usurper, is a bit strong.
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usurper, is a bit strong.
yes you can police your own site, except a lot of the user's here are breaking other site's rules. it doesn't matter if you have reasonable people here, the site's don't want the invites offered on public forums, or any forums for that matter, which is why people have come over here to ask that it is stopped, do you really believe that is so unreasonable?Quote:
Not at all, its how I feel as well . I don't use torrents either and after reading some of the snotty post's from our new community friends , don't think I'll bother . We can't police our own site for christs sake ? :O
if you were all good users, then you wouldn't be able to access these invites here because the user's would respect the site rules where they get this invites and not give them out to people asking in forums. that is a perfect example how a user who may be considered good and someone who follows rules at some place may not do so on all sites. usually i oblige to site rules, however a lot of you seem to consider it okay to offer out invites when they were given to you under the conditions you don't hand them out like they are here..
Seems the opinion is were scum and thats that. Ive sat and read this and am amazed at how twisted this has become when its simply to bring the community together. However some may have missed the point. Their presence was to make a stronger community and wasnt setup to destroy the invites section or perhaps thats what some want though it wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeRavine
Dont think your saying that. Think your saying that most of the members here are scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Then again members giving invites to their myspace buddy isnt any more full proof is it. Maybe were to believe that the invites should only be given out personally. However youve stated those that want an invite should linger around sites and forums until they get to know those with invites and they will get them. Dont see much difference in a trade as members here get to know each other also for at least 30 days at that. Then they give an invite to another member they trust and that member gives them an invite back. Simple difference is that the invitor gets an invite in return. As unbelievable as it seems to you this could make the community grow. It could be argued those making trades do more research and are more cautious with invites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Seems the point thats escaped you is that this site is a community. However you havent taken the time to look at that or even beyond this section most likely and chose to insult the members here as being some sort of n00b farm slopping invites around.
Havent seen a trade like Dm for **** here and doubt I will. Yet again the assumption is the members here are morons I guess. However for those that may be morons Im sure theres some myspace invites given out that went sour also. Yet again not much difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Whats the difference between this and getting to know members that have invites here and developing that same trust. Additionally you have to wait at least 30 days. Also those that make just the minimum posts and come back after the month asking for invites are often ignored. Maybe we havent put any thought into any of this or is it that the members here are trash or is it that you think just the majority is trash. Guess your stating if you go to a different forum and get to know members there with invites its different. Perhaps your saying that this site isnt a community as much as the sites your reffering to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Think weve made it clear where we stand on giving out our members info so not sure where you come up with this. When staff in the community has a problem user they let others know so they can decide what to do. This is what strengthens the community now. Those that should be concerned on this site are those that scam and could find themselves with global issues. Those that leech cheat or so forth on other sites may find themselves without access to the invites section since they shouldnt have any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Getting all traders to vanish is a pipe dream as were not the only site and we dont have access to close down myspace or msn either. This isnt a joining of communities so that this can be some magical starting point for lynching all traders good and bad. Maybe the fact that you have visions of this being a crusade and not looking at what this should be is the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Spoken to staff on bt sites and even though they have rules regarding trades have been told by some those with invites can do what they want with them with the obvious nonos like selling them and truly being slime. Think they might prefer it happens at a site with ties to the community rather than at a site that allows posting of private urls and could care less. At least here they could have input.
As for my opinions on invites I think sites that open registration from time to time or give allot of invites to its users should realize their invites will be traded and most likely know it. Just my thought anyway. Would think it would be best if those trades were done where theres ties to the community.
Regarding sites that are truly private we are here to support their wishes. We dont need to be a site where their information is posted. Weve added filters and are open to adding more. This is common sense to support the community also.
Have stood back reading and have yet to know what to to think other than frustration at something going in so many different directions...
n/m
Maybe i'll try and add my two cents tomorrow. Maybe not.
I don't think it matters. Things will go as they will... Qui vivra verra.
