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James Madison was worried about the excessive power of corporations, too!
“There is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by … corporations. The power of all corporations ought to be limited in this respect. The growing wealth acquired by them never fails to be a source of abuses.”
... James Madison
! Gosh !
Thomas Jefferson didn't like the idea of government dedictated to bolstering the power of corporations, either!!
"I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
... Thomas Jefferson
Where on earth did anyone get the idea that opposing and eroding the power of corporations was un-american?
:blink:
I love file sharing ( USA born and raised) im anti consumerism and anti big government so go figure
Phew, 3 pages of descriptions of politics and whatever...
I don't think we should be comparing file sharing to politics, nor do I care to.
I am also deffinetly not taking part in the battle of wit here as I would probably lose and don't have much to contribute to this run on.
Maybe a better question would be "do you do it for political reasons"?
Though I thought, the better point of this thread was "WHY DO YOU DO IT"?
I don't do it for political reason nor do I believe many do.
I think some feel it is their right somehow or someway and should explain, why?
In my opinion we are all THEIVES and thinking any less is denial, now if are a theif with a purpose, then explain it. I myself do it simply because I can.
Why lie, I need a beer. :lol: :lol:
Why do I share files?
Because I enjoy music/movies and cannot afford to buy/rent all that I want to watch/listen to.
I share because quite simply, everyone who shares is helping the network which gives me all this entertainment on-tap. Therefore I consider it to be helping the network to help me.
A wholly selfish reason, but I don't hear anyone complaining....well OK I do but stuff the fat cats! :P
In the Microsoft vs DoJ cases, it was argued that by 'bundling' IE with Windows (and offering as a 'free download IE separately) that Microsoft was indeed selling it for a price of $0 PLUS limitations and liscencing agreements.Quote:
Originally posted by Allende1973@19 May 2003 - 17:54
Sure, but by opting to share we are dropping out of the capitalistic economy. We are not trading, or seeking any kind of recompense. We are enlarging the supply of music/movies/whatever, but the amount of media that is actually purchased will drop and drop.
it's not a black economy because no one is making any money.
We are definitely dropping out of the NORMAL capitalistic economy, but that doesn't mean this isn't a gray or black market/swap meet. Although many DON'T share, this *IS* a file sharing network with indirect compensation. I get my fastest downloads for instance by searching the people who are downloading off me. So there's my 'compensation' right there... :D I EXPECT some kind of 'return' because I'm not 100% altruistic -- I'd switch to a 'better' p2p network in a second... if there was one. B) For some people, the 'return' of getting email and web surfing is enough to pay a monthly bill for internet service. It's not a quantitative amount and may not be a defineable amount, but it is definitely a perceived benefit -- unless you want to assume it's a mindless addiction. :lol:
The long-term economic effects of file sharing depends ENTIRELY on whether media companies can still make a profit -- NOT on our numbers OR on how many files we copy/download/burn. It is true that their most recent years SHOW a decrease in sales, but that does not mean a lack of profits for them. And they figure 'profits' differently than most companies due to how royalties and kickbacks work. If music stores find they are accumulating inventory, they will sharply curtail future stocks and possibly even sell their excess back to RIAA companies at a big loss. But since RIAA still made the first BIG sale, the buy-back doesn't hurt as much. Then stores will/may go to back-orders for out-of-stock items, so they can keep their inventories low -- and the real production of CDs will slowly come closer and closer to actual sales. They can still count on huge amounts of 'guilt' sales to people who buy rather than download so long as costs don't go up any/much more, and that alone will probably sustain them once they start streamlining their businesses.
The long-term POLITICAL effects of file sharing? Nobody knows...
All i can really say about file shareing is, it's my only way to fight back against corprate control. Why should i pay 20 bucks for the shitty pop album Mtv shoved down my thoat enough that i actully belived for a breif moment,that i might enjoy it.when in actullality it's has disposeable as a used diaper.... Why should I? .....
