FTWR Guide for n00bs.

we don't have many rules at rabbit... but we don't want our name posted around and we don't want invites traded on forums. common with most trackers, account trading is a definate no-no.

unfortunately, from what i've seen, i can't expect a level of maturity from those running this site to be able to negotiate, therefore expect my account here to be disabled pretty quicky... seems to have happened to most other of our staff here.

never mind... just make it harder to talk to any of you that might have been caught up on the edges of big invite chains.

as for this thread... if the first post remains, it just proves that everything that staff here have said about respecting other site is just bullshit... and we were right to go on a banfest. i'm hoping i'm wrong about this...

pm's are welcome - here (as long as my account lasts) and on our irc.

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Originally Posted by StevenVD

ftwr admins can do what they want.. if they delete you then they delete you! This topic is unnecessary and insane, should be deleted!

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Admins of FTWR can do whatever they want... but users of FST are not allowed to do what they feel like on their forum? Please explain the logic here.

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Originally Posted by wwwolf

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as for this thread... if the first post remains, it just proves that everything that staff here have said about respecting other site is just bullshit... and we were right to go on a banfest. i'm hoping i'm wrong about this...

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Before running around preaching about respect start respecting your users. Your post only proves your arrogance. You threw the first stone. You are not a victim.

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Originally Posted by wwwolf

we don't have many rules at rabbit... but we don't want our name posted around and we don't want invites traded on forums. common with most trackers, account trading is a definate no-no.

unfortunately, from what i've seen, i can't expect a level of maturity from those running this site to be able to negotiate, therefore expect my account here to be disabled pretty quicky... seems to have happened to most other of our staff here.

never mind... just make it harder to talk to any of you that might have been caught up on the edges of big invite chains.

as for this thread... if the first post remains, it just proves that everything that staff here have said about respecting other site is just bullshit... and we were right to go on a banfest. i'm hoping i'm wrong about this...

pm's are welcome - here (as long as my account lasts) and on our irc.

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We have had good response from some sites reps at TPG but others just don't want to know.
This sort of thing could be avoided if FTWR reps supported our efforts.
While you're busy labelling FST mods/admins childish, why don't you reflect on the way we handle wheelmods references here.

We are trying to exert at least some control over what happens here which is lightyears away from the way other, similar, sites handle the invites situation.

Moderating just the invite section here takes up a lot of my fucking spare time but you don't appreciate it so perhaps we should open it up to everyone and let all members, new and old, have at it unmoderated.

Bottom line... you've gone on a banfest targeting our members and aren't the slightest bit interested in what we're trying to do.
Out of respect for other sites that work with us we're not opening the section to all but this thread can be considered to be making an example of FTWR (just as you have done to our members) to show how we can help those that are willing to work with us.

fair enough, I think :)

just how many of u guys lost accounts?

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Originally Posted by Chewie UK

Bottom line... you've gone on a banfest targeting our members and aren't the slightest bit interested in what we're trying to do.
Out of respect for other sites that work with us we're not opening the section to all but this thread can be considered to be making an example of FTWR (just as you have done to our members) to show how we can help those that are willing to work with us.

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we tried... we have logs of conversations with reality that seem to be going somewhere, but all of a sudden he turns it on the head and doesn't want to know. we also have proof that - following what we thought was an arrangement with you guys - the majority of those caught in the banfest were as a result of finds on other forums such as zeropaid. we've been speaking to staff at other sites and find similar reactions there... if it is thought that users on our own sites - where we set the rules - are banned, and they're members here, then our staff seem to suddenly get rights removed or even banned.

up until now, i've kept out of this debate... but seems like a line has to be drawn somewhere...

Hope this discussion and joining wolf isn't just a crap.
If we can solve this then let's do it like reasonable ppl, if not.
Lock this, don't like to talk if it doesn't have point to person I'm reffering to.

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Which is one just of there stupid polls on the home page.