Who are you and how have you come to this conclusion. Seems you speak for all sites which is more than any other staff member has posted. Those that represent a site represent that site in itself. Have no clue how you became global to speak for so many sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
Yet again let them speak for their own as Im sure they are capable. Who told you they came here to ask it be stopped and how do you yet again speak for so many. You seem to think this is a crusade and FST is the starting point and again miss the point. Their presence here is by invite to forward a stronger community though youve chalked this up to be a lynching and your at the helm as some hero figure...Quote:
it doesn't matter if you have reasonable people here, the site's don't want the invites offered on public forums, or any forums for that matter, which is why people have come over here to ask that it is stopped, do you really believe that is so unreasonable?
Reality why did you let the users here offer accounts to **-* ? Did you know invites to **-* had stopped 37 weeks ago because of bunch of people cheating etc.?
You should be as aware as anybody that the bridge between communities for FST is recent. How were we to know if posts arent reported and no contact to the staff was made. Thats the point of community staff being here isnt it. Considering youve been a member here for a long time why didnt you mention it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
you didnt answer the question: Did you know invites to **-* had stopped 37 weeks ago because of bunch of people cheating etc.?
to answer your question: why didnt i mention it to staff here? i should have but i wasnt aware of it.
Yet you think I was. Not sure where your going with this but the answer is no.
EDIT: The only discussion weve had with them is mostly regarding filters and some threads that should be gone...
the bit torrent invite section looks like its becoming the bit torrent accounts section.
Were aware what site you reprsent so if theres an issue feel free to report it...
im partly in agreement. i think the 5 stars and "staff" in the title, is a little confusing. drop some stars, rename the group. i cant think of anything suitable right now, but it does give the impression they are staff from this site. although i still agree with the idea of it, and think its good for the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Broken
concerning the way the rest of this thread has gone....wow. i totally understand and respect that these sites dont want their invites to be traded on public forums. thats not what this is planned to be. members have to be registered here for 30 days and have at least 5 posts to post in the invite section. although i personally think its too leniant, it shows a desire to stop noobs coming only for the invites section.
this place is being labelled as scum, as reality said. i think thats pretty damn rude. how many other public forums with a bittorrent invite section are making such an effort to help sites who they have 100% no connection to. filesharingtalk could say screw you, not help, and allow a flood of noobs in to trade/request invites, and in doing so increase the number of visitors it gets. but they are making a good effort to help the wider community, and its being rubbished right through this thread.
if i were to give a member here an invite to 1 of ur "secret" sites, i think that would be better than 101 other ways an invite could be handed out. ive been member here over a year, and have a large volume of posts. i feel i know alot of the members here, and that they know me. so in alot of ways its not very public at all. not everyone here who uses filesharingtalk, or its bittorrent section, are doing bad things against ur private sites. i make many reports about ur sites being mentioned. u should be praising these forums for making these efforts, as its a rare thing, and not something i think u'll see on alot of other sites.
lastly, those members who would leave filesharingtalk because they can no longer trade for certain sites, i say cya then. ur obviously not interested in this community, and come here only to get bt invites. thats not the point of that section of the forums. its for members of this "community" to share with each other. if that part of the forum closed, i'd still visit here daily.
edit: i noticed some now say "cumminity rep" as the title. was this changed then? i think thats more appropraite.
Couldn't agree more there is alot more to FST then the bt invite section. in my humble opinion if that's all your here for then piss offQuote:
Originally Posted by Steven23
@RealitY, mods and other respected members: I'm glad to see many of you feel the same about this issue as me...it's why I keep coming back :D
and @ Halt3r: who the fu** r u? you can't even post in the invite section yet so how can you have an opinion? why don't you stay out of what doesn't concern you :shutup:
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@j0hn: didn't see your post but thank you for saying what i was too lazy to type.