13 years ago i didn't have a choice really, and The record companys got a lot of my money for a less that par product. i.e. That ace of base album i use as a drink coster. a 20 dollar drink coaster. well ive got a choice now damn it. Music has been put back in my hands, i now get to decide what i like and dont like, and dont have to blow the milk money doing it. But i would gladly spend my money for quailty product. and thats what demand! and when the consumer demands he recives. thats capatolisim right?
What ever the out come of this p2p thing is it will defintly improve my quailty of life. Thats what really matters. isn't it.?
Aha, an IDEALIST.
Though do you consider youself a THIEF?
:ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:
Hmmmmmmmm...
C'mon, REALITY - it's your duty as a responsible citizen to fileshare.
Corporations have become far too powerful. We need to take a stand. We need to take every opportunity to erode that power. We've begun to accept the dictatorship by Corporations as natural - we need to shake off that feeling.
The principle of Corporate Personhood (where Corporations were granted human rights) was where it all went wrong. Corporations need to be put back in their place. They should be there to serve us. We shouldn't be in their service.
Corporate Personhood versus Democracy
" ... That this idea has the force of law both resulted from the power and wealth of the class of people who owned corporations, and resulted in their even greater power and wealth. Corporate constitutional rights effectively invert the relationship between the government and the corporations. Recognized as persons, corporations lose much of their status as subjects of the government. Although artificial creations of their owners and the governments, as legal persons they have a degree of immunity to government supervision. Endowed with the court-recognized right to influence both elections and the law-making process, corporations now dominate not just the U. S. economy, but the government itself."
Ok, I'm convinced, IT'S MY DUTY...Quote:
Originally posted by mijj@22 May 2003 - 03:21
C'mon, REALITY - it's your duty as a responsible citizen to fileshare.
and I get free shit too, right?
Aha...
hmmmm only in the USA would they say file sharing is socialist activity
sorry guys/gals but WHO cares
maybe usa could learn something from it like sharing with the poor souls that live in poverty
3 rd world conditions slums etc
you know the ones that can't afford to live or eat
yep I mean all the people that just couldn't get a break in life
THE POOR IN USA
hmm oh yueah that would be called sharing and socialist behavior naah we couldn't have that now could we LOL
now take on the day :)
Let me tell you a story. I'm 53 years old. But, when I was a kid, a week wouldn't go by without seeing a whole host of commercials for "underpriveleged" agencies ... feeding the poor in, say, Africa or South America. And, these agencies would show heart-jerking photos of people living in squalor and deprivation. These agencies asked for money to help. And Americans gave, and gave, and gave, and gave ...Quote:
sexxx wrote:
maybe usa could learn something from it like sharing with the poor souls that live in poverty 3rd world conditions slums etc. you know the ones that can't afford to live or eat
But, I can turn on my TV today and see updated versions of those very same commercials ... from the same agencies ... and the message hasn't changed. If 40 years of "sharing" with 3rd world countries hasn't fixed the problem, what will? And regarding the usa could learn something part, let me ask a question of everyone here. Name one other industrialized country in the world that gives as much (per capita) as we do to the poor in other countries? "USA could learn something" indeed (sheesh). It's comments like this that make people in the USA wonder if all their giving was for naught ... that no matter how much we DO give, it'll never be appreciated.
its so we don't have to pay for anything
Ok, I'm convinced, IT'S MY DUTY...Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY+22 May 2003 - 06:26--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REALITY @ 22 May 2003 - 06:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--mijj@22 May 2003 - 03:21
C'mon, REALITY - it's your duty as a responsible citizen to fileshare.
and I get free shit too, right?
Aha...[/b][/quote]
Poor REALITY ...
He seems to be one of those guys who believes it's our duty as citizens of Corporate US to be willing slaves. (Corporate US intends to includes the entire world as its servile subject - whoever resists is a traitor.)
... if it feels good and we're not paying a corporation for the privilage, then we must feel guilt and shame. Isn't that right, REALITY?
... anyhooo ...
do your bit to grind away at those shackles ...
... fileshare!