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interesting I guess people do have there limits

I find FTWR's reaction funny. It's not like FST falls under FTWR "jurisdiction", so quit complaining. It's just silly. That matter aside, asking for a fair treatment when you ban entire invite trees is a bit ridiculous. Going 2 generations or so of an invite tree of a cheater sounds reasonable depending on circumstances, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

As for secrecy, I doubt the OP has changed anything. I don't have - never have had - an FTWR account, but always knew where they were located and what they were all about...not because someone told me, but because it was extremely easy to find out.

thanks...

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Originally Posted by mofo.

the users that had their accounts disabled deserve an explanation from a member of staff of ftwr, that is the least they could have done

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Until my privileges here were revoked, I was responding to PMs on these boards from anyone who asked. We have also responded to all queries on our IRC, timezone differences permitting.

To answer a few points:

1. We did not ban FST users indiscriminately. In fact, all but one disabled account had nothing to do with FST at all, and the one that did was reversed upon talking with a staff member here. The invite tree bans were based on invite offer and account trade posts found on zeropaid and/or other venues. (The reversal was reversed yet again upon finding that user offering an account on zeropaid.)

2. Many of the disabled invite trees contained numerous duplicate accounts and networks of known account traders. Some "good" users happened to find themselves in those networks as well, which is a shame. Such users that want to return know where to find us, and we will consider reinstatement individually.

If my privileges here are reinstated, I will accept and respond to any PMs here. If you want to find me on IRC, I am GMT-5 and usually available 6pm to 11pm weekdays; I will also be available much of this weekend. I am on p2pnetwork (irc.p2p-network.net) under this nick, from which I will privately direct you to our IRC.

edit: Provide your FST nick, site nick and site e-mail with any contact, please.

This thread is a bit childish and seems like the only thing it is after is hoping that somehow it will get FTWR closed.
This is not what FST is about and I think that these kind of posts are out of place and should not be allowed.

File Sharing is what we want and what we do. We should not go against FS sites - NO MATTETR WHAT!!
There are many other torrent sites and if FTWR decide to ban / disable users its their prerogative.

Maybe you should open a poll and see what people think about these kind of threads.
personally I hope this thread will be deleted and no others like that should be allowed.

Fu*kkk I just got banned !!

and when i start to think thet its not gonna hapend to me...

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Originally Posted by tdoar

personally I hope this thread will be deleted and no others like that should be allowed.

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a user who had their account disabled was probably just venting. now that a member of staff of ftwr has stepped in and assured the users of the disabled accounts that they can speak to them through pming and/or using irc, this thread can only die, i doubt it will be deleted

If anything, this thread just proves how sad of a state we are in.

First observation - the sheer immaturity.

In essence - Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - How dare they do this to me!
The only way for me to deal with rejection is to lash out.
If I can't enjoy this, then I will try to destroy it.
Would hate to be someone who is in a relationship with you that goes bad...


Second observation - delusional purpose

Did the person of this thread really envision himself as a champion of the opressed? Does this person see the world as black and white?

Historical fact - Hitler never saw himself as evil - he believed that what he was doing was for greater benefit of Germany. He saw himself as a liberator, and not at all as an oppressor.

Do the people who are hooked on Account trading really perceive themselves as the "good guys", and trackers with these types of rules as "opressors"? That is hilarious, and completely dilusional.

There are so MANY trackers out in the digital world people. If you can't understand and respect the rules of one, THEN DON"T JOIN IT! You have so many other choices out there - the world is your oyster!

Plain and simple - the person who posted this is a suck!
When he does not get his way, this is what happens.
People who are glorifying this alleged "rebel" are likely misguided, or have a very shallow set of values.

In contrast, in one of the other similar threads out there, there was one person who posted that really earned my respect. He too had his account banned, but he accepted it, and (and i quote) "took it like a man."
I forget who you are - but kudos to you.

It takes BALLS and GUTS to roll with the punches and keep on going.