Well all that person needed to do is go to IRC and show some proof for example it could be checked with his IP if it matchs the one on the site and has the same username then I think with out a doubt say that it is that person. I for one dont Ban ppl on first offense since I feel a warning should be given first and a chance for the member to redeem him/her self.Quote:
Originally Posted by blekitna
And I think you got it all wrong we dont like banning ppl, but if the rules on the site are broken over and over even when theres sticky's posts in the forums so users can read them and they still go break them that to me is very disrespectful and espeacialy after all the work that it takes to run a site and everything that goes with it ex. uploading releases minutes after there pre'd and actually finding ppl who are willing to pay for a seed box just so they can share there stuff for free with ppl like you the FST members who are members at other sites.
I hope that didnt come out wrong and its from the heart. :)
@DKre8ive1: you seem like a fair sort and I for one am glad to see you here in your role as a community staff member.
wish i could stick with this thread but i gots to go to bed :)
Because people want u*** accounts/not invites SIMPLE :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
It's the same like torrentbytes accounts (It's not invites sites but people want to get into this community :> and want accounts )
anyway all i want to say is i agree with invites being traded here, i found most of my invites in here, i dont think you can stop it by banning people because there are thousands of members in some sites that are good users, and im sure that they wouldn't be there if it wasnt for invites. why do we need invites? to keep out people we dont trust. how can we trust anyone anyway? i wouldnt trust people unless i have been able to trust them in the past.
<-------- yeah thats better.. Community Rep sounds a bit less self-important :D
:( you are way to skilled on typing my friend I guess your a rebelQuote:
Originally Posted by blekitnaBecause people want u.k.- t accounts/not invites SIMPLE :whistlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
And by a person having multilple accounts to torrentbytes it harms that memeber that is checking back every other day to see if sigh ups are open and if they do open ends up missing out imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by blekitna
Not sure why youve chosen to intentionally post that with spaces so it has to be edited. Seems rather intentional especially in this thread. Maybe your looking for a ban or moderation. Not sure what the point is but if thats what you want it can be done...Quote:
Originally Posted by blekitna
Still think they should have which sites they represent in their titles, avatars, or sigs.
That would be nice but should be their choice...Quote:
Originally Posted by tetrakis
Wouldn't it just be a series of asterisks? :blink:
Spam from Admin but had to laugh...
:lol: :lol:
I am a moderator at FSC. :) all you had to do was ask :lol: but if when you ask the next community rep person and for some reason they dont want to tell you have to respect it since it really is there choice. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by tetrakis
Sorry :( I will be write without spacesQuote:
Originally Posted by RealitY
It will be never happen again
(and I have edited my post )
Nice place :DQuote:
I am a moderator at FSC.
Im a new member here and also staff on a couple of torrent sites, this is why i have the community rep under my name (thanks to RealitY for creating this). I can honestly say that i have no access to any users info here that a normal user wouldnt see, i cant see ip addies or any personal details about users here.
Staff on different sites often talk to each other to check on ratio cheats, scammers and other undersirable users. The sooner that people who wish to join certain sites realise this the better it will be. Global bans are not issued lightly despite what some users may think is the case but when they are issued they are done for very good reasons and proof as to why it is being called for is always supplied or the ban wont happen.
If a certain site has it in its rules not to post about trading invites and users of that site followed the rules then staff from these sites wouldnt have to be joining forums just to check on this and could then be joining just to enjoy the forum and what it has to offer.
There seems to be the same names popping up and complaining about this new area that RealitY has created, makes me wonder why they complain so much if they have nothing to hide.
First off, my apologies to RealitY for trying to deal with this alone so far.
The heart of the matter is there are many dangers that threaten BT and Filesharing these days.
Instead of fighthing about it, Isn't it better to pan all resources and knowlege to work together on a common goal? That is making sharing more safe, enjoyable and giving it a longer life.
Some members here may not totally understand the concept.
It's not that trading, requesting or offering invites are all bad, but do you really know who you are giving those invites to?
