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oh yeah and that gay ass rave shat and sex scene at the start was a potential movie ruiner, but the storyline a the end saved it. i mean it just turned into this grotuitous rave and they kept showing it for way way too long, same with the sex scene, its ok that they had sex, but they just stretched it out way too long. plus why were they so happy to have sex in zion, they could of did it everyday on the ship....
I dont think thats for certain... why would he come out and say that? That would make no sense... he may be cocky, but it would be irrelevant for him to say that... he hinted enough, and that was the point... im not saying he is... but i dont think thats a good enough reason to rule him out.Quote:
Originally posted by kagey@16 May 2003 - 10:12
ok the guy in the restaurant isn't another 'one' since he said 'i have survived 5 other neo's, and ill survive you' to neo.
as far as the rave scene... I dont know about you guys, but that is not a rave... if you have been to a rave, you would know this... so they had a big party, and celebration, and danced... i didnt see any frickin glow sticks, drugs, djs, crazy outfits, etc... it wasnt a rave, it was a celebration of life, and i think people take it out of context. It was to show you, even in their hour of desperation... with seemingly no bright spot... save for neo.. these people were so happy with life, and their freedom, they were going to celebrate it, instead of mourn their future... maybe it went on a bit long... but i think it was integral to show the love of the people for zion, and where they stand, and their relationship with their fellow people who have been freed. Otherwise... say zion is lost at the end of the movie, or in the next... you might think, wtf, who cares... wow... so they dont have a place to be... but that scene helps to generate more care for zion, and the people, etc...
as far as the sex... maybe they cant do it everyday on the ship... maybe theirs some rule, etc... tell me this... your out with your girl friend on a road trip, away from home, and u stay say in your van the whole trip, ya u can have sex, great... but how much better is it going to be, when you back at your home, safe secure, more room, better conditions, not our traveling around, etc... much nicer isnt it?
if i had a choice... sex in my car her car, which is fun and dandy at times, or sex at home, in one our beds... its a no brainer... and the point of dragging it out... once again, to help show how closse they are, and give more reason for neos choice at the end of the film
well there is some sort of connection between agent smith and neo
that is a fact. smith even says some things about it when they first meet
in reloaded. when neo dove/hacked into smiths body and destroyed him
some type of merging or change to BOTH of there codes was made.
which seems to have something to do with neos new powers in reloaded.
one of which is he can sense when the machines are near. he didn't have
that ability in the first movie. this will obviously be explained in revolutions
and we have to wait 6 months for that. better than waiting 4 years ;)
My 2 cents. I think that the 'real world' included Zion, is just another Matrix that the architect designed to control that .1% of the population who are anomalies. Its a failsafe, thats why Neo can control the machines in that world too. Remember when Neo says that something is different and how he can sense the machines maybe that was hime realizing that they were inside another Matrix. And quite possibly what they saw as him falling into a comma was actually him waking up once again. It would also explain how Agent Smith being a virus could exist in the Zion world. Then again who knows. Just a thought though. B)
Edit: Whoops, didnt notice that Razz had just said the same thing. Sorry bout that. :unsure:
saw the movie last night and thought it was totally amazing.
i have a few questions though and was wondering if you guys could help clear this up.
has zion been destroyed in the past? my friend says zion has been destroyed 5 times, i say its the matrix that was destroyed 5 times.
when neo had to make the choice, to end everything or to choose one person to rebuild zion, he was the first one to choose to destroy everything right?
what do you think the french guy at the restaurant meant when he said that he has survived the 5 previous "ones"? and what exactly is his role? how powerful is he?
do you think the twins survived?
im mainly just confused on the ending with what the architect said about zion and the ending of the matrix.
Well according to what the Architect said, Zion has been destroyed five times. But there have also been multiple incarnations of the Matrix. And also according to the Architect, every 'One' prior to Neo chose to rebuild Zion. Not quite sure what the French guy meant, some say that he is just another old program, but wouldnt it be interesting if at one point he was a One? His wife (the stunning Monica Belucci) did hint at this when she told Neo that he reminded her of her husband. And yeah Im pretty sure the twins survived, when they were blasted into the air, at the last second the phased into their Ghost forms, so Im pretty sure we havent heard the last of them.Quote:
Originally posted by ImpactPlayer@16 May 2003 - 21:44
saw the movie last night and thought it was totally amazing.
i have a few questions though and was wondering if you guys could help clear this up.
has zion been destroyed in the past? my friend says zion has been destroyed 5 times, i say its the matrix that was destroyed 5 times.