There is someone thet i can PM to beside jaymatter because he have Disabled Privileges and i dont relly good with all thet IRC stuff so..

Let's Find The White Rabbit :)

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Originally Posted by Shalafi

Let's Find The White Rabbit :)

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:lol:

The Thread is Just our first Expression For what happened to alot of FST members who contributed to the Tracker and then get aban

We don't Wanna Take your rights in banning anyone but there were alot of Great members who became part of your community and u banned them just because they were invited by Traders or They are Traders

The Thread Was made as amessage to The FTWR staff explaining our disapproval of What they Did

The Tracker is no longer asecret and This Thread will Spread in alot of Forums around The World

You aren't special or Unknown from Now on and your invites and accs will be more traded than before although your decision to remove invites to your tracker and make them by request because that won't stop anyone from getting in if he wants

Any More Unresponsible Acts from you or any other Tracker will only results in other Acts From Us and it won't Be as simple as this one because perhaps the next time we will get the tracker down

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Originally Posted by wwwolf

as for this thread... if the first post remains, it just proves that everything that staff here have said about respecting other site is just bullshit... and we were right to go on a banfest. i'm hoping i'm wrong about this...

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you were The first to piss alot of guys in here and u didn't respect FST members so don't ask for respect from others while u don't respect them

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Originally Posted by wwwolf

we tried... we have logs of conversations with reality that seem to be going somewhere,we also have proof that - following what we thought was an arrangement with you guys

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I don't want to get into the details of that agreement but u have broke that agreement by removing all the invites from users and then disable almost all FST members and u won't get anbenefit from that except hatred because everymember in here can get in your tracker whether u like it or not

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Originally Posted by Adnebro

There is someone thet i can PM to beside jaymatter because he have Disabled Privileges and i dont relly good with all thet IRC stuff so..

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You can always PM me.

JGG
Sysop

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Originally Posted by mofo.

the users that had their accounts disabled deserve an explanation from a member of staff of ftwr, that is the least they could have done

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Until my privileges here were revoked, I was responding to PMs on these boards from anyone who asked. We have also responded to all queries on our IRC, timezone differences permitting.

To answer a few points:

1. We did not ban FST users indiscriminately. In fact, all but one disabled account had nothing to do with FST at all, and the one that did was reversed upon talking with a staff member here. The invite tree bans were based on invite offer and account trade posts found on zeropaid and/or other venues. (The reversal was reversed yet again upon finding that user offering an account on zeropaid.)

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U Banned FST members although u had an agreement with our staff but u broke it and ban our members

u have banned traders from FST including myself who didn't participate in any other forums and who respected the agreement by not offering your invites or accs on other forums and u r saying that u didn't ban FST members :huh: ?

Do u think that u have achieved anything by banning FST members ,i don't think so because for your knowledge those members can get other accs there but your altitude was very offensive and u made alot of guys angry

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Originally Posted by shikotee

If anything, this thread just proves how sad of a state we are in.

First observation - the sheer immaturity.

In essence - Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - How dare they do this to me!
The only way for me to deal with rejection is to lash out.
If I can't enjoy this, then I will try to destroy it.
Would hate to be someone who is in a relationship with you that goes bad...


Second observation - delusional purpose

Did the person of this thread really envision himself as a champion of the opressed? Does this person see the world as black and white?

Historical fact - Hitler never saw himself as evil - he believed that what he was doing was for greater benefit of Germany. He saw himself as a liberator, and not at all as an oppressor.

Do the people who are hooked on Account trading really perceive themselves as the "good guys", and trackers with these types of rules as "opressors"? That is hilarious, and completely dilusional.

There are so MANY trackers out in the digital world people. If you can't understand and respect the rules of one, THEN DON"T JOIN IT! You have so many other choices out there - the world is your oyster!

Plain and simple - the person who posted this is a suck!
When he does not get his way, this is what happens.
People who are glorifying this alleged "rebel" are likely misguided, or have a very shallow set of values.

