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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by lynx
Manker, if you read your PMs, and I'm sure you do, you would know who deleted that post.
You are another one who needs to stop acting like an arse.
I've read the PM and I know who deleted the post. Obviously after I made the comments above.
Oh, and what you refer to as me acting like an arse isn't going to stop :)
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by lynx
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Originally Posted by manker
Btw, what you refer to as bullying is not going to stop :)
Yes it is.
Be warned.
No, no. I can guarantee that it isn't.
You just have to trust me on this, old fella. I'm never going to change the way I talk to people, neither irl nor on the interweb.
Certainly, and particularly, not on the say-so of someone who doesn't even have the backing of the mod team.
I've been exactly the same on here for two years - but now I have to change because you took the pink pill instead of the taupe coloured one and it's not sitting right with all the red wine you've gargled this evening.
I really, really don't think so.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
Come to think about it... lynx has an excellent point. The issue may not even be the sports topics in the lounge. lynx hit the nail right on the head when he said "stop being such an arse." That seems to be the real issue.
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Originally Posted by Virtualbody1234
Come to think about it... lynx has an excellent point. The issue may not even be the sports topics in the lounge. lynx hit the nail right on the head when he said "stop being such an arse." That seems to be the real issue.
:lol:
So stop fannying about and say what you mean!
If I think someone is being an arse in the lounge, I generally tell them so and in most cases they stop being an arse. I've noticed that I'm not alone in this behaviour - many of my peers do exactly the same thing. I read instances of it every morning when I read the back posts.
Can you do likewise.
Or would you prefer to make up reasons to have a go at people about something that's completely unrelated.
Up to you, I suppose, but - and this is a personal preference - it would save a lot of time if you actually said what you mean.
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Originally Posted by Virtualbody1234
Come to think about it... lynx has an excellent point. The issue may not even be the sports topics in the lounge. lynx hit the nail right on the head when he said "stop being such an arse." That seems to be the real issue.
No, the issue raised in this thread is stopping someone posting things in the Lounge, when they are breaking no rule and are acting within not only the letter of the law, but also it's spirit. By keeping spam in the Lounge where it is not only tolerated, but actively encouraged.
As stated earlier, if you want to discuss another issue, please start a thread about that issue and stop spamming this one.
Or do you feel that you are above the rules.
Oh and chaps, please be advised, as far as I am concerned, the moderation has served one purpose. Any assurances I gave that I would not start Sport related topics in the Lounge are henceforth null and void. I'll post anything I want in the Lounge, whilst staying within the forum rules. i.e. I will stick to your rules. I will expect my posts to be left unmolested, unless someone can demonstrate which rule they have broken. I will not expect arbitrary censorship, based on a personal vendetta.
Thanks for that.
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I thought VB1234 couldn't do censorship, because he's not a mod anymore? :blink:
However, he does tend to have a "Signature-Size/On-Topic-Off-Topic Vigilante" complex. :dabs:
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I thought VB1234 couldn't do censorship, because he's not a mod anymore? :blink:
However, he does tend to have a "Signature-Size/On-Topic-Off-Topic Vigilante" complex. :dabs:
He still gets to join in Team Talk, as I recall. I never understood that, surely someone is a member of the board administration or not.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
Congratulations, you just earned yourself another 3 days moderation.
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12. If you get placed on 'Moderation' or a 'Ban', do not circumvent that action by creating another account. Doing so can result in a permanent ban to all accounts.
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Originally Posted by Agrajag
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Originally Posted by lynx
Congratulations, you just earned yourself another 3 days moderation.
That rule says "by creating another account", nothing about using an existing one.
It doesn't say anything about when you created it either.
You knew what the rule was and what it meant - however, please feel free to keep pushing this, then we can invoke rule 13 too.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
Did Balamm hijack lynx's account? I'd just let this all blow over JP, the little people with their tiny bit of power, like Balynx here, are just trying to provoke a reaction like they did with the K-Lite Tools guys and that rather petty sigs argument. Rather than give them the battle they want we should just return to posting in our normal way in the Lounge (or wait until any arbitrary moderaton has been lifted before doing this). The issue of sports topics in the Lounge has already been settled as far as I can see from the comments of more level-headed moderators.
Balynx has the power (in an interweb forum sense) which he has demonstarted many times he is willing to abuse (eg when he deleted all of J24K's posts). But ultimately he's just another one of these type of people who doesn't even read the Lounge much (and certainly doesn't participate) but want to change it because people don't play the way they want them to.