when neo had to make the choice, to end everything or to choose one person to rebuild zion, he was the first one to choose to destroy everything right?
what do you think the french guy at the restaurant meant when he said that he has survived the 5 previous "ones"? and what exactly is his role? how powerful is he?
do you think the twins survived?
im mainly just confused on the ending with what the architect said about zion and the ending of the matrix.
i believe i just said that :), like in 13th floorQuote:
Originally posted by thegroggman@16 May 2003 - 20:53
My 2 cents. I think that the 'real world' included Zion, is just another Matrix that the architect designed to control that .1% of the population who are anomalies. Its a failsafe, thats why Neo can control the machines in that world too. Remember when Neo says that something is different and how he can sense the machines maybe that was hime realizing that they were inside another Matrix. And quite possibly what they saw as him falling into a comma was actually him waking up once again. It would also explain how Agent Smith being a virus could exist in the Zion world. Then again who knows. Just a thought though. B)
ImpactPlayer: (nice name btw, reference to the ECW click by chance?) Ill try to assist you here.
1. Yes, the architect says this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it, and that they have become extremely proficient at it... so 5 times before, in the matrixs past, the group of rebels has sprung up, because the probability of people accepting the "program"/matrix is only 99%... but that it gets worse, and inevitably will lead to destruction.
2. Yes, by chosing to save trinity, he chose to supposedly forsake zion, all the people in the matrix, and everyone in existance.... bringing about all of their doom, and that the machines would be willing to live with that form of survival on their part, being limited, because they would find some way to go on.
3. At first I thought maybe the french guy was one of the previous ones, but listening to the architect for a third time, he says all the previous one made the choice to return to "the source" ie the core of the matrix, and restart zion... so i would think, they would decompile their code, because it says the matrix takes the anomalies code, and uses it for the next matrix build... so i dont think he is the one now, but I think in a way, hes sorta like agent smith, that he has been freed from the matrix, which he had a previous role, and he just chosen to simply live his life as he pleases... where as smith seems to want utter control, and replication of the matrix...
4. The twins, i dunno. If u watch the explosion, they "ghost" out after it happens, whether to save themselves like they had from previous attacks, or one final time, as they died, im not sure.
as far the ending of the matrix, according the architect, the matrix will seemingly die, or be done with, at some point in the next movie, because neo chose to not restart it so to speak, and let the program digest his anommaly, so it could try to prevent it in the next incarnation of the matrix.... so we will see how neo plans to cover his fuck up, i presume, in the next one.
*btw, I am glad this thread is running smoothly, away from all the other matrix shite on this board, this is actually intellectually stimlutation, and a good read, keep it up guys!*
To help the Matrix within a Matrix theory, anyone else notice how in the Zion world everything had a slight blue tone. Just as everything in the Matrix had a slight green one. Now if it was the real world wouldnt it have no tone? Again just a thought. maybe it was just purely cosmetic by the directors to distinguish between the two worlds...or maybe its something more. Oh on an interesting note, wouldnt it be ironic if in the 'real' world outside of Zion (if the double Matrix theory is true), that humans were the ones controlling everything? :o
yeah that would be a cool thing to have a matrix in a matrix which seems pretty likely to me. Why would the architect let 1% of all people escape where he could not control them.
maybe even one person controlling the matrix.Quote:
that humans were the ones controlling everything?
since A.I is not really possible in my opinion. Machines only do what we tell them to do.
like the oracle says the matrix is just aload of programs running.
The architect would have to just be a very old program that we left in charge of too much power. A bit like skynet in the terminator films. This would mean he is the original program and hence would probably be flawed.
As im always seeing on cracking sites. copy protection code is writen by humans so it is fundementally flawed.
Ummm, I think you were the only one who noticed the different color tones... None of my or my friends saw anything like that. And I'm pretty sure the double matrix thoery is false. If it was true why not simple pull the plug on everyone in Zion?Quote:
Originally posted by thegroggman@16 May 2003 - 21:19
To help the Matrix within a Matrix theory, anyone else notice how in the Zion world everything had a slight blue tone. Just as everything in the Matrix had a slight green one. Now if it was the real world wouldnt it have no tone? Again just a thought. maybe it was just purely cosmetic by the directors to distinguish between the two worlds...or maybe its something more. Oh on an interesting note, wouldnt it be ironic if in the 'real' world outside of Zion (if the double Matrix theory is true), that humans were the ones controlling everything? :o
This is a movie, AI is possibly if the writers want it to be possible :ph34r:Quote:
Originally posted by 4play@16 May 2003 - 21:42
yeah that would be a cool thing to have a matrix in a matrix which seems pretty likely to me. Why would the architect let 1% of all people escape where he could not control them.
maybe even one person controlling the matrix.Quote:
that humans were the ones controlling everything?
since A.I is not really possible in my opinion. Machines only do what we tell them to do.
like the oracle says the matrix is just aload of programs running.
