusterfuck at release- major cash outlay for dubious performance advantage.
This will change as the platform(s) develop naturally, but trying to be an "early adopter" into this upcoming cycle seems like a bigger risk than usual.
yeah my budget is pretty dead, more than it was when i first started all this mess so long ago. but $850 does carry alot of weight. i may be able to squeeze that ram in, i see no complaints at all which shows it's a great performer. what do you think about the rest of my specs clocker? are they atleast decent enough to not make me think i was a complete idiot for spending so much on it? if all else fails is that offer to rent sprocket still up for sale ? :P