Will the US or Israel attack Iran?

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Originally Posted by bigboab

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Originally Posted by tralalala

P.S (Offtopic) - How long have you had that picture in your sig..? seems to be as long as I can remember :lol:

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Rafi, that is Biggles. I have seen him on a Saturday night in Kilmarnock.:rolleyes:

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I resemble that remark. I hardly ever get guttered in Kilmarnock - the public transport from there is pish.

As to Iran I don't think an attack is likely or sensible. Iran is too big and too much of a lynchpin in the centre of the region. Also I think the Iranian people are less radical than their leaders but an attack would drive them into the arms of people like Ahmadinejad. Why make enemies of a people who yearn to move to more modern society? The nuclear genie is never going to go back into the bottle and attempts to prevent countries owning a full cycle are not going to work. Better Iran joins the nuclear club with full inspections than it does its own thing behind closed doors.

I can't see any immediate resolution to the Palestinian question because the Palestinians themselves can't see an agreed resolution.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

There's a story that The Mossad were responsible for assasinating one of the scientists working on the Iranian nuclear programme. That was about a month ago.

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If I say I'll accept that your story about this story is true without demanding a google, would you mind at all (at all).

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Oh it is a true rumour, I couldn't possibly comment on whether there is any veracity in it.

The source is apparently Stratfor, a Texan private intelligence company. They claim the intelligence comes from well placed sources in Israel.

However the whole thing could be pish, you chose.

Is there any particular reason why the Arabs have yet to get their act together in terms of a military force so they can have a real battle with Israel (as I understand it things kicked off from the moment the Jews were given land within the middle east after WWII and there was a joint effort by the Arabs but it didn't really amount to much)? - Not that a war would be good it just seems strange that Israel has nuclear bombs, planes, tanks and ships and the Arabs have rocks and unguided RPG's.

Is it just the support from America which has tipped the balance or the sanctions imposed by the West that keep the Arabs in check? I guess to a certain extent Jews are associate with wealth (so could have quickly raise the cash to defend themselves but still it's been many years now and the balance is still skewed)?

There is a big fuss about nuclear weapons so why don't the Arabs simply invest in conventional weapons instead (most countries in the West have large military forces so it would be harder to complain plus it seems the likes of Russia are more than willing to pass on equipment)?

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

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Originally Posted by j2k4

If I say I'll accept that your story about this story is true without demanding a google, would you mind at all (at all).

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Oh it is a true rumour, I couldn't possibly comment on whether there is any veracity in it.

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Perhaps Ava could be persuaded?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

...a free-thinking intellectual colossus whose mental emanations are the stuff of light and air.

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Stop it j2, you're making me blush, I've told you before to keep the gushings to PMs.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

You, on the other hand, have opposed me on literally every point I've tried to make during our mutual history here, save a singular agreement about one Bill Gates, which fact, considering your anti-capitalist bent, I marvel over to this very day.

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So I've opposed you ... as opposed to you having opposed me? Cute! Then you stick me with an anti-capitalist label, which is quite a laugh really as I've never, ever, said anything against capitalists or capitalism.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Now, I may be wrong on occasion, more-or-less depending on your political views, but I don't think anyone here would venture that I have been wrong as often as you would have them think.

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I can't say I've actually kept count of the times you were 'wrong', opinions aside, but you do yourself no favours with your constant quoting of Fox News, which is always wrong, biased and with an unashamed right-wing agenda. As you rarely quote the middle ground it would be pointless arguing a middle ground agenda with you, hence the left-wing bias, as you see it.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but you should acknowledge you are aware that that is all they are, and to use them as cudgels is not an apt strategy for influencing others, which is, after all, why we do this, right?

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I find this the most amusing part of all, as you suggest I actually claim my opinions are not opinions at all, but 'truth'. Do you add a rider to your posts pointing out they are only opinions?

So what was the point of this thread j2? Was it just a little whinge because you don't like opposing views? It seems to me that everything you accuse me of I could quite legitimately claim of you, as I'm sure you'd agree. :)

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Originally Posted by SeK612

Is there any particular reason why the Arabs have yet to get their act together in terms of a military force so they can have a real battle with Israel (as I understand it things kicked off from the moment the Jews were given land within the middle east after WWII and there was a joint effort by the Arabs but it didn't really amount to much)? - Not that a war would be good it just seems strange that Israel has nuclear bombs, planes, tanks and ships and the Arabs have rocks and unguided RPG's.

Is it just the support from America which has tipped the balance or the sanctions imposed by the West that keep the Arabs in check? I guess to a certain extent Jews are associate with wealth (so could have quickly raise the cash to defend themselves but still it's been many years now and the balance is still skewed)?

