Ho hum, another huge hurricane...

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I do not like Bush, Busy. But I feel I know enough about what we can reasonably expect from local, state and federal governments when. And I don't really want a federal government that charges right in and interferes militarily in states' affairs. The few times they have done this haven't sat well with the states, you know. So yes, there is a protocol. Actually, I would be a lot more concerned about a President that thought he was all powerful that way. And it would be nice if we could pick and choose. Have an all powerful federal government when we want it and not one when we don't want it. There are a lot of issues that need examined here. Locally, State and Federally. I just don't leap to the federal as fast as you do. Heck, I am still pissed that a lot of the levee board's funds were diverted to their plans to build a resort island there. Guess I just don't expect or demand as much from old Bush as you do. :)

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Uh yeah like charging in when the biggest natural disaster hits this country.(oops I said that already). But Oh man, honor that hierarchy and shit!!! :O :ermm:

Again use the noggin'. This ain't a matter of simple interference Evey. Don't compare this to something like a bank robbery or serial killer investigation.....but oh shit, the Feds jump right in there 'cause it's in the manual and warrants the Feds serious attention as opposed to.........a great chunk of a state of the United States under water. :dry:

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Actually I pretty well stand by what I have said. It begins with responsibility for self. And for those neighbors that are unable to be responsible for theirselves---I would find a way to help them. Sorry you don't see it that way. I would no more live below sea level without a boat (even a hand made one from scrap) than I would expect help from a far away federal government. As I said originally.....no government can be prepared for a disaster of this magnitude. So we do what we can to be prepared for it ourselves and to help those who cannot help themselves. To parallel what is going on in Houston to what went on in NO.........I would not spend two thousand dollars given to me to get on my feet in strip bars and designer stores.

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Originally Posted by Everose

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Uh yeah like charging in when the biggest natural disaster hits this country.(oops I said that already). But Oh man, honor that hierarchy and shit!!! :O :ermm:

Again use the noggin'. This ain't a matter of simple interference Evey. Don't compare this to something like a bank robbery or serial killer investigation.....but oh shit, the Feds jump right in there 'cause it's in the manual and warrants the Feds serious attention as opposed to.........a great chunk of a state of the United States under water. :dry:

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Actually I pretty well stand by what I have said. It begins with responsibility for self. And for those neighbors that are unable to be responsible for theirselves---I would find a way to help them. Sorry you don't see it that way. I would no more live below sea level without a boat (even a hand made one from scrap) than I would expect help from a far away federal government. As I said originally.....no government can be prepared for a disaster of this magnitude. So we do what we can to be prepared for it ourselves and to help those who cannot help themselves. To parallel what is going on in Houston to what went on in NO.........I would not spend two thousand dollars given to me to get on my feet in strip bars and designer stores.

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Sighhhhhh Evey, Evey...

I never said I disagreed with responsibility for self. You missed the point.

No matter what......5 FUCKING DAYS.

Whether the victims were prepared or not.

You group all the victims the same and sound like crap when you do it.

You are wrong. PERIOD. I said it before...I wonder if our President thinks like (you and) Hank. It's quite obvious to him this was outta sight outta mind.

No matter what reasons you may sight....complainers in the Astrodome, people could've stolen an SUV, Nagin didn't force folk at gunpoint to get on the buses in a full bus lot.....

It took a full work week. :dry:

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Originally Posted by Everose

I would no more live below sea level without a boat (even a hand made one from scrap) than I would expect help from a far away federal government.

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The reason for the increased size and amount of hurricanes is because of all the global warming in that part of the world.

Bush however will not stop polluting the earth because it would "ruin the American economy".

Much cheaper to rebuild cities :P

The Governor would not give control of the police to the feds for a very good reason apparently.

Hank posted it shortly after the Hurricane struck...

Martial Law is not allowed under the State Laws... so she wasn't legally empowered to give control of the police to the Feds.


Now we cant blame her OR Bush for that little snippet... its something that individual State's will have to take into account and look at in their own systems. A way for all the people doing the work to have one leader so to speak... ie: An ability to have Martial Law imposed.

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Originally Posted by Peerzy

....... is because of all the global warming in that part of the world.

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Wow, I did not know GLOBAL warming was restricted to one part of the world.

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Originally Posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot

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....... is because of all the global warming in that part of the world.

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Wow, I did not know GLOBAL warming was restricted to one part of the world.

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You beat me to it, HMPL.

I think he has "Global Warming" confused with "That Part Of The World Warming" which is a colloquial peculiarity.

I've heard it is geographically coincidental with the location of our President.

Which part of the word is pumping the most hydocarbons into the atmosphere?

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Originally Posted by gripper103.2

Which part of the word is pumping the most hydocarbons into the atmosphere?

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China.

Bet you didn't know that.

Well... since the USA accounts for 25%, then China and the USA between them must account for over half of the emmisions of the entire world... :blink:


I'd disagree..