:D
As long as there's a net gain for the West's enforced impoverishment and servility of the 3rd world, (with token charity to assuage guilt and somehow hint that it's "not our fault") - there will be poverty in the 3rd world.Quote:
Originally posted by OlderThanDirt@22 May 2003 - 09:43
... and the message hasn't changed. If 40 years of "sharing" with 3rd world countries hasn't fixed the problem, what will? And regarding the usa could learn something part, let me ask a question of everyone here. Name one other industrialized country in the world that gives as much (per capita) as we do to the poor in other countries?Quote:
sexxx wrote:
maybe usa could learn something from it like sharing with the poor souls that live in poverty 3rd world conditions slums etc. you know the ones that can't afford to live or eat
I still know why I started filesharing !
I'm from Holland :a very densely populated country with one of the best
infrastructures and distributionnetworks in the world.
I simply felt ripped of by the recordstores when they were asking 20 euros
for a cd and about 45 euros for dvd's.
Compared to a lot of other countries this must be impossible and can only be caused
by price-fixing : so action causes reaction and I have no problems of being labeled as
an anarchist or thief (pot calls kettle black ?) :ph34r:
It's btw a shame that in the US the word socialism has such a bad ring ,sure there have
been bad examples in international history but then I feel ppl have been abusing
ideals for other reasons.
I'd like to think of it as a dynamic concept :something to strive for even when mankind is not ready yet.
Poor REALITY ...Quote:
Originally posted by mijj+22 May 2003 - 13:49--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mijj @ 22 May 2003 - 13:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by -REALITY@22 May 2003 - 06:26
<!--QuoteBegin--mijj
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@22 May 2003 - 03:21
C'mon, REALITY - it's your duty as a responsible citizen to fileshare.
Ok, I'm convinced, IT'S MY DUTY...
and I get free shit too, right?
He seems to be one of those guys who believes it's our duty as citizens of Corporate US to be willing slaves. (Corporate US intends to includes the entire world as its servile subject - whoever resists is a traitor.)
... if it feels good and we're not paying a corporation for the privilage, then we must feel guilt and shame. Isn't that right, REALITY?
do your bit to grind away at those shackles ...
... fileshare![/b][/quote]
You RETARD, I'm being sarcastic...
Hope you are as well...
Read the whole post.
1. I Share
2. I Feel No Guilt
3. I Have Many Reasons
4. I Am Not In Denial
5. It Is Against The Law
6. We Are All Mostly Thieves By Law
Sorry but...Quote:
Originally posted by sexxx@22 May 2003 - 07:44
maybe usa could learn something from it like sharing with the poor souls that live in poverty
3 rd world conditions slums etc
you know the ones that can't afford to live or eat
yep I mean all the people that just couldn't get a break in life
THE POOR IN USA
hmm oh yueah that would be called sharing and socialist behavior naah we couldn't have that now could we LOL
STFU
Name one other country that TAKES as much as the USA. The West treated Africa as it's own personal war arena, carved it up arbiterially, used the land for cash crops thereby fostering the dependancy that continues to this day, multi nationals still pay a pittence for raw materials and labour while exploiting Africa. The world economic and political institutions are weighted against Africa and pro-USA/Europe.Quote:
If 40 years of "sharing" with 3rd world countries hasn't fixed the problem, what will? And regarding the usa could learn something part, let me ask a question of everyone here. Name one other industrialized country in the world that gives as much (per capita) as we do to the poor in other countries? "USA could learn something" indeed (sheesh). It's comments like this that make people in the USA wonder if all their giving was for naught ... that no matter how much we DO give, it'll never be appreciated.
Against this, you really think your pitiful charity means a damn thing? Your 50 bucks a year might stop you having to think or worry about Africa, but every time you go to Wal-Mart and every time you vote, you are re-enforcing the system.
And thats without even mentioning the USA's activities in Latin America.
Sorry, but most in the world would be grateful if the USA/Europe did a lot less 'giving' and do lot more to redress the systemic inbalance.
Yes I know this is nothing to do with filesharing :)
Holy Shit...
This post is heading to the SHITTER in a hurry.
It made page 4 before going OT! :lol:Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@22 May 2003 - 17:59
Holy Shit...
This post is heading to the SHITTER in a hurry.
That's not bad going really!
... and ...Quote:
mijj wrote:
As long as there's a net gain for the West's enforced impoverishment and servility of the 3rd world, (with token charity to assuage guilt and somehow hint that it's "not our fault") - there will be poverty in the 3rd world.