There is a big fuss about nuclear weapons so why don't the Arabs simply invest in conventional weapons instead (most countries in the West have large military forces so it would be harder to complain plus it seems the likes of Russia are more than willing to pass on equipment)?

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Israel gets dosh from the US, just like the Palestinians get dosh from the Saudis or the Iranians. They seem to have huge amounts of Russian weapons (Hezbollah for instance), and they get training in countries like Iran. Why is it STILL skewed? Don't know.. Maybe because all of the wars were raised out of no real reason, thus motivation was in the pits.. That's probably the reason Israel won the Independence war of 1948 - How else could you explain some 200,000 Jews beating some ooohh.. about 5 million Arabs? I'm not even sure those are the right figures.. but what I do know is that there was a HUGE difference in the sizes of the forces.. So I would bank on motivation. The Jews wanted to win the war more than the Egyptians, Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians. That's probably it. From that point onward, each and every war was started as a result of the loss of the previous war. Lost honor.. You pick.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

From that point onward, each and every war was started as a result of the loss of the previous war.

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Israel started the 1967 war, not their neighbours.

It just feels unbalanced I guess. Perhaps that is the medias doing but the news here in Europe shows the Palestinians scrabbling around on one side throwing rocks at tanks and launching sporadic suicide bombings and the Israeli's on the other side retaliating with fighter jets and helicopters.

I guess I'm just curious as to why Israel is so powerful and why the Arabs haven't teamed up together and generally invested in better defenses and weaponry given that most clearly feel that they are in some kind of war (as America helps Israel so readily a backing of the Palestinians from the other Arab nations would be hard to complain about).

As I understand it most of the Arab nations have little or no aircraft or tanks (Saudi Arabia has some F14's and they and Oman are seeking orders for military aircraft from Europe but it's still nothing compare to other nations). A change would probably cause Israel to pause when considering strikes against the Palestinians and stop the US from wading into the middle east (I guess things may have been approached differently in actions such as the Iraq war if Iraq were well defended).

I don't think either side will ever agree on this conflict.

As I understand it, the Arabs were promised all this land (By someone tangible:rolleyes:) if they fought and hunted the Turks out of that part of the Ottoman Empire. The Arab leaders did that but the promise was reneged. Lawrence who made the promise to the Arabs on behalf of the British Government was furious when the promise was not carried out. He was about to expose the reasons why the promise was reneged on when he was mysteriously 'killed' in a motorcycle accident.

So in a sense it is the promised land of the Arabs. It all depends on what parts of history you wish to ignore.:)

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

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Originally Posted by tralalala

From that point onward, each and every war was started as a result of the loss of the previous war.

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Israel started the 1967 war, not their neighbours.

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Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first? :)

Nasser, Egypts PM at the time, kept threatening Israel, and was quoted "If Israel wants war, then Ahalan Wa-Sahalan" (which means let's go for it then).

On top of this, the Egyptian troops were getting ever closer to the Sini border with Israel, Syria were moving their forces down the Golan Heights, and the Jodanian soldier in Jerusalem were getting ready for a strike. So, Israel decided to hit first before getting crushed by all 3 armies. Israel took out the Egyptian air-force, the Syrian troops, and the Jordanians, pushed all 3 armies miles out, and that is the reason Israel entered the "occupied territories". Because Israel had no choice.

Once again, the Arab armies were not ready to fight together, and thus got a taste of their own medicine, and were hit hard. It served them right, there was no reason for a war, so Israel did what it needed to do and finished them off in 6 days.


Off-topic - I keep asking my dad what's so special about 1967 (for a laugh), and he always tells me that's the year Celtic won the European cup :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

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I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

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I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

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I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.:)

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Originally Posted by bigboab

I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.:)

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You think j2 hates America? :O

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

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Originally Posted by bigboab

I think J2 would disagree with that. Did you forget about America.:)

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You think j2 hates America? :O

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No, but he likes them to be the top/bottom of any international tables.:)

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Did you actually bother to check why Israel struck first?

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I don't give a fuck why Israel claim they struck first, you intimated that Israel was attacked in 1967 and they weren't.

The real reason they attacked was the political pressure to colonise the West Bank because of the water aquifers, and the annexation of the whole of Jerusalem.

In spite of the UN resolutions, Israel refuses to leave the illegally occupied territories.

You can put all the spin on that you like, it makes no difference, Israel is the most hated country in the world, and deservedly so.

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Wow who brainwashed you..?
You're giving me speculations from here till tomorrow.. If you want a real good speculation, go watch "Loose Change" about 9/11.