They probably do contribute the most via power stations, however 40% of the emmisions throughout the world are through vehicles, farm machinery etc..

Not many peasants in China have cars (yet), and not many Farmers there have tractors (yet) :P

That tips the balance a little..

I bet Europe contributes a lot more than China overall... but again, not as much as far as Power Generation is concerned.

Its why its called a global problem , and why the Kyoto Protocol is so important . Why won't the Americans sign it ?

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Well... since the USA accounts for 25%, then China and the USA between them must account for over half of the emmisions of the entire world... :blink:


I'd disagree..

They probably do contribute the most via power stations, however 40% of the emmisions throughout the world are through vehicles, farm machinery etc..

Not many peasants in China have cars (yet), and not many Farmers there have tractors (yet) :P

That tips the balance a little..

I bet Europe contributes a lot more than China overall... but again, not as much as far as Power Generation is concerned.

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I wish we could see our way clear to built afew nuke plants, but the movie The China Syndrome played to the ignorance of Joe six-pack and we're backwards in that department for sure.

Funny though, how China's industrial pollution policies suck donkey-dick, but the problem of global-warming is attributed almost exclusively to American autos.

Funny, too, that Bush has legitimate entree to influence U.S. industrial policy, but very little as to how Americans utilize their cars; the ACLU would jump his shit if he tried to dictate anything along the lines of a fuel-usage restriction-remember:

Government intrusiveness is only bad if a Republican does it.

Funnier yet is the notion that, while global-warming has been round since Al Gore invented it, it has only had the effect of generating horrendous hurricanes since Bush has been in office.

Must be that old phenomenon known as the "Republican Weather-Cycle", huh? :huh:

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Its why its called a global problem , and why the Kyoto Protocol is so important . Why won't the Americans sign it ?

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Just remind me-

Why is Kyoto so important?

What is it you contend that adherence to the protocols will achieve?

Kyoto


Peat.....I have been trying to get through this, but it will take some time. It seems to give a view of various country's position on the agreement, and where the US Government stands. I keep taking side trips, and it is taking forever to get through this. :P

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Originally Posted by Everose

Kyoto


Peat.....I have been trying to get through this, but it will take some time. It seems to give a view of various country's position on the agreement, and where the US Government stands. I keep taking side trips, and it is taking forever to get through this. :P

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Oh, please, please don't wade throught that drivel...you'll only get a rash from it's toxicity-they won't tell you it is poisonous, and absolutely lethal to business and consumerism..

I'd be a liar if I said I understood it all . Anything that the UN has their dirty little hands in I would question . Wish Canada had you two on our team before we signed it because we'll never make the quota either . Its a pipe dream while in theory has merit but how do you police it ?

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Originally Posted by bill maher

evil is not a demon with a tail and horns. That's a Jew. And evil - evil isn't some spectral goblin with red eyes and the voice of Anthony Hopkins. That's Anthony Hopkins.

Is George Bush purely evil? Of course not. And that's what's so evil about him. He doesn't twirl a mustache and smirk and cackle. Well, he doesn't twirl a mustache. He's like the Peanuts character Pigpen. Wherever he goes, he stirs up such a humongous mess it can only be cleaned up by Halliburton. But he is not pure evil.

Because evil is a chain. Did any one person doom New Orleans? No, it's a chain. People vote for a corrupt leader; a corrupt leader puts unqualified cronies in high places, and when those cronies fuck up, evil gets done. The devil didn't fly up from hell and knock a hole in that levee. The levee just didn't get built because the money for it went to rich people's tax cuts and pork projects and corporate welfare.

Evil isn't "Salem's Lot." It's Trent Lott. This week, an ailing American bald eagle was found to be dying from mercury poisoning. Republicans immediately tried to blame it on the eagle's lifestyle choices. But it's worth noting that also this week, the White House threatened to veto limits on mercury pollution. Now, pure evil would be if George Bush sat around the White House saying, "Let's poison eagles!" And even I don't believe George Bush would do that....Cheney would do that.... And even he is not pure evil. Dick Cheney doesn't hate poor children and caribou. They're just in the way.

Bottom line: some people think Satan is real and some people think global warming is real. If you think stopping gays from doing it is more important than the ice caps melting, the boogeyman is you...

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I don't drive,if I need to go anywhwere of a distance I use public transport.
How many of you jump in the car just to travel a mile or less to the shop,or just round the corner.
A decent bicycle and a rucksack can be used quite easily for those little trips,granted if you're doing heavy shopping,by all means use your car,so many people are to fucking lazy.

Yes I did know it was china,hopefully once a few of there city's get struck with smog they will start to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by gripper103.2

Which part of the word is pumping the most hydocarbons into the atmosphere?

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China.

Bet you didn't know that.

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The world's second-largest emitter of greenhouse gases is China.