... and yada yada yada. Yup, everything in the world is the fault of the big bad USA. Where have I heard that diatribe before? Hell, most of the 3rd world was 3rd world even before the USA existed. And for every one of those countries we've (ahem) exploited, let me just say this. For every resource we've appropriated from a 3rd world country, there was someone in that country willing to sell it to us. This is a kind-of reverse logic from, for example, how countries deal with a drug problem. All the consternation and rage is directed against the "buyer" while countries are willing to overlook the transgressions of the "seller." OK, one more question. Name one country in the world ... ANY country ... that does things for another country for purely altruistic motives ... without expecting anything in return. Time to grow up and realize that everybody's in it for themselves (and that includes nations). And regarding the do lot more to redress the systemic imbalance part, when are other countries going to stop asking us to fix their problems and get off their hineys to try fixing their own? Really!!! The USA is the only country that gets damned when we meddle in other people's affairs ... and damned if we want to stop meddling. Case in point (Saudi Arabia):Quote:
Allende1973 wrote
Name one other country that TAKES as much as the USA. The West treated Africa as it's own personal war arena, carved it up arbiterially, used the land for cash crops thereby fostering the dependancy that continues to this day, multi nationals still pay a pittence for raw materials and labour while exploiting Africa. The world economic and political institutions are weighted against Africa and pro-USA/Europe.
Against this, you really think your pitiful charity means a damn thing? Your 50 bucks a year might stop you having to think or worry about Africa, but every time you go to Wal-Mart and every time you vote, you are re-enforcing the system.
And thats without even mentioning the USA's activities in Latin America.
Sorry, but most in the world would be grateful if the USA/Europe did a lot less 'giving' and do lot more to redress the systemic inbalance.
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/comics/updating/bok.gif
The topic, "Isn't Filesharing A Socialist Activity," was guaranteed to go off-topic, hehe, since one of the words in the topic was political. But, getting back on topic, I think that most people don't wake up in the morning and say, "Well, let's see who we can rip off today." I think filesharing, while theft is a big byproduct, is mostly done as a means of flipping the bird at authority (corporations and corporate-friendly law). And that isn't socialism, it's anarchy. :DQuote:
REALITY wrote:
Holy Shit...
This post is heading to the SHITTER in a hurry.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@22 May 2003 - 17:22
You RETARD, I'm being sarcastic...
Hope you are as well...
Gee!
I guess that makes you a retard too, huh?
:lol:
... there's no need to exagurate, OlderThanDirt. We know the US is responsible for the criminal behaviour of the US. Slavery exported to the third world is one of the crimes. You're happy with that as long as you can blame someone else, but a lot of people aren't happy with that. So - there's no need to come out all petulant and outraged.Quote:
Yup, everything in the world is the fault of the big bad USA. Where have I heard that diatribe before? Hell, most of the 3rd world was 3rd world even before the USA existed.
Smile - and the world will smile with you! :D Hug a kitten, OlderThanDirt, you'll feel better for it.
... oh! I guess that's an admission by OlderThanDirt that the US is oppressing the third world for profit. The weasily getout being they asked the US to do it to them. (Is the US above manipulating local politics for the benefit of the US? hmmmm - I wonder what OlderThanDirt would say if he were still here amongst us? God bless his tormented soul. )Quote:
And for every one of those countries we've (ahem) exploited, let me just say this. For every resource we've appropriated from a 3rd world country, there was someone in that country willing to sell it to us.
We??? Who's WE?Quote:
mijj wrote:
We know the US is responsible for the criminal behaviour of the US.
Are you suggesting the USA invented slavery? Thought that went all the way back to Biblical Egypt (at least).Quote:
Slavery exported to the third world is one of the crimes.
Nah. I'd only be happy if the blame is shared. We may be the Great Satan :P but there are plenty of other Satans to go around.Quote:
You're happy with that as long as you can blame someone else, but a lot of people aren't happy with that.
I'm neither. It just gets a bit tiresome to see all the finger-pointing in the USA's direction when there are many directions fingers need to point.Quote:
So - there's no need to come out all petulant and outraged.