If we do need to bitch about things we can do so at our own forums where the moderators here are impotent. They are, of course, welcome to read any comments left.
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Meh, I'd rather give them the battle they want.
If the feckers would answer me when I point out the glaring incongruities of the thinking behind their prose, that is.
I'm not going to insult anyone, I'm merely going to ask for reasoned answers pertaining to why it was the best course of action for lynx to post a derisory statement to a member in a thread about an issue which had all but been resolved.
I would also like to know why it's fair for lynx to hurl the first (unsolicited) insult (call JP an arse) but not okay (resulting in 24 hour moderation) for JP to reply in kind.
That doesn't seem right nor proper to me.
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Originally Posted by fkdup74
Just so you know, a "cleaner" copy of this post has been sent to
a few of the more level-headed team members.
Good idea, good post. It's a shame that it was deleted, but that is the kind of behaviour you would expect from someone with a shaky argument and a little power.
I don't agree with cleaning up all of the board though (smacks of censorship), though the on-topic sections could do with even half the attention The Lounge is getting at the moment. Hardwareworld and Gamesworld are full of useless spam, Musicworld isn't even read by the mods (and it shows) and the off-topic polls has that lovely racist poll that somehow slipped under the radar.
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Originally Posted by manker
Meh, I'd rather give them the battle they want.
If the feckers would answer me when I point out the glaring incongruities of the thinking behind their prose, that is.
I'm not going to insult anyone, I'm merely going to ask for reasoned answers pertaining to why it was the best course of action for lynx to post a derisory statement to a member in a thread about an issue which had all but been resolved.
I would also like to know why it's fair for lynx to hurl the first (unsolicited) insult (call JP an arse) but not okay (resulting in 24 hour moderation) for JP to reply in kind.
That doesn't seem right nor proper to me.
JP knew exactly why he had been sent a PM about his posts. No-one outside the mod team, JP and whoever JP decided to tell knew anything about it. Instead of accepting it he decided (in a manner not unusual for him, you or Cheese) to try to blow it up into an issue.
If you bother to read my post properly, you'll see I was stating what I thought had been decided in Team Chat.
As for your thoughts about me not having the backing of other mods, perhaps you might be interested to know that the post which earned JP his initial moderation was deleted by another mod, without any referal to me.
Whether you think it's right or proper is irrelevant.
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The Administrators and Moderators are the ones who decide what is offensive, foul, inflammatory or excessive in nature, as well as what is considered spam, solicitation, advertising, profanity, inappropriate nudity or complaints. Their decision on the matter is final. Administrators and Moderators can and will take action without any prior warning or notice.
Just so you know.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by lynx
JP knew exactly why he had been sent a PM about his posts. No-one outside the mod team, JP and whoever JP decided to tell knew anything about it. Instead of accepting it he decided (in a manner not unusual for him, you or Cheese) to try to blow it up into an issue.
If you bother to read my post properly, you'll see I was stating what I thought had been decided in Team Chat.
As for your thoughts about me not having the backing of other mods, perhaps you might be interested to know that the post which earned JP his initial moderation was deleted by another mod, without any referal to me.
Whether
you think it's right or proper is irrelevant.
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The Administrators and Moderators are the ones who decide what is offensive, foul, inflammatory or excessive in nature, as well as what is considered spam, solicitation, advertising, profanity, inappropriate nudity or complaints. Their decision on the matter is final. Administrators and Moderators can and will take action without any prior warning or notice.
Just so you know.
You thought that it had been decided in team chat was to tell JP to stop being an arse, yet the sender of the PM didn't say anything of the sort.
Yet you question MY reading comprehension. Mine is fine, but there is clearly a problem with either your own or the person who sent the PM.
The question I asked was why should JP get put on moderation for an insult, when you'd already insulted both of us without provacation and didn't get moderated - who actually put him on moderation is of little import and I didn't refer to it. It also bears no relevence to if I think you've full mod team backing or not - in your own words 'Other mods seem to be afraid to bring this out in to the open'. By implication, you don't have their backing to do so.
Certainly not the backing of whichever mod deleted your insult post in the first place :smilie4:
You can hide behind the rules if you like, but it won't make your actions right, nor will it make them proper.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
This thread is causing lots of anger between some.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by twisterX
This thread is causing lots of anger between some.
Next week on State the Bleeding Obvious: Sky = Blue.
:p
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I have checked my in-box and can find no PM explaining that I was being moderated or the reason why. Neither can I remember having received one.
I've asked via PM but have not had an answer
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by sArA
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
The door on the lounge says: Talk about anything.