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I don't drive,if I need to go anywhwere of a distance I use public transport.
How many of you jump in the car just to travel a mile or less to the shop,or just round the corner.
A decent bicycle and a rucksack can be used quite easily for those little trips,granted if you're doing heavy shopping,by all means use your car,so many people are to fucking lazy.

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Now if only the majority of people lived a mile or less from the shop.....

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Which part of the word is pumping the most hydocarbons into the atmosphere?

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Bet you didn't know that.

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In America, heavy gas hogging trucks and SUV's have outsold normal cars for 5 years in a row.

Would be nice if public transportation was available here. We have a senior citizen's bus. :P

Lot of variables in my area. Long distances to get to certain medical care, for instance. Guess if I used my vacation time, I could plan a weeks bicycling time to make a yearly appointment for a physical. :P

Okay, am done with the smart arsing now. :lol: I do live within a three block area of things like our local post office, grocery store, etc. When starting from my home to places like that, I walk.

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Originally Posted by Peerzy

In America, heavy gas hogging trucks and SUV's have outsold normal cars for 5 years in a row.

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How long did it take you to google that?

Funny that you didn't notice the best selling vehicle in the U.K. last year was the Ford F150. Funny you also didn't notice it was the best selling vehicle in the world in 2004. But you wouldn't mention that, now would you?

I didn't need to google for it. It was in the back of my Nuts magazine under the facts section.

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I didn't need to google for it. It was in the back of my Nuts magazine under the facts section.

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You subscribe to a periodical devoted to the subject of testicles? :huh:

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I didn't need to google for it. It was in the back of my Nuts magazine under the facts section.

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You subscribe to a periodical devoted to the subject of testicles? :huh:

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No

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You subscribe to a periodical devoted to the subject of testicles? :huh:

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No

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You mean it's called "Nuts" and it's not about testicles?





















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It's called "Nuts" and it's about boobs!

Makes perfect sense. :D

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Originally Posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot

Funny that you didn't notice the best selling vehicle in the U.K. last year was the Ford F150.

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:lol: :lol: I know, we just can't move for them.

Oh, wait, I think I mean we hardly ever see any. Does that mean that we've stopped selling vehicles over here. :blink:

I suspect you mean that the best selling US import is the Ford F150. But since hardly anyone imports vehicles from the US it doesn't loom that big on our radar.

I'd never even heard of the Ford F150..

And the Uk Ford site doesn't even list it as available in this country...

Great Googling there HMPL :rlleyes:

It turns out that the F150 is so poorly made it is really just a lump of Heavy Metal.

Presumably they are all stuck in a HeavyMetalParkingLot :P

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Funny that you didn't notice the best selling vehicle in the U.K. last year was the Ford F150.

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:lol: :lol: I know, we just can't move for them.

Oh, wait, I think I mean we hardly ever see any. Does that mean that we've stopped selling vehicles over here. :blink:

I suspect you mean that the best selling US import is the Ford F150. But since hardly anyone imports vehicles from the US it doesn't loom that big on our radar.

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I didn't seem to have any problems......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/thisweek/

From the article...

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So, what IS the world's best selling car? Well, the title gives the game away a bit, but still, we think you will agree, it's a bit of a surprise to find out that it's a car you may well never have heard of. But it's also a surprise that the world's favourite car is a Ford. And that it's a pick-up truck.

But what is truly the biggest surprise of all, is that the world's best-selling car is pretty hopeless. Although we do accept that the F150 isn't really made for the UK it's also suffering from a rather large dose of "American build quality". So, basically, the inside looks like it's fashioned out of old melted boots, and none of the trim fits properly.

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HMPL... it isnt the biggest seller here.

Even the article you found admits we probably havent heard of it..

Anyway, back on topic, no word from Hank, who seems likely to have been run over by Rita.

This is not so good... :huh:

Hopefully its just the power being down .

Im sure he's ok...

I hope he's ok :unsure:

How long was he planning to be in France?

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Hopefully its just the power being down .

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Yes, hopefully...

It's that he's a bit further inland than New Orleans, and may have felt a bit too safe, as Rita was supposed to track fairly well west of him.

I know he'd said he'd go if the need arose; he wasn't gonna be one of the stubborn ones, but if events overtook him, I suppose anything could have happened.

I've shot him a PM, and await any response. :huh:

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How long was he planning to be in France?

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Ah.

Totally forgot about that.

He left....hold on-let me look...

Shit, I deleted it, because it contained the word France...

Just got this from Hank-


Still in Pari'. I'm at an internet station checking email an checking on people from home.

Everyone in my family made it through the storm fine, although they all told me that it was very rough.

I'm leaving for the states tomorrow afternoon.

I'll let you know what happened when I get back to the states.

Please excuse any spelling or grammer errors because I have only a certain amout of time on an internet card that I purchased.

Thanks,

Hank