The architect would have to just be a very old program that we left in charge of too much power. A bit like skynet in the terminator films. This would mean he is the original program and hence would probably be flawed.
As im always seeing on cracking sites. copy protection code is writen by humans so it is fundementally flawed.
Because zion is fundamentally key in keeping those that architect said reject the program, the 1%, he says 99% accept it, happy and fullfilled... keeping them at peace, etc. But as this % grows, ie zion, they begin to revolte against the machines, and strive for independance, which is exactly what the machines/matrix cannot have, hence, they restart the program with the help of the annomally, ie, the one... if they just pulled the plug, there would be no place for the minority to go, and the machines dont see a point of just slaughtering them, as, its a waste, and they always win any how, via the choice of the one... maybe????Quote:
Originally posted by XSpikeX@16 May 2003 - 16:46
Ummm, I think you were the only one who noticed the different color tones... None of my or my friends saw anything like that. And I'm pretty sure the double matrix thoery is false. If it was true why not simple pull the plug on everyone in Zion?
but this time their plan has failed, and maybe that would have been for the best, because neo made a different choice...
Well thats just the thing 4play, the humans think that by escaping to Zion that they cant be controlled anymore, but really they are just in another part of the Matrix. And your right about there maybe being only one human controlling, what if the Architect was a human? I know that in the film he sure did talk like he was simply a program...but that would be an interesting twist.Quote:
Originally posted by 4play@16 May 2003 - 22:42
yeah that would be a cool thing to have a matrix in a matrix which seems pretty likely to me. Why would the architect let 1% of all people escape where he could not control them.
good point well made.Quote:
This is a movie, AI is possibly if the writers want it to be possible
still if neo has now made a different choice from what they were expecting maybe they would have just pulled the plug on him if he was inside another matrix.
they seem to want to improve the matrix that is what the one is about. they are gonna use his code to slowly increase the amount of people accepting the matrix.
I have a fealling agent smith is going to be the one that brings around the desruction of the matrix for some reason. possibly by him turning up in zion in the body of the goatee bloke and showing everyone there that they are still inside the matrix.
so many possibilites so long till the next film.
Maybe. Remember in the Matrix Revolutions teaser when Morpheus says, "He fights for us..." Well Im pretty sure he isnt talking about Neo. For some reason I have this aching feeling that hes talking about Agent Smith. :blink:Quote:
Originally posted by 4play@16 May 2003 - 23:00
I have a fealling agent smith is going to be the one that brings around the desruction of the matrix for some reason. possibly by him turning up in zion in the body of the goatee bloke and showing everyone there that they are still inside the matrix.
I just have a question. I downloaded the matrix reloaded and it sorta ends right in the middle of this one dude's line. is that the ending or is there something wrong with the file?
No, it shouldn't end in the middle of someone's line. You must have gotten a bad file.
the size is 626,140kb i checked the hash in another thread and this appears to be right. can someone help me out here? is there a way to maybe run a program that can check for errors or something... :unsure:
Whats the length of the movie u downloaded?
The real one should be about 2h15mins
Well if you want to check for errors in the video file the program that comes to mind is DivFix. Ill see if I can find a link. ;)
Edit: Heres the link for the program http://www.divx-digest.com/software/divfix.html Good Luck!
@Phoenix007
the length of the first part is 67:46 and the length of the second part is 60:34
@thegroggman
i'll try it thnx
Edit: my files are .mpeg not .avi so this program wont work
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It cuts out when Neo is on the table after stoping the machines in the real world, it says to be continued.
I dont think so... i think hes refering to smith trying to take over the matrix, by replicating everyone, or destroying it on some level... look at the thousands of clones in that rain fight scene.... i think hes saying, neo is fighting for us, to keep the matrix, and prevent smith from takin it over...
Yeah you're probably right :D But damn...all this hypthesizing...November cant get here soon enough!
correction, it sais *TO BE CONCLUDED*
mwhahuahuahua :ph34r:
if there is some connection between agent smith and neo (when a "part" of neo, transferred to agent smith in the first movie), then maybe, Neo has the ability to copy himself (just like agent smith), but he hasn't realized it as of yet....hmmmmmmm......so many things to ponder.............