Many sites have individual rules for invites. It's up to that individual poster that's giving those invites to abide by any invite rules here as well as incorporate rules of the site they are representing in that invite to that community.
As most of you know, there are sites that wish to remain not mentioned.
When you think about it, A lot of you would feel pretty down, mad, upset, or negativity, to find out that someone posted an invite, to a site, and that person that recieved the invite was a stool pigeon ( informant ).
If sharing is something you love, why would anyone want to be so careless as to help in a possible faster demise of sharing? I would think it would be the opposite.
Some of you may know me, some don't, but I've been in this a long time. I've seen sites go down. I've seen many (thousands and thousands) of sad members. Communities are torn apart. Friends or acquaintances arrested. A home (figuratively) is demolished.
The community staff section is not going to have "everyone" banned that shares an invite. But it'll help staff members here working with certain staff of other sites, to help provide a safe way of doing this. Only people breaking the rules would be banned or warned.
I've read through all these posts, and it seems that alot of Members here don't have enough support for the staff of FST to help them on doing what essentially a good thing. Where's the community spirit?? Come on guys, open your mind and give it a chance. No one is taking over. It's simply strengthening a global bond to make Sharing tighter, bigger, stronger, and a force to be reckoned with.
This helps benefit you as well. Your safety. Your sites. Your communities.
Lastly, Thanks to RealitY and the other FST staff here for being a great bunch. They've been really co-operative and I hope the folks I know will give them that respect. Or, you know what will happen :shifty:
Can someone explain me why don`t torrentbytes, bitsoup, filelist, oink, torrentleech care to be mentioned, while other sites afraid of that ? They all offer almost the same content, and the sites I mentioned are remain strong for a long time, even if they names and urls are known everywhere ?
why shouldn't the site's be allowed to set their own rules and expect their users to abide by them?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaqozo
i am 100% positive you have all taken offense from my posts when i have meant non at all. if a site asks for it's members not to offer invites on forums, then it's simple they should not be offering them on public forums, yet despite this i have seen plenty of threads in your invite section (i can still see the topics) for these sites which ask it's users not to respond to such threads, however i have the feeling that people in fact do. how can you justify saying these are good user's when they can't follow such a simple site rule? please explain that to me.
now you can all whine about who do i think i am, but really i havn't told you to do anything except follow the rules set out by other sites. now i know the staff here are putting in an effort to help out other communities, however i also know people who have had posts removed from these invite threads when they have stated that these site's don't want these threads/invites on other forums.
i don't see why you all jumped down my throat about what i said about ip addresses, now i know the staff here aren't going to do this, however if a member was to post a thread here saying they have insites to site x. Yet site x has a rule in place where their user's aren't meant to post thread's offering invites in public places, in my personal opinion (and that is all this is) the staff at ftn and staff here should be able to transfer information (including IP addresses) between each other to determine which user this is on ftn. If they don't then ftn may not be able to work out which user on their site is breaking their rules, or worse the person may have a different site nic on this site to ftn, however the nick used on this site could be used by a user on ftn and they could lose their account despite doing nothing wrong. Now you can jump up and down saying that's a terrible idea, but why is it? the ftn staff should already have this ip address in their database, the user's here wouldn't have to worry unless they were breaking any rules, so where is this idea so bad?
I would love to hear both the users here, the staff here and staff from other site's opinions on my last question.
Also someone said i came on here just to abuse, unless i'm mistaken, i have no actually abused any person on this site since joining, i will admit that the reason i joined up here was because of a thread i saw talking about this site, however i have also taken the time to look around your site, post in other threads providing help to some users, and even ventured outside the bittorrent section of the forums.
If you don`t have an answer for my question, just stfu and don`t reply :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3rwhy shouldn't the site's be allowed to set their own rules and expect their users to abide by them?Quote:
Originally Posted by jaqozo
How people can know that you closed invite section if they are not a member and when try to open yr url just see wheel. :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
I think nobody knows your site before I opened a topic. :)
I saw it on a forum and I want to join to cominity.I offered many account and invites but could not trade due noone has an account that time.
