regardless of legal, not legal...
there will always be file sharing....
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regardless of legal, not legal...
there will always be file sharing....
i think it should be legalised under two circumstances that it isnt for intention of profit and it is solely for personal use but if it does become legalised then everyone and i mean everyone will download them and the record companies lose out bigtime AHHHHH DONT KNOW WHICH SIDE TO TAKE
I bet if you had a lawsuit against you, your tune would change.:happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
It's tough call illegal and i run the risk of getting sued...legal and there is less incentive for anyone to make music. Legal I guess and save my ass. But it's alright the way it is anyway I don't see any government deciding copyrigt law is a total crock and abolishing it so it's propably a moot point. :)
For too many years music, movies, games, software ( everything that we cant live without ) has been extreamly overpriced ... i am NOT going to pay $30 (AU) for 25 songs ! Thats why i download ... if music was at a acceptable price for people too buy id be against downloading. Some1 who has the talent has the right to live off it and sell his or her songs :dry:
make it all legal, sorry did i say that
can't say :D
RoFL. what a dumb question. and I suppose applications and movies should just be given away for free as well. THAT would go by well with programmers and movie producers. I'm sure they'd make plenty of money that way.
No, music should not be freely tradeable. if it wasn't legal, it would be available everywhere. hell, i'd host every album I have on my website. dumb question.
Well this is an easy question. Of course it should be legalized but the question that arises is: at what price? or what are going to be the conditions and who is going to assure them...
Stay :cool:
nothing is illegal
must be opem minded lol
The 137 people who voted yes are idiots. Why don't we just make theft/robbery legal while we're at it?
downloading a song here and there shouldn't be illegal, but to download an entire movie or cd is definitely criminal.
I'm all for filesharing, it's equivalent to the digital form of recording to a reel-to-reel or cassette tape, but with the crap that they put out now a days, I only d/l maybe one or two songs, hard to find oldies and a slew of remixes that are done underground.
I've never downloaded any movies because I believe that is different than the music. There was a lot of time and effort gone into the production of the movie, but that's only my opinion.
If they brought back the CD singles or had more of a variety of airplay on the radio stations instead of beating us to death with the same song forever, then more people would actually purchase the music. This is why James Blunt's song was banned from a U.K. station because people thought that was all he was about. He's more than that and I feel sorry for him because they don't show more of him or any other artist for that matter.
In the good old days, it was great to see a band perform their songs live (Phish and the Greatful Dead are prime examples), but it seems that more and more artists are in it for the fame and not the craft.
I applaud the girl who performed on MySpace.com because she it appears that she believed in her music and loved to do it. It's not like those buttheads from Metallica who are in it soley for the money.
Plus, the artist makes more money from their live performances anyway so we are not actually taking money from the mouths of the underprivileged.
I'll pay to see Me'Shell NdegeOcello, SoulLive, and now Pearl Jam because they don't care about the filesharing and they don't get their fairshare of airplay, but they continue to perform and they perform because they like it.
Filesharing is great and should be allowed to continue.
hell ya it should be they over price everything these days!
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Originally Posted by davmag
I agree. Downloading a song is only "browsing".
the only thing i see as idiotic in this thread so far is that people would pay $20 US + tax to get an album with 8 - 12 songs (15 if you are extremely lucky) considering that maybee 2 -3 songs are good and the artist just made about 30 cents to $1.50 depending on thier contract. The only time i pay for albums is when i know they will be good, i know they are not rich, or im at thier show and know that they will make more on that sale then if it was from a store. keep in mind i dont go to huge concerts at arenas. whenever i buy an album at a show its usually comming straight from the musicians hand... litterally.Quote:
The 137 people who voted yes are idiots. Why don't we just make theft/robbery legal while we're at it?
as for the movies, i can justify stealing those way more than music.... the big movies are making people extremely rich and the smaller indie releases are sometimes extremely hard to find for sale. pay for them if you like the work put into making them. personally i buy almost all my movies at some point. the ones i download are mostly odd japanese, korean, russian, other international flicks.... or anime shows that i cant find in stores or cant afford to spend $100 on
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Originally Posted by bone187
Thatīs the Reason why iīm filesharing.:lookaroun
I hate piracy myself but I believe this piracy thing is the bad karma of the music/movie industry for years of overpricing and exploiting customers finances for there own personal satisfaction. Can you imagine a single ordinary DVD movie would cost 2-3k or more per piece and make millions of copies with them and sell them like pancakes. The nature has it's own way of turning things into balance. And this piracy is a good example why we should remind ourselves not to overdo things that might result in taking advantage with our fellow or bad karma will strike back to remind us again. just my 2 cents btw..^_^
Cry me a river :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by elvenson
All this depends on how you define illegal ;)
I think the question was a bit broad, or at the very least the options to answer. So I didn't answer.
Do I share.. yes. Do I think a blanket lift making all sharing legal ... no. Do I support entities who are currently working to make consumer usage laws REASONABLE.. absolutely.
