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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
Sure but the talk around "the watercooler" at work doesn't have these hecklers made out to be victims at all. In fact I haven't heard such a thing (I'm sure it might be out there....somewhere).
The consensus around people I know is basically, "Kramer can kiss my ass, the motherfucker." The hecklers aren't a second thought.
Furthermore, heckling does not give a comedian carte blanche to say whateverthefuck. A comedian must remember that he is ultimately there to entertain and that he might not just grossly offend hecklers but others in the audience (and viewers of the recording :shifty:).
Kramer obviously didn't realize that those hecklers weren't just two black people in a sea of KKK audience members.:dry:
Just heard that the two hecklers have asked him to meet with them and a retired judge so they can discuss possible compensation for pain and suffering, and if he refuses they are threatening to take him to court for the damages :ermm:
This confuses you?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
j2k4
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Originally Posted by
j2k4
Is it or is it not your position that you would be righteously offended (to the point of trying to "kick someone's ass") by a white person using a term which is in no way offensive if uttered by a black person?
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
I have no problem with plainly answering questions....
Do yourself proud and ask questions plainly to get answers in kind.
Hmmm.
In reviewing, I see your dilemma.
The intricate/arcane/nuanced wording of my questions must have you, um........
flummoxed.
Never mind, then.
Oh you left you left out one (conveniently).
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Originally Posted by jay
Are you gonna step up on a brother and break up his "convo"?
Why pepper me with questions and top it off with the "brother" shit at the end? Flummoxed, hardly. I just think your a clueless idiot.
Maybe you missed the answer in my last post.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
That is not my position, btw.
Again, what's with the brother shit? Are you turning into the clueless guy again?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
j2k4
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
Just heard that the two hecklers have asked him to meet with them and a retired judge so they can discuss possible compensation for pain and suffering, and if he refuses they are threatening to take him to court for the damages :ermm:
This confuses you?
Was there a confused smiley used or something? I'll help. He used this :ermm: cause he thinks it's fucking stupid as do I. Not this :blink: or this :huh: .
Those hecklers know they aren't damaged. They just wanna get paid.
They were called a racial slur after heckling which hardly justifies them compensation. Next up: sue the Laugh Factory.:ermm:
The last sentence does not mean I'm flummoxed, btw.
Now if they were getting dinner at a restaurant, asked for water, and the waiter went on the same tirade, I could be symapthetic.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I just think your a clueless idiot.
Busyman using irony or Busyman being fucking stupid.
I simply can't decide :huh:
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
I just think your a clueless idiot.
Busyman using irony or Busyman being fucking stupid.
I simply can't decide :huh:
manker chiming in to be a bitch. Yeah that's it. I was hoping that would be jay with a response.
The word police has back-up apparently.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
manker
Busyman using irony or Busyman being fucking stupid.
I simply can't decide :huh:
manker chiming in to be a bitch. Yeah that's it. I was hoping that would be jay with a response.
The word police has back-up apparently.
I was sincerity itself.
Everything pointed to irony; the context, your italics - but given the precedent your past posts provide, I just couldn't credit you with it.
Still can't.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
manker
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
manker chiming in to be a bitch. Yeah that's it. I was hoping that would be jay with a response.
The word police has back-up apparently.
I was sincerity itself.
Everything pointed to irony; the context, your italics - but given the precedent your past posts provide, I just couldn't credit you with it.
Still can't.
Fair enough. I wish you woulda just let jay reply first, ya fuckwit.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Gripper
Why was someone secretly filming him anyway,was it some kind of set up.
Film everything and you may get loads of cash if you catch the right moment.
This post is unfilmable.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Skizo
:lol::P
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
that's great :lol:
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
What I want to know is; would the outrage be as loud if Richards (Kramer) lost his temper on a couple of fat dudes. Would there be all this controversy if he had a go at someone because of his age? Or sexuality?
I don't think so. There's a phrase that describes this: "positive discrimination".
Lets assume that Richards was heckled twice during his routine, once by a fat man, and once by a black man. Now assuming he lost his temper with both parties' and called the fat man "lard arse" and the black man "nigger". Which one of the insults causes the most damage?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
What I want to know is; would the outrage be as loud if Richards (Kramer) lost his temper on a couple of fat dudes. Would there be all this controversy if he had a go at someone because of his age? Or sexuality?
I don't think so. There's a phrase that describes this: "positive discrimination".
Lets assume that Richards was heckled twice during his routine, once by a fat man, and once by a black man. Now assuming he lost his temper with both parties' and called the fat man "lard arse" and the black man "nigger". Which one of the insults causes the most damage?