And btw, wat happen to Tank? I thought he survived in The First Movie?
He wanted too much money, they couldn't afford him.Quote:
Originally posted by Hazzy Hazz@17 May 2003 - 08:19
And btw, wat happen to Tank? I thought he survived in The First Movie?
I heard the guy who played tank stole some stuff off the set to sell on ebay and got caught, so they told him not to come back. thats what I heard on ET.
SPOILER so eh fuck off :lol:
yeah the guy on the ship says there was 1 survivor... it shows neo then shows the survivor... the guy with the goatee
Just watched the show, and I have to say it appeared pretty confusing at the end. The music playing up as the goatee dude was shown at the last part made my friend went "WTF!?". I had guessed that Agent Smith was the goatee guy since no sane human (in the real world) would so something so senseless as to cut himselves. I was all for the SFX and action and I missed out most of the dialogue like the french guy (M-person) defeating "5 previous the ones" that I only found after browsing through this board. I think that Agent Smith didn't enjoy being 'trapped' in the human body (but had no choice, he had to enter zion one way or another) so he was cutting himself, don't think the blood would do much.
Yes, this thread is a good read indeed, please keep it up peeps :D. It resolved some of the questions I faced when Neo destroyed the 5 sentinels near the end of the film in the REAL world and that is what puzzled me. So i read through the board and found 2 possible explanations for that which I thought was appropriate.
One being, Neo was infected with a bit of Agent SMith's powers in the first Matrix and somehow became part machine due to that. Given his flying abilities etc... and so he had a relationship with the machines one way or another and somehow merging both his powers and that relationship he was able to get rid of the machines.
Second being, it was a matrix inside the matrix and Neo was that 99.9% who did not accept the program and thus was able to use his powers inside the "REAL world Matrix" as well. I thought this two theories could be what we will encounter in the Matrix Revolutions guys!!
Keep this up, nice read and hope to read more. :D
Argh talking about the trailer... I missed it!! Just walked out when the credits rolled. Damnit now I have to download it off some website with my gay download speeds my ADSL service is giving me :(.
Now, ive noticed this... the trailer that runs after the movie, is seemingly different then the popular one online.... the one online starts with niobi and ghost, talking... and a has some different shots, where the other one, the on after reloaded, does not...
any one seen the one that aired right after the movie online? not totally different, as i have seen the theater one twice... but it is somewhat, strange that that would happen...
Im pretty sure that the trailer that has surfaced online is off of the Matrix game. I actually prefer the game one to the one that was shown after Reloaded :D
before he destroyed them, he said "this feels different"Quote:
when Neo destroyed the 5 sentinels near the end of the film in the REAL world and that is what puzzled me
in my opinion and some others on this thread, did they ever leave the matrix? remember the last guy taking, in room full of tvs? he said, as long as we give people choices,options, they wouldn't care or know what is really happining? maybe all this revolt, is simply giving them what they want, to keep them happy but yet under control as always.
As for smith, he became his own program, as he said, he is not part of the system or the matrix, but something better. for two reasons that man with a gotee is smith. One he lived and two, it's the same person smith copyed himself into if you saw it in neo dream, since now, neo can see the future.
Yup the highly debated 'double-matrix' theory. It sure does answer a whole lot of questions. And besides if it wasnt true how would it have been possible for Smith to have come in the Zion world? Then againwhat if Zion is the real world, and the ability to stop machines is something Neo gained from agent Smith (or possibly the Mainframe). And referring to your quote, what if by something 'better' Smith meant that he had somehow become a machine/human hybrid. It would explain his ability to come to the real world. :huh:Quote:
he is not part of the system or the matrix, but something better
Good point! Think about it... i havent watched it again to check and see... but didnt every time they were in the matrix, we someone at least hard wire out? For the final scene, we do not see this... yet, they are there, in the supposed "real world".... did they even leave... good question...Quote:
Originally posted by lunatacs@17 May 2003 - 12:36
in my opinion and some others on this thread, did they ever leave the matrix? remember the last guy taking, in room full of tvs? he said, as long as we give people choices,options, they wouldn't care or know what is really happining? maybe all this revolt, is simply giving them what they want, to keep them happy but yet under control as always.
I'm pretty sure they did leave the Matrix, cuz although you guys are right that they didnt show them leave, they did show their operator (Link). That is when they were abandoning their ship.
try to look at the bigger picture of what is reality and real. :)Quote:
I'm pretty sure they did leave the Matrix, cuz although you guys are right that they didnt show them leave, they did show their operator (Link). That is when they were abandoning their ship.