I do ... every time I get a chance. Her name is Velcro.Quote:
Hug a kitten, OlderThanDirt, you'll feel better for it.
Hmmm ... let's see if I understand your logic. I guess when I buy an apple from a grocer who's wants to sell me an apple, I'm oppressing the grocer. I'll have to think about that :D the next time I go to the store.Quote:
I wrote:
And for every one of those countries we've (ahem) exploited, let me just say this. For every resource we've appropriated from a 3rd world country, there was someone in that country willing to sell it to us.
Quote:
You replied:
... oh! I guess that's an admission by OlderThanDirt that the US is oppressing the third world for profit. The weasily getout being they asked the US to do it to them.
Goodness, of course not ... nor are US politicians above manipulating local politics for their own benefit. But, that's what we have elections for ... to weed out the ones who aren't representing us properly.Quote:
Is the US above manipulating local politics for the benefit of the US?
Did I go somewhere? :PQuote:
hmmmm - I wonder what OlderThanDirt would say if he were still here amongst us?
Hehe, if I believed in a God who could "bless" anything, I'd ask God to bless something other than my soul (which, to my knowledge, is not tormented). The really tormented souls are those whose myopic vision of where blame lies won't let them see peripherally. But that's OK. The USA has been the world's whipping-boy for a long time and it probably won't change anytime soon.Quote:
God bless his tormented soul.
Have a nice day! :D
Well that seems to be that then.
File sharing is not socialist. It is not political in any way.
It's chaps getting stuff they want that they either can't find, cant afford, or just cant be arsed paying for.
Everything else is just so much smoke and mirrors.
Sounds good to me, hehe. :lol:Quote:
JPaul wrote:
Well that seems to be that then.
File sharing is not socialist. It is not political in any way.
It's chaps getting stuff they want that they either can't find, cant afford, or just cant be arsed paying for.
Everything else is just so much smoke and mirrors.
Well thats OK then, so long as there is a King/Chief/Leader who is willing to collaborate and sell out his people, why not? And you seriously think most people in Africa have a choice in who they sell to?Quote:
For every resource we've appropriated from a 3rd world country, there was someone in that country willing to sell it to us.
Again, that must be OK then, why should we try and improve anything? What right do we have to criticise?Quote:
Time to grow up and realize that everybody's in it for themselves (and that includes nations).
I think you may have got a little over-excited here. Eithier that, or you really are telling Africians to get off their ass and sort themselves outQuote:
And regarding the do lot more to redress the systemic imbalance part, when are other countries going to stop asking us to fix their problems and get off their hineys to try fixing their own? Really!!!
Dude, the only people that want a American presence in Saudi are the Saudi ruling elite.Quote:
The USA is the only country that gets damned when we meddle in other people's affairs ... and damned if we want to stop meddling. Case in point (Saudi Arabia):
OlderThanDirt - you seem to be getting hysterical in your defence of Corporate US's crimes.
Take it easy. Take some time off. Have a banana.
:)
And assuming they didn't have a choice, do you mean we shouldn't buy from their leaders? Certainly you're not suggesting we invade countries to liberate them ... are you? Yes, ultimately the people do have a choice. Rebellions in Africa over the years are a testament to the people who choose to stand up to dictators. The same is true in South America.Quote:
Allende1973 wrote:
Well thats OK then, so long as there is a King/Chief/Leader who is willing to collaborate and sell out his people, why not? And you seriously think most people in Africa have a choice in who they sell to?
Nothing wrong with improvement or criticism. It just irks me to see people who think that failure to improve society's lot falls exclusively on the doorstep of the USA.Quote:
Again, that must be OK then, why should we try and improve anything? What right do we have to criticise?