As far as im concerned, you can talk about anything in there....just dont expect it to stay on Topic for more than 5 posts, and dont complain if it doesnt.
If the lounge terms have changed, i know nothing about it... and i'd expect the sign on the door to be changed before anyone enforces anything.
Disclaimer: If i see something i think may be of interest if talked about seriously, then i may move it....
...but there again, if the poster really wants it in the lounge to laugh at, i can copy it to wherever just as easily.
My feelings are pretty much the same here...
Btw....I don't know why, but every time I look at this thread's title, I see
In the Interest of Fairies :blink:
:haha:
I think that JPaul made a typo, maybe that's what he really meant, sArA? :D
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
So do we have a resolution to this issue. I mean are we going to keep posting about sports in the lounge or what.
Seems kinda stupid to not allow us to do that since its really an off-topic board and we wouldn't want all those jokes ending up like in the Sports board where there are serious discussions.
We need to settle this but i don't think anyone would want the lounge to change. More work for mods which is unneccessary and it will just cause more problems at other boards.
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Originally Posted by twisterX
So do we have a resolution to this issue. I mean are we going to keep posting about sports in the lounge or what.
Seems kinda stupid to not allow us to do that since its really an off-topic board and we wouldn't want all those jokes ending up like in the Sports board where there are serious discussions.
We need to settle this but i don't think anyone would want the lounge to change. More work for mods which is unneccessary and it will just cause more problems at other boards.
Well RF and sArA seemed pretty certain. Things are as they were, the Lounge is for anything (so long as it doesn't break an actual board rule).
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by twisterX
So do we have a resolution to this issue. I mean are we going to keep posting about sports in the lounge or what.
Seems kinda stupid to not allow us to do that since its really an off-topic board and we wouldn't want all those jokes ending up like in the Sports board where there are serious discussions.
We need to settle this but i don't think anyone would want the lounge to change. More work for mods which is unneccessary and it will just cause more problems at other boards.
The root of the problem was never 'sports threads in lounge'.
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Thats what it started with. Then it just evolved into more things.
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Originally Posted by twisterX
Thats what it started with. Then it just evolved into more things.
Ya, and the whole 'Don't start sports threads in the lounge' was just a misunderstanding that eveolved into this.:(
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Ya this thread should be gone to prevent any more misunderstandings.
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Originally Posted by rossco
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Originally Posted by twisterX
Thats what it started with. Then it just evolved into more things.
Ya, and the whole 'Don't start sports threads in the lounge' was just a misunderstanding that eveolved into this.:(
Ross, Sara and Rat Faced cleared up any misunderstanding.
Everyone was happy until this post.
Now people are not happy.
If that post wasn't made, I don't believe that anyone would have added anything more to this thread, it was done and dusted.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by manker
Sack him. It's sad when mods start taking things personally but I don't think the board needs another Balamm (sp? (it's been a while)). He can have those pretty stars that all the other failed mods get.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by lynx
JP knew exactly why he had been sent a PM about his posts. No-one outside the mod team, JP and whoever JP decided to tell knew anything about it. Instead of accepting it he decided (in a manner not unusual for him, you or Cheese) to try to blow it up into an issue.
If you bother to read my post properly, you'll see I was stating what I thought had been decided in Team Chat.
As for your thoughts about me not having the backing of other mods, perhaps you might be interested to know that the post which earned JP his initial moderation was deleted by another mod, without any referal to me.
Whether you think it's right or proper is irrelevant.
Just so you know.
You thought that it had been decided in team chat was to tell JP to stop being an arse, yet the sender of the PM didn't say anything of the sort.
Exactly what I pointed out.
Yet you question MY reading comprehension. Mine is fine, but there is clearly a problem with either your own or the person who sent the PM.
No problem with either my comprehension, or the sender of the PM. I was simply demonstrating to other members that everything was not as JPaul might have them believe
The question I asked was why should JP get put on moderation for an insult, when you'd already insulted both of us without provacation and didn't get moderated - who actually put him on moderation is of little import and I didn't refer to it.
You seem to be confusing telling someone to stop acting in a particular way with actually calling them that. I thought your grasp of the English language was better than that.
It also bears no relevence to if I think you've full mod team backing or not - in your own words 'Other mods seem to be afraid to bring this out in to the open'. By implication, you don't have their backing to do so.
Just because someone else doesn't want to confront you themselves doesn't mean they don't agree with the action. Keep twisting the language though, eventually you'll come full circle.