In contrast, in one of the other similar threads out there, there was one person who posted that really earned my respect. He too had his account banned, but he accepted it, and (and i quote) "took it like a man."
I forget who you are - but kudos to you.

It takes BALLS and GUTS to roll with the punches and keep on going.

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The only immature person here is you. Since you started the Hitler comparison: your type would be his most loyal supporters and never question his rules since he is in charge. Never question the leader!

And for your pathetic male chauvinistic "took it like a man" comment: A person who doesn't stand up for justice and his integrity is a man without balls in my opinion :whistling

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u have banned traders from FST including myself who didn't participate in any other forums and who respected the agreement by not offering your invites or accs on other forums and u r saying that u didn't ban FST members :huh: ?

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well this time i can agree with patriot forever :D u disabled my acct just because someone in the invite tree traded for the acc

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Originally Posted by Invite Rights

The Thread is Just our first Expression For what happened to alot of FST members who contributed to the Tracker and then get aban

We don't Wanna Take your rights in banning anyone but there were alot of Great members who became part of your community and u banned them just because they were invited by Traders or They are Traders

The Thread Was made as amessage to The FTWR staff explaining our disapproval of What they Did

The Tracker is no longer asecret and This Thread will Spread in alot of Forums around The World

You aren't special or Unknown from Now on and your invites and accs will be more traded than before although your decision to remove invites to your tracker and make them by request because that won't stop anyone from getting in if he wants

Any More Unresponsible Acts from you or any other Tracker will only results in other Acts From Us and it won't Be as simple as this one because perhaps the next time we will get the tracker down

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I find it quite impressive that you are declaring war but don't have the balls to do it as yourself, and have to hide behind mults.

war :glag:

In the UK we have a system where the criminal is innocent until proven guilty.

relly? you may wont belive but they have the same thing in israel too..

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Originally Posted by Invite Rights

The Thread is Just our first Expression For what happened to alot of FST members who contributed to the Tracker and then get aban

We don't Wanna Take your rights in banning anyone but there were alot of Great members who became part of your community and u banned them just because they were invited by Traders or They are Traders

The Thread Was made as amessage to The FTWR staff explaining our disapproval of What they Did

The Tracker is no longer asecret and This Thread will Spread in alot of Forums around The World

You aren't special or Unknown from Now on and your invites and accs will be more traded than before although your decision to remove invites to your tracker and make them by request because that won't stop anyone from getting in if he wants

Any More Unresponsible Acts from you or any other Tracker will only results in other Acts From Us and it won't Be as simple as this one because perhaps the next time we will get the tracker down

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A few comments about the post above:
1. It should be in our interest to keep all trackers alive. There are enough ppl of interest who are out to stop file sharing completly, these kind of posts just help to serve thier purpose.

2. You wrote: "will only results in other Acts From Us" and "next time we will get the tracker down"who is US and WE?? who exactly do you think you speak for??

3. The post can be summarized as - Play by MY rules or face the consequences (whatever they may be). Did you ever stop and think that maybe YOU should abide by their rules seeing as they own, run and pay for the tracker?

This is really one of the saddest posts (and threads) I have seen in this and any others File Sharing forums...

Well, I already read entire thread and every single coment form both FST's members and the torrent site staffs and would like to have an opinion about this. I have to admit that my account at the site was disable as well, but not because of that made me angry but still I need better and more reasonable explaination not just " You was invited by a trader ! " it similar with the saying " If your friend is a murderer, than you get a dead penalty as well !"

The action from the site's staff was handle very badly from my point of view. If you know how to make a rule then should know how handle it more intelligent.

I read someone from you staff said he knew someone trade invites or others have more than one account then why not disable those ? Dont even say what you dont know, and if you dont respect your members then dont blame anyone for your lost for any reason.