Not over-excited at all, just realistic. And I didn't say "Africans" (referring to people), I said "countries." The desert tribes in Kenya, for example, have been on one aid program or another since I was a child ... long before massive development encroached on their homelands. And in their culture, they have only one form of "social security" ... having children who, in theory, will look after their well-being when they grow old. So, when we give them aid and they regain their health, guess what? They have more babies ... who later fall into the aid program cycle, regain their health, and have even more babies. Where's the government of Kenya while all this is going on? Should the US invade them to fix their "social security" problem? Should we require forced sterilization in exchange for our aid so that the cycle finally stops? If we took such direct actions, we'd be seen as interfering in their culture. And if we don't, our aid is chastised as not enough. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't.Quote:
I think you may have got a little over-excited here. Eithier that, or you really are telling Africians to get off their ass and sort themselves out.
... and the first King Faisal ruled back in the early 1900s, long before the US even imported a drop of oil from any country. Are you suggesting they'll like their ruling elite more when American presence ends? The Saudis have hated their ruling elite for a long, long time ... and it has nothing to do with America. It has everything to do with the royal family being a bunch of playboys and drunkards ... lifestyles THEY chose to live without anybody's help.Quote:
Dude, the only people that want a American presence in Saudi are the Saudi ruling elite.
I'm not hysterical, you're a bad reader. I freely admitted that the USA was the Great Satan. Does that sound like a defense to you? All I'm suggesting is that there are a lot of "lesser" Satans out there who must share the blame for problems in this world.Quote:
mijj wrote:
OlderThanDirt - you seem to be getting hysterical in your defence of Corporate US's crimes.
You take it easy, too, see an optometrist, and eat lots of carrots. :DQuote:
Take it easy. Take some time off. Have a banana.
He said it best:
Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul@23 May 2003 - 09:16
Well that seems to be that then.
File sharing is not socialist. It is not political in any way.
It's chaps getting stuff they want that they either can't find, cant afford, or just cant be arsed paying for.
Everything else is just so much smoke and mirrors.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by mijj+23 May 2003 - 14:07--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mijj @ 23 May 2003 - 14:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--REALITY@22 May 2003 - 17:22
You RETARD, I'm being sarcastic...
Hope you are as well...
Gee!
I guess that makes you a retard too, huh?
:lol: [/b][/quote]
Thats based on the idea that I called you RETARDED because you may have been being sarcastic, which is false. Thus if you were being sarcastic, I would not consider you to be RETARDED, thus by your RETARDED analogy I wouldn't be RETARDED either. Though it seems you were taking my comments seriously, and not being sarcastic, thus making us not the same, so then by your own analogy you are by deffinition RETARDED and I am not...
RETARD
<_< :rolleyes: :D :lol:
This was all based on you trying to analyze my opinions based on a sarcastic comment I made in humor, apperently you were RETARDADLY confused. You said "poor REALITY" and then went on to say that I feel guilty blah blah... which was inaccurate as I stated. Apperently you needed an example to vent and chose me, without using your RETARDED brain...
RETARD
<_< :rolleyes: :D :lol:
Do you have some SICK need to twist the words of others and fill in blanks that are not there so you can vent, or are we all just bad guys to you, maybe you have issues with you father or an unhappy childhood, or maybe your boss at work treats you like shit, I dunno.Quote:
Originally posted by mijj@23 May 2003 - 14:22
... there's no need to exagurate, OlderThanDirt. We know the US is responsible for the criminal behaviour of the US. Slavery exported to the third world is one of the crimes. You're happy with that as long as you can blame someone else, but a lot of people aren't happy with that. So - there's no need to come out all petulant and outraged.Quote:
Yup, everything in the world is the fault of the big bad USA. Where have I heard that diatribe before? Hell, most of the 3rd world was 3rd world even before the USA existed.
Smile - and the world will smile with you! :D Hug a kitten, OlderThanDirt, you'll feel better for it.
... oh! I guess that's an admission by OlderThanDirt that the US is oppressing the third world for profit. The weasily getout being they asked the US to do it to them. (Is the US above manipulating local politics for the benefit of the US? hmmmm - I wonder what OlderThanDirt would say if he were still here amongst us? God bless his tormented soul. )Quote:
And for every one of those countries we've (ahem) exploited, let me just say this. For every resource we've appropriated from a 3rd world country, there was someone in that country willing to sell it to us.
I am very sorry to say you are a poor addition to this forum, since you find time to vent on those here based on statements not even made but that you have assumed.