Certainly not the backing of whichever mod deleted your insult post in the first place :smilie4:
It was deleted because the mod thought certain members would not be adult enough to know when to stop. Seems he may have been right.
You can hide behind the rules if you like, but it won't make your actions right, nor will it make them proper.
Seems some of you don't like insults now. How is it that never seems to stop you when you are dishing them out in the lounge?
This is one of the least moderated forums I've come across. As a result we expect members to behave like adults and to know where the line is drawn. A few members however seem to want to push that line back further and further. When that happens there eventually comes a point where the mods have to step in and push the line back to where it belongs. That time seems to have arrived.
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Re: In The Interest Of Fairness
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Originally Posted by rossco
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Originally Posted by twisterX
Thats what it started with. Then it just evolved into more things.
Ya, and the whole 'Don't start sports threads in the lounge' was just a misunderstanding that eveolved into this.:(
It wasn't a misunderstanding tho'. I have posted what was PMed to me. I just haven't named the person who sent it, because it's irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by lynx
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Originally Posted by manker
You thought that it had been decided in team chat was to tell JP to stop being an arse, yet the sender of the PM didn't say anything of the sort.
Exactly what I pointed out.
Seems a bit silly, eh.
Yet you question MY reading comprehension. Mine is fine, but there is clearly a problem with either your own or the person who sent the PM.
No problem with either my comprehension, or the sender of the PM. I was simply demonstrating to other members that everything was not as JPaul might have them believe
Hey, what. The team had decided to tell JP to stop being an arse and the PM he received was telling him to stop posting sport threads - but that's what you intended to do.
This is getting better :D
The question I asked was why should JP get put on moderation for an insult, when you'd already insulted both of us without provacation and didn't get moderated - who actually put him on moderation is of little import and I didn't refer to it.
You seem to be confusing telling someone to stop acting in a particular way with actually calling them that. I thought your grasp of the English language was better than that.
I've ably demonstrated many times that my grasp of English is better that yours, here - let me do it again:
I said you'd insulted both of us - not that you'd called us anything. If you tell someone that they've behaved like an arse, that is an insult.
Hope I helped you out there.
It also bears no relevence to if I think you've full mod team backing or not - in your own words 'Other mods seem to be afraid to bring this out in to the open'. By implication, you don't have their backing to do so.
Just because someone else doesn't want to confront you themselves doesn't mean they don't agree with the action. Keep twisting the language though, eventually you'll come full circle.
So all of the mods agree that a post needed to be made like the one you posted. That simply isn't true.
You know it, I know it and the mod who PMed me at the time knows it.
Certainly not the backing of whichever mod deleted your insult post in the first place :smilie4:
It was deleted because the mod thought certain members would not be adult enough to know when to stop. Seems he may have been right.
Sure it was :lol:
The thread was over, a couple of mods had spoken and agreed on what was to happen - a satisfactory outcome had been reached and you inflamed the situation.
Fact.
You can hide behind the rules if you like, but it won't make your actions right, nor will it make them proper.
Seems some of you don't like insults now. How is it that never seems to stop you when you are dishing them out in the lounge?
So they ARE insults now that you've been dishing out now. Okay, good - JP got put on moderation for insulting you, you should get put on moderation for insulting him.
This is one of the least moderated forums I've come across. As a result we expect members to behave like adults and to know where the line is drawn. A few members however seem to want to push that line back further and further. When that happens there eventually comes a point where the mods have to step in and push the line back to where it belongs. That time seems to have arrived.
This already happens. I showed that when I overstepped the mark the other day and apologised when I logged on the next day and read what I'd written.
The fact is that you've got a grudge against JPaul and you're using this issue to have a pop at him.
This is undeniable - and if you do try to deny it, you're really not fooling anyone.
Just so you know.
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Am I getting this right.
The mods chatted and decided that someone should tell me to stop being an arse. That's happened before and I've replied something like "fair enough, point taken", mods can confirm that between themselves. Everyone needs to be told to calm down sometimes and I've had friendly warnings before.
Only that mod misunderstood and told me to stop posting sporting threads in The Lounge.
That led to me being on moderation, for the first time since I joined, when the forum was a couple of months old.
This is just bizarre.
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When you put it like that it surely is
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by rossco
Ya, and the whole 'Don't start sports threads in the lounge' was just a misunderstanding that eveolved into this.:(
Ross, Sara and Rat Faced cleared up any misunderstanding.
Everyone was happy until
this post.
Now people are not happy.
If that post wasn't made, I don't believe that anyone would have added anything more to this thread, it was done and dusted.