The fact of the matter is that if Israel hadn't struck, they would have lost tens of thousands of troops and civilians. It's obvious that there was a reason. Israel doesn't strike for nothing you know. We'd be happy to give up fighting, it costs us too much.


And I bet you if you had to ask which people prefer - Israel or Palestine, most would pick Israel. Palestine is a totally f***ed up so called "state", with people at the top not giving a toss about people at the bottom. As I have said before, you are too far away to know what they are about. I know that in Oz you barely get a glimpse at what's going on around the Middle East, I have family there, that barely heard of the second Lebanese war, so please.

I've been living in a war for too long, an ongoing conflict I want an end to, but the other side is ignorant (not saying Israel isn't, but unfortunately Arabs see human life as a little worthless thing).

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Originally Posted by tralalala

If you want a real good speculation, go watch "Loose Change" about 9/11.

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That just about sums you up, anyone who'd believe the bollocks from Loose Change would believe the moon was made of green cheese.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

The fact of the matter is that if Israel hadn't struck, they would have lost tens of thousands of troops and civilians.

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Irrelevant, you said you were invaded in 1967, a common lie the Israelis have used for forty years. You can squirm all you like, it was a lie.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

And I bet you if you had to ask which people prefer - Israel or Palestine, most would pick Israel.

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No way, the polls have already been done, Israel was quoted as the most unpopular country in the world. No matter how many polls you look at, Israel is always in the top three hated countries, Palestine never is, the truth is, the world hates you.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

As I have said before, you are too far away to know what they are about. I know that in Oz you barely get a glimpse at what's going on around the Middle East, I have family there, that barely heard of the second Lebanese war, so please.

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More bollocks, you have ignorant family in Australia, so Australia must be too far away ... how old are you? You talk like a six year old. You claim to be 16, if that's true then I've spent more time in the Middle East and Asia than you have, and all as an adult. I've lived among Muslims for many years, something you haven't, so don't waste your breath telling me what they're like. I've also worked in Israel, long before you were born, and have friends who were in the Israeli Special Forces, something you'll never do. With the internet and satellite TV everyone is close to what's going on, how close you live is totally irrelevant, one of the sillier remarks you've made.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

I've been living in a war for too long, an ongoing conflict I want an end to, but the other side is ignorant (not saying Israel isn't, but unfortunately Arabs see human life as a little worthless thing).

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Israelis are the ones who see non Jewish lives as worthless, as you do, your racism is barely below the surface.


You really are full of it, you make outrageous claims and then go quiet when you're proved wrong, like claiming Israel no longer demolish houses, among others. I suggest you either look at both sides or admit you've been brainwashed all your life.

Wow.. someone's a little pissed aren't we? :)

When did I say Israel was invaded? They never were, but were going to be.

The world hates us? So what? I hate Bin Laden.. I hate plenty of people. I hate Kramer from Seinfeld, so? What's that got to do with anything? Just because you hate someone doesn't mean you need to kill 'em like the PA thinks right.

The closer you live does make a difference. The day a suicide bomber bombs himself somewhere near you (and I hope it doesn't happen), you'll understand the difference of being behind a screen and thinking you're close to it, rather than looking straight into the face of it.

Why do you say Israel thinks Jewish lives are worthless? We are the ones handing out hundreds of PA prisoners for 1 or 2 captured soldiers/civilians.. meaning every 1 Jewish life for us is like 500 Arab lives for them. So who thinks it's more worthless?

I haven't gone quiet.. That's why I keep talking back.. that's what a discussion board is for. :)

Brainwashed? We all are. Parents brainwash kids. Governments brainwash people (Nazi Germany ring a bell?).. Everyone is brainwashed, there's no mind in the world clean of brainwashing...

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Originally Posted by tralalala

When did I say Israel was invaded? They never were, but were going to be.

You said every war after 1949 was a reaction to the last defeat.

The closer you live does make a difference. The day a suicide bomber bombs himself somewhere near you (and I hope it doesn't happen), you'll understand the difference of being behind a screen and thinking you're close to it, rather than looking straight into the face of it.

This has nothing to do with being informed, you said that because your ignorant relatives were uninformed all Australians must be.

Why do you say Israel thinks Jewish lives are worthless?

Learn to read ... show me where I said that?

I haven't gone quiet..

Yes you have ... does Israel still demolish Palestinian houses?

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I've had it with you, your racism is coming to the surface and I'm not interested.

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

Stop it j2, you're making me blush, I've told you before to keep the gushings to PMs.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

You, on the other hand, have opposed me on literally every point I've tried to make during our mutual history here, save a singular agreement about one Bill Gates, which fact, considering your anti-capitalist bent, I marvel over to this very day.

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So I've opposed you ... as opposed to you having opposed me? Cute! Then you