One of myfriend found an account on a trackers invite section and gaved to me just to check inside. :) Honestly I did not like it as the other accounts I have. :(
Myfriend lost his account in to days. The guy who was traded just get back the account some how :O . When I wrote here on fst I saw that Same fucking gay did it to others as well. As I remember the user name was VCR.
I did answer your question with a question in reply. torrentbytes, bitsoup, filelist, oink, torrentleech are not in the same classification of site to the private sites I talk about in my posts, you can say what you want about them provided you follow those site's rules, however these other site's ask for their site's not to be discussed, and in owning the site surely they have to right to ask this, so again i ask you, why shouldn't the site's be allowed to set their own rules and expect their users to abide by them?
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i don't see why you all jumped down my throat about what i said about ip addresses, now i know the staff here aren't going to do this, however if a member was to post a thread here saying they have insites to site x. Yet site x has a rule in place where their user's aren't meant to post thread's offering invites in public places, in my personal opinion (and that is all this is) the staff at ftn and staff here should be able to transfer information (including IP addresses) between each other to determine which user this is on ftn. If they don't then ftn may not be able to work out which user on their site is breaking their rules, or worse the person may have a different site nic on this site to ftn, however the nick used on this site could be used by a user on ftn and they could lose their account despite doing nothing wrong. Now you can jump up and down saying that's a terrible idea, but why is it? the ftn staff should already have this ip address in their database, the user's here wouldn't have to worry unless they were breaking any rules, so where is this idea so bad?
People jump down your throat because giving out ip addresses is ridiculous! FST doesn't answer to anyone, including torrent trackers. Who decides who FST should be able to give our info to, you? What if the RIAA, MPAA, etc. want it? The argument that if I'm not doing anything bad I shouldn't have anything to worry about has been used by all of those groups. What if some admin at some site just has a personal grudge against me...then gets my personal info here and makes my life hell? This site is about openness and discussion. In today's world, paramount to that is anonymity. Take that away, and people aren't willing to freely speak.
i didn't say it's what the staff should do, i merely expressed it as an opinion of my own, wondering what other people's opinion's were.
I'm not saying just give anyone anyone else's ip address, i am just saying in my opinion i think it would be great if staff from different communities could work together to try and allow site rules to be followed.Quote:
Take that away, and people aren't willing to freely speak.
I really appreciate those private sites and their rules, though I can`t say that TL , TB , oink are public sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
But again, let`s say those sites wish to be private, i.e. small community with trusted members only, everyone knows each other, like a family. But no, that`s not the situation. So if you can`t mention it here, PM me and tell me one reason why TB is to be mentioned and **-* is not, while both of them providing the same content.
because TB allows it's members to, where as wheelmods states clearly that it does not want to be talked about.
If you have nothing to say, just stfu, as simple as that.
What a waste of time it was...
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I'm not saying just give anyone anyone else's ip address, i am just saying in my opinion i think it would be great if staff from different communities could work together to try and allow site rules to be followed.
My point is that being an admin at a torrent site (even if it's a really good one) doesn't all of sudden elevate you to some level where you get to see personal info at a different site.
it's an ip address that this person should already have access to anyway on their torrent site, if the user is claiming to have invites to that site.
and jaqozo i just answered your question, how did i not?
Yep, I`m bored, but not to much to continue empty conversations with you like "why shouldn`t I kill people ? because the law doesn`t allow that"Quote:
Originally Posted by Halt3r
bullshit, the torrent sites steal torrents one from another, and if one has a rule against uploading its content to other trackers, the latter don`t care. so if there is no cooperation between trackers towards respecting mutual rules, why should you bother to try it here ?Quote:
I'm not saying just give anyone anyone else's ip address, i am just saying in my opinion i think it would be great if staff from different communities could work together to try and allow site rules to be followed.