The place for this type of debate is in the Lounge now..............
Cant think why anyone would want to blame Corporate USA for anything.
I mean why would anyone blame an entity that will do anything to improve "The Bottom Line".......
But why are people concentrating on USA for this criticism, apart from the obvious fact that over 1/2 worlds GDP are in the USA. Other non-US companies are just as bad.
Anyone heard of BP?
They are responsible for a lot of deaths in certain countries....... :ph34r:
Amen. The "Isn't Filesharing A Socialist Activity?" thread has apparently been resolved to everyone's satisfaction. Perhaps it's time to move this entire topic to the Lounge. Or (grin), maybe the forum crew could create a new area ... called Graveyard ... where topics that fall from grace languish "frozen" (allowing no new posts) as an example of much ado about nothing, hehe.Quote:
JPaul wrote:
The place for this type of debate is in the Lounge now..............
Have you ever heard the Genesis song, "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight?"Quote:
Anyone heard of BP?
Guess who the "Knights of the Green Shield" are (grin)?Quote:
Lyrics excerpt:
Follow on ! With a twist of the world we go
Follow on ! Till the gold is cold
Dancing out with the moonlit knight
Knights of the Green Shield stamp and shout.
why do americans from south of canada get so paranoid every time someone mentions politics
i figure that the netherlands has more to do with the filesharing situation than the USA
i just don't see any other situation where affluent people in the west share things like Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition, which is supposed to be $3999 [US], which is a freakin lot to share, are available over kazaa
when IBM buys up stock to let it rust in guarded dumps to keep the market for new hardware fresh, this is a radical action
i can't do anything about the first 4 issues & you may be OlderThanDirt but get with the program GQuote:
Originally posted by REALITY@23 May 2003 - 03:22
1. I Share
2. I Feel No Guilt
3. I Have Many Reasons
4. I Am Not In Denial
5. It Is Against The Law
6. We Are All Mostly Thieves By Law
your on the internet now, who's law? where? what enforcement? what treaties?
your not in kansas anymore toto
certain persons in the USA need to realise that swinging a mammoth cudgel doesn't make the whole world theirs
different places have different laws for different reasons
the internet isn't a place so there are no laws. only systems.
Google search... you'll find lots...Quote:
your on the internet now, who's law? where? what enforcement? what treaties?
TrueQuote:
your not in kansas anymore toto
Historically falseQuote:
certain persons in the USA need to realise that swinging a mammoth cudgel doesn't make the whole world theirs
Yup.Quote:
different places have different laws for different reasons
Flawed logic...were that true, Internet kiddie porn would be legal.Quote:
the internet isn't a place so there are no laws. only systems.
RFQuote:
Originally posted by Rat Faced@24 May 2003 - 11:31
The place for this type of debate is in the Lounge now..............
Do us a favour, make sure it is in the Stunningly Condescending Room, it's decended into Mutual Intellectual Masturbation now.
In fact this one hasn't even gone that way. It's just cheap point scoring and debating technique.
We chaps in the lounge just like trivial or stupid subjects and having a laugh at each others expense. This is a wee bit too vitriolic.
RFQuote:
Originally posted by JPaul+25 May 2003 - 07:32--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 25 May 2003 - 07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Rat Faced@24 May 2003 - 11:31
The place for this type of debate is in the Lounge now..............
Do us a favour, make sure it is in the Stunningly Condescending Room, it's descended into Mutual Intellectual Masturbation now.
In fact this one hasn't even gone that way. It's just cheap point scoring and debating technique.
We chaps in the lounge just like trivial or stupid subjects and having a laugh at each others expense. This is a wee bit too vitriolic. [/b][/quote]
if people could post on topic for 5 minutes maybe, this topic could've had half a chance
instead people with little opinion and many disparaging remarks turned it into cheap point scoring
mutual masturbation is far more fulfilling than this [you should find out what you're missing if this equates to masturbation for you]
if your speed is stupid and trivial then you should learn to but out, and allow people to discuss the topics of their choice
the downfall of this topic has everything to do with how it was pursued on the board and little to do with with the topic as it was set out