One is racism and the other isn't. I imagine they could cause the same amount of damage. A self-conscious fat person could be offended just the same.
However, people laugh at themselves. Lard arse can be funny. Nigger? Hardly.
I'd like to know if the fellas' (hecklers) story is true. It changes things a bit.
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Would you like to explain to me why the insult of "lard arse" is funnier than the insult of "nigger"?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Would you like to explain to me why the insult of "lard arse" is funnier than the insult of "nigger"?
maybe because 50 years ago they didn't used to string fat people up just for the craic :dabs:
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Would you like to explain to me why the insult of "lard arse" is funnier than the insult of "nigger"?
The same reason why fat jokes can be funny while racism isn't.
The same reason someone can call somone else on here a lard arse and it's no big deal but calling someone a nigger would be.
I mean really if you wanna open up the sensitivity bridges we couldn't have name calling at all.
For instance, I've been called a fat ass on here but I didn't go into an uproar over it.
People are just jealous of my luxurious body and resort to name-calling.:snooty:
There's is a fella at work that tried to put it in perspective by saying that if you are black and call your friends "niggas" that you are a hypocrite for getting mad at Cosmo.
I wouldn't really call him an idiot but just a little clueless.
Whoever doesn't realize that offense can change depending on who is saying the words then they need to get off their soapbox and delve into their own noggin a bit.
It's quite easy.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
ilw
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Would you like to explain to me why the insult of "lard arse" is funnier than the insult of "nigger"?
maybe because 50 years ago they didn't used to string fat people up just for the craic :dabs:
Thank you.
Racism vs. old fashioned name-calling
I guess it's out-of-bounds to make fun of someone's style of dress too.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
ilw
maybe because 50 years ago they didn't used to string fat people up just for the craic :dabs:
So a person can only feel insulted if a previous generation has physically suffered as a result of what the insult entails?
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What's the big deal. It's america ain't it, freedom of speech. I don't think he should have even apologized for it. If that's how he sees things fine, a person can believe what they wan't to believe "in america" right.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
ilw
maybe because 50 years ago they didn't used to string fat people up just for the craic :dabs:
Thank you.
Racism vs. old fashioned name-calling
I guess it's out-of-bounds to make fun of someone's style of dress too.
Nigger is just a name. Oh no it's racism! Lard arse is just a name. Oh no It's fatism!
By using the term "old fashioned name-calling" I'm assuming you believe that the insulting of fat people pre-dates the insults recieved by black people?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
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Originally Posted by
ilw
maybe because 50 years ago they didn't used to string fat people up just for the craic :dabs:
So a person can only feel insulted if a previous generation has physically suffered as a result of what the insult entails?
A person can feel insulted for any name-calling.
I'll put it in perspective.
Situation 1:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a motherfucker.
Situation 2:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a nigger.
In Situation 1 we can comeback to being "cool" again. In Situation 2, there is no comeback.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Would you like to explain to me why the insult of "lard arse" is funnier than the insult of "nigger"?
The same reason why fat jokes can be funny while racism isn't.
The same reason someone can call somone else on here a lard arse and it's no big deal but calling someone a nigger would be.
I mean really if you wanna open up the sensitivity bridges we couldn't have name calling at all.
For instance, I've been called a fat ass on here but I didn't go into an uproar over it.
People are just jealous of my luxurious body and resort to name-calling.:snooty:
There's is a fella at work that tried to put it in perspective by saying that if you are black and call your friends "niggas" that you are a hypocrite for getting mad at Cosmo.
I wouldn't really call him an idiot but just a little clueless.
Whoever doesn't realize that offense can change depending on who is saying the words then they need to get off their soapbox and delve into their own noggin a bit.
It's quite easy.
Sorry I got a post behind somehow. Let me answer to you here.
To me fat jokes are funny as are racist jokes.
Why is a big deal to call someone a nigger on here?
Why not open up the sensitivity bridges and save the feelings of the lard arse as well as the nigger?
You've been called a fat ass and not got upset by it, would you be upset if you got called a nigger or would it depend on the context? (I'm assuming you are a black man from previous experience on the board as well as this thread)
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
A person can feel insulted for any name-calling.
I'll put it in perspective.
Situation 1:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a motherfucker.
Situation 2:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a nigger.
In Situation 1 we can comeback to being "cool" again. In Situation 2, there is no comeback.
In situation 2 why is there no comeback it's just an insult all the same? Explain to me why nigger is worse than motherfucker.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
Thank you.
Racism vs. old fashioned name-calling
I guess it's out-of-bounds to make fun of someone's style of dress too.