There is nothing wrong with getting paid for your hard work. And, IMO, there is nothing wrong with having some protections built into the legal system to protect you from having your workproduct stolen.
The problem is that that the laws have not kept pace with the technology and, moreover, have actually been strengthened to establish an absolute prohibition against any form of infringement on a virtually never-ending copyright system. And, as history has repeatedy demonstrated, an absolute prohibition of anything does not work.
Add to that the global implications of a world-wide communications system amongst different countries with different laws, and you have a perfect recipe for failure (and very fertile ground for a research paper).
Note also that P2P useage is growing, not getting smaller because of it's prohibition. A couple years ago you might see 400,000 users on the bt network; now, the average is 800,000+ (and that is just a piece of the whole scene). What percentage of that traffic is attibutible to "illegal" file sharing is an open question, but if the laws were effective the trend in usage would be reversed.
So, back to your question, "Should Illegal File-Sharing (Music) Be Legalized?", I think the answer must be yes, because:
1. It's going to happen anyway (technology)
2. The laws are ineffective (usage patterns)
3. The global nature of the puported problem (different countries = different views)
4. The legal framework is flawed (greed and sanctioned corruption)
Excuse the rant, good luck on the paper.
P.S. As mentioned previously, this is not an unbiased audience. You should post your question in a more neutral environment and see what results you get. Right now all you can say is that @80% of file sharers believe that sharing music files is OK, duh.
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Originally Posted by maebach
why do you think they get paid?!? that's a very uneducated response.
With legalization would come poliies and regulations and who wants that?
Yes it should be legalized, artists lose VERY little money from downloads. Buying CDs supports the record company. Going to the bands concerts and buying their merchandise is what's going to give them most of their money. If it weren't for music downloads I wouldn't know very many bands.
And record labels support the artists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pho
Alright, here's something that my dad brought up to me not too long ago...
What is the differance between downloading music off the internet, and recording music from a radio station?
You have to buy the cassette to record the radio, and you have to buy a CD in order to take the music with you and listen to it other than on the computer...It's also the same with movies and games and such to a point *shrugs*
There is a huge difference. You essentially ripping and encoding from a vastly inferior source (FM) to a vastly inferior format (Cassette), which in the end means piss poor quality (not something I want to run through my $3000 stereo system). Hence, the incentive to buy a CD for superior quality and ease (FF/RW was a bitch).Quote:
Originally Posted by Damion Foster
But if I downloaded a FLAC album, I get the quality and ease of a CD. No need to buy it.
And BTW, both infringe on copyright laws.
I think that the internet sharing communities are a good place to make the artist known, so, there are benefits for artists too...
Well is yes and no if yes people get free music which is why they have this forum and yes theres no point in spending a couple hundred dollars renting studios for making a song if you not going to get paid for it.
As far as i know sharing isn't illegal and yes it is, well most of it..few examples:
u must not share illegal stuff, u can share pictures of your undies (but not without)
nobody knows for sure if this exsist:
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Well u can modify this one by wish lol...haha
hmmm:
Bram Cohen(Torrent inventor) & Dan Glickman(chief executive officer of the Motion Picture Association of America(MPAA)) sure are a dream team.
I wonder what agreement is logical, when its about file sharing. But well its like with ganja. U can grow it but u can't sell it. U can share stuff but u can't share with anybody else than your wife and close friends. For me i got wifes all over the globe and i share only with friends and only legal stuff. ;P
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It's like asking Smackheads if they would like heroin legalised.
Kinda no brainer tbh.
I don't think it should be legalized. The artest should have a larger slice of the pie.(Instead of record executives,producers,Public Relations,advertizing)
CDs are cheaper to produce than old time vinyl records. Internet downloads only cost bandwidth and server space.
i use to be a person who would download music. What made me different however was that i would search a broad catagory like techno and would download a bunch of songs from different artists. after i found an artist i liked i would go and buy their cd. so in the end they do not lose any money. the only thing that i wonder then is what id you download a cd that you use to own? is it still bad for you to do that since you did own the music? and also i just want to point out that last time i checked it is illegal to share music not to download it.
Why are you so concerned if the artsits looses money?
I am personally concerned witht the fact that the people that do the actual labor get scrap for pay. I have to work long hours just to barely get paid anything. Artists simply doing entertainment such as music, acting, singing, dancing, and so forth should not get paid. It is not actual work.
I download everything I can, and will continue even if I could afford to pay for anything.
Artist should be happy that their loving fan are able to listen to their music anywhere at anytime.. just like radio.. I don't see problem recording radio right?
If you can share last rolo you can do it over internet .
Most thestuff i download is to see wot it is like , if it anygood i'll buy it :)
Yes, of course. People who downloads songs of the internet will still buy it from the stores if it's good.
i voted no, because if it was legal then it'd be one less whiner we get to laugh at lol