I dont agree with ..woft said bad thing about RealitY and his staff. It just make me wonder what type of person you are as a Community Rep but not doing your duty. I'm so sorry for you, since you can't realize what Reality and his staff put their effort into this to make it better bittorrent section (I could say the best around) and the one who benefits from it no other except you-bt sites.

Well it does take a lot of guts to do this. That is what i can say.

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I find it quite impressive that you are declaring war but don't have the balls to do it as yourself, and have to hide behind mults.

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First Of all ,I am not Just One ,We are a large Group who was pissed from the current actions made by the FTWR staff for no good Reason ,We are Defending our Rights Because we have offered alot to their community and they banned us for our efforts there and u think we should be happy for that because it's their tracker ??????????????????

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Originally Posted by tdoar

A few comments about the post above:
1. It should be in our interest to keep all trackers alive. There are enough ppl of interest who are out to stop file sharing completly, these kind of posts just help to serve thier purpose.

2. You wrote: "will only results in other Acts From Us" and "next time we will get the tracker down"who is US and WE?? who exactly do you think you speak for??

3. The post can be summarized as - Play by MY rules or face the consequences (whatever they may be). Did you ever stop and think that maybe YOU should abide by their rules seeing as they own, run and pay for the tracker?

This is really one of the saddest posts (and threads) I have seen in this and any others File Sharing forums...

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I have Defined Who We are above

A Top Trader From Our group has informed me that we had an agreement between the FTWR and FST before and that agreement organizes that situation about trading but they broke it and Banned FST members instead

So they have Broke the agreement and we didn't break their rules because there was an agreement between us and we don't tell anyone to play by our rules but they have to respect the words they have given to us

This act won't stop only on this Thread but it may be Extended to other Forums and more aggressive acts from us depending on the next upcoming actions

If they wanna Talk then they can Talk To Our admin in here or they can Talk to Us

Please people prove mature and talk in private, i'm sure you can reach an agreement. Acting in retaliation doesn't help anybody. It's a shame threads like this one appear on public forums.
Just talk behind close doors, I'm sure it would be good for everybody.

@Invite Rights
With 2 posts how can you consider yourself to be the voice of FST and its members as for all this going on it is childish and it a sad day indeed when a post like this gets made.

But I will tell you what if you hate there site so much guess how you can do the most damage don't go back and let them suffer because they lost your bandwith.

But now to speak to all the adults in the forum lets take this to PMs or other means of communication and lock this sad thread.
As for the real goings on of what happened, I don't think anyone knows except for the staff of f*w* and FST.

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@Invite Rights
With 2 posts how can you consider yourself to be the voice of FST and its members as for all this going on it is childish and it a sad day indeed when a post like this gets made.

But I will tell you what if you hate there site so much guess how you can do the most damage don't go back and let them suffer because they lost your bandwith.

But now to speak to all the adults in the forum lets take this to PMs or other means of communication and lock this sad thread.
As for the real goings on of what happened, I don't think anyone knows except for the staff of ftwr and FST.

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We have announced that the FTWR staff can Talk to the Mod in here if they wanna have an agreement and we will accept what our mod says or they can talk to us directly before we can take some more actions

Second:I am not someone with two posts,We are agroup of members with thousands of posts who have been affected by the last actions and for your information,we have made that registered name sothat we can talk from it to u freely and easily

Account and invite traders should be banned from every private tracker, they are the ones that are making a mockery of the invite system... The system is in place to bring in new members whom you trust and believe will be a good addition to the site... not because someone can get you an account to some other site to add to your collection... Invites should be freely given out to people, if you feel that person has something positive to contribute to the site... and account traders are the lowest of the low, and should all be banned from any respectable forum... Remember that these private sites are just that... private, and they are allowed to dictate their own rules, and you should respect their wishes, being on a private tracker is a privilege, not a right... Its their world and your just a visitor... I have lost all respect for FST and its members over the years as i have seem more and more of this account trading and invite trading going on, I feel that FST has just let the users run rampant on the site, and I myself have stopped all together inviting anyone from FST to any private tracker i am at, and it is simply because of this kind of thing....