Nigger is just a name. Oh no it's racism! Lard arse is just a name. Oh no It's fatism!
By using the term "old fashioned name-calling" I'm assuming you believe that the insulting of fat people pre-dates the insults recieved by black people?
Again, then all name-calling is out of the question. I could remove "lard ass" and insert "hairy motherfucker" and you'd think it's the same as "nigger".
If you believe that all name-calling is the same then you don't have a gist of what the real world is like.
You are logically thinking....in a bubble.
"That's name-calling and that's name-calling....voila."
:no:
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Nigger is just a name. Oh no it's racism! Lard arse is just a name. Oh no It's fatism!
By using the term "old fashioned name-calling" I'm assuming you believe that the insulting of fat people pre-dates the insults recieved by black people?
Again, then all name-calling is out of the question. I could remove "lard ass" and insert "hairy motherfucker" and you'd think it's the same as "nigger".
If you believe that all name-calling is the same then you don't have a gist of what the real world is like.
You are logically thinking....in a bubble.
"That's name-calling and that's name-calling....voila."
:no:
So because a person is black an insult hits harder than if he was fat or hairy?
Or are you saying black people suffer more than fat people (any race does'nt matter could be turkish)
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Hey which is worse..
Calling someone a lard ass or joking about Jews in gas chambers?:blink:
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What's worse: calling someone a nigger or joking about black people being used for slave labour
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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rossco
What's worse: calling someone a nigger or joking about black people being used for slave labour
Exactly! Its all about the context in which a word is used.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
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Originally Posted by
rossco
What's worse: calling someone a nigger or joking about black people being used for slave labour
Exactly! Its all about the context in which a word is used.
Excellent!
It took you long enough. It also matters who's saying it.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
Exactly! Its all about the context in which a word is used.
Excellent!
It took you long enough. It also matters who's saying it.
Why does it matter who's saying it. Surley a nigger is a nigger as much as a lard arse is a lard arse? Or is it only ok for a nigger to call someone a nigger as is its ok for a lard arse to call someone a lard arse?
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
THE WIRE FTW!
Although that season (2) was the worst one. It focused on the Baltimore docks.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
Excellent!
It took you long enough. It also matters who's saying it.
Why does it matter who's saying it. Surley a nigger is a nigger as much as a lard arse is a lard arse? Or is it only ok for a nigger to call someone a nigger as is its ok for a lard arse to call someone a lard arse?
Like it's ok for me to talk to your wife, son, and friends the same way you do.
You are in a bubble.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
THE WIRE FTW!
Sorry I don't talk street:unsure: FTW????
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
namzuf9
So a person can only feel insulted if a previous generation has physically suffered as a result of what the insult entails?
A person can feel insulted for any name-calling.
I'll put it in perspective.
Situation 1:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a motherfucker.
Situation 2:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a nigger.
In Situation 1 we can comeback to being "cool" again. In Situation 2, there is no comeback.
What I'll do in situation 2 is... Ask the co-worker there definition of nigger. If that co-worker 1)Black 2)Dirty 3)Lazy 4)sub-human. Then after that I would say besides the black part how does the other definitions apply to me. He/she is my co-worker so I can't be lazy, dirty etc. I wouldn't cut someone off as a friend or whatever for being a little ignorant. I mean I got black friends who are racist but don't act on it (not extreme).
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
THE WIRE FTW!
Sorry I don't talk street:unsure: FTW????
Neither was I.:wacko:
This must be Stereotype Day.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Zequabie
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
A person can feel insulted for any name-calling.
I'll put it in perspective.
Situation 1:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a motherfucker.
Situation 2:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a nigger.
In Situation 1 we can comeback to being "cool" again. In Situation 2, there is no comeback.
What I'll do in situation 2 is... Ask the co-worker there definition of nigger. If that co-worker 1)Black 2)Dirty 3)Lazy 4)sub-human. Then after that I would say besides the black part how does the other definitions apply to me. He/she is my co-worker so I can't be lazy, dirty etc. I wouldn't cut someone off as a friend or whatever for being a little ignorant. I mean I got black friends who are racist but don't act on it (not extreme).
Ahaaaaa.....I said nothing about this person being a friend.
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
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Originally Posted by
vidcc
Sorry I don't talk street:unsure: FTW????
Neither was I.:wacko:
This must be Stereotype Day.
so what does "FTW" stand for?????????
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Re: "Kramer" Is A Fucking Bitch
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Originally Posted by
Busyman™
Situation 1:
Me and a white co-worker get into an argument. He calls me a motherfucker.
Were you in your tent at the time ;)