Does that post actually look that bad as I cant imagine it creating all this. Its stating that we were debating how to deal with Lounge issue should there be one. Seems the fact that JP was put on moderation has sparked this with lots of assumptions as to why he was or if its a grudge which is silly.
He posted what was perceived to be an insult although in my conversations with JP he may be stating it was in jest pointing to a thread with the phrase.
However that dosent clean it as the statement itself could easily be viewed as an insult and is of poor judgment being posted in this section. Im sure someone stopping in would view it as an attack on a mod which dosent look good on the board. The post itself was removed by someone else on the Team for that very reason. As for how this started think that may well have been a misunderstanding also as mentioned by rossco though cant say...
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Originally Posted by RealitY
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Originally Posted by manker
Ross, Sara and Rat Faced cleared up any misunderstanding.
Everyone was happy until
this post.
Now people are not happy.
If that post wasn't made, I don't believe that anyone would have added anything more to this thread, it was done and dusted.
Does that post actually look that bad as I cant imagine it creating all this. Its stating that we were debating how to deal with Lounge issue should there be one. Seems the fact that JP was put on moderation has sparked this with lots of assumptions as to why he was or if its a grudge which is silly.
He posted what was perceived to be an insult although in my conversations with JP he may be stating it was in jest pointing to a thread with the phrase.
However that dosent clean it as the statement itself could easily be viewed as an insult and is of poor judgment being posted in this section. Im sure someone stopping in would view it as an attack on a mod which dosent look good on the board. The post itself was removed by someone else on the Team for that very reason. As for how this started think that may well have been a misunderstanding also as mentioned by rossco though cant say...
Honestly, if lynx hadn't posted his insult, there would have been no more to say on the matter.
He inflamed the situation and now there is bad feeling.
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Do you truly see that as an insult...
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Originally Posted by RealitY
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Originally Posted by manker
Ross, Sara and Rat Faced cleared up any misunderstanding.
Everyone was happy until
this post.
Now people are not happy.
If that post wasn't made, I don't believe that anyone would have added anything more to this thread, it was done and dusted.
Does that post actually look that bad as I cant imagine it creating all this. Its stating that we were debating how to deal with Lounge issue should there be one. Seems the fact that JP was put on moderation has sparked this with lots of assumptions as to why he was or if its a grudge which is silly.
He posted what was perceived to be an insult although in my conversations with JP he may be stating it was in jest pointing to a thread with the phrase.
However that dosent clean it as the statement itself could easily be viewed as an insult and is of poor judgment being posted in this section. Im sure someone stopping in would view it as an attack on a mod which dosent look good on the board. The post itself was removed by someone else on the Team for that very reason. As for how this started think that may well have been a misunderstanding also as mentioned by rossco though cant say...
If this is all a load of nonsense over nothing I think I can clear it up now.
I posted "do you have an unfeasibly small penis" to lynx. It was a reference to a previous thread I started (google the phrase and you'll see it). It was also an obscure reference to VIZ magazine in the UK. You'll have to sort out that one for yourself.
It's no big deal and wasn't intended as some sort of major dig at a mod. I thought it was in the spirit of him saying that I was behaving like an arse and would be taken as such, obviously it wasn't. That's unfortunate and I wish it hadn't happened.
The main thing and the point of the thread is that jokey sporting threads are allowed in The Lounge. However don't get annoyed when things get spammed.
Sorry for any confusion this thread has caused. It was intended to clear things up rather than make them more confused.
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Originally Posted by RealitY
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Originally Posted by lynx
I actually thought the idea was to ask JP to stop being such an arse.
Obviously whoever sent him the PM decided it was better to ask him to do something he was actually capable of.
Do you truly see that as an insult...
Well, he's implying that JP isn't capable of being anything other than an arse.
So, yeah. It's an insult :huh:
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Think based on JP post above yours this is done...
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this thread should be locked to prevent anymore evolution of this. :lol:
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Originally Posted by twisterX
this thread should be locked to prevent anymore evolution of this. :lol:
Agreed
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Originally Posted by RealitY
Think based on JP post above yours this is done...
Sure.
The issue about sport threads being allowed in the lounge was done last night.
The issue about arbitrary periods of moderation for insulting people is not.
In this thread, I called Sara a homophobe and didn't get moderated, JP enquired as to whether lynx has an unfeasibly small penis and gets moderated. lynx inferred that JP wasn't capable of behaving anything other than like an arse and he too didn't get moderated.
Does that appear, at all, as if JPaul has been singled out because of a grudge, or is it in the rules somewhere.