I really hope that one day the staff at FST will take back control of the forums...

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Originally Posted by DKre8ive1

@Invite Rights
With 2 posts how can you consider yourself to be the voice of FST and its members as for all this going on it is childish and it a sad day indeed when a post like this gets made.

But I will tell you what if you hate there site so much guess how you can do the most damage don't go back and let them suffer because they lost your bandwith.

But now to speak to all the adults in the forum lets take this to PMs or other means of communication and lock this sad thread.
As for the real goings on of what happened, I don't think anyone knows except for the staff of f*w* and FST.

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We have announced that the FTWR staff can Talk to the Mod in here if they wanna have an agreement and we will accept what our mod says or they can talk to us directly before we can take some more actions

Second:I am not someone with two posts,We are agroup of members with thousands of posts who have been affected by the last actions and for your information,we have made that registered name sothat we can talk from it to u freely and easily

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ok I guess I heard you this time since you did type all your lettering in bold=bravery I guess.

And again I will tell the users who felt betrayed by f*w* actions what is the best way to get revenge.

If you hate there site so much guess how you can do the most damage don't go back and let them suffer because they lost your bandwidth and all the other members will have slow downloads.

This my last post on this thread since I am not even part of the staff there and don't want to be dragged into this sad state of affairs.

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Account and invite traders should be banned from every private tracker, they are the ones that are making a mockery of the invite system... The system is in place to bring in new members whom you trust and believe will be a good addition to the site... not because someone can get you an account to some other site to add to your collection... Invites should be freely given out to people, if you feel that person has something positive to contribute to the site... and account traders are the lowest of the low, and should all be banned from any respectable forum... Remember that these private sites are just that... private, and they are allowed to dictate their own rules, and you should respect their wishes, being on a private tracker is a privilege, not a right... Its their world and your just a visitor... I have lost all respect for FST and its members over the years as i have seem more and more of this account trading and invite trading going on, I feel that FST has just let the users run rampant on the site, and I myself have stopped all together inviting anyone from FST to any private tracker i am at, and it is simply because of this kind of thing....

I really hope that one day the staff at FST will take back control of the forums...

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What are you then doing on these forums then?

Account/invite trading, while unpleasant to owners of sites, actually makes them much better. For example- say I want a bitmetv invite. How can I obtain this invite? For one, I will have to offer something good for it- say, FSC and OiNK or the like. If you have invites at FSC/OiNK; you have proven yourself an exceptional member to have invites. Bitmetv will then directly benefit from this experienced user- maybe he ups his own material, has a seedbox, will become a FLS, etc. By just giving out invites, a sucky site will inevitably result. What do you think is the difference between TD and ScT? How do you think ScT would be if they gave out invites (the answer: not very good)

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What are you then doing on these forums then?

Account/invite trading, while unpleasant to owners of sites, actually makes them much better. For example- say I want a bitmetv invite. How can I obtain this invite? For one, I will have to offer something good for it- say, FSC and OiNK or the like. If you have invites at FSC/OiNK; you have proven yourself an exceptional member to have invites. Bitmetv will then directly benefit from this experienced user- maybe he ups his own material, has a seedbox, will become a FLS, etc. By just giving out invites, a sucky site will inevitably result. What do you think is the difference between TD and ScT? How do you think ScT would be if they gave out invites (the answer: not very good)

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In fact, FTWR would even have 500 users if their users would not have broken their own rules. I don't even know anyone who uses bittorrent more than TPB occasionally and they dont know jack sh*t about seeding. These sites' depend on their users breaking their own rules. Mind-boggingly stupidity. :wacko:

So keep trading! You are breaking the sites' rules, they think you are hurting them but you are the reason the sites' even work. No users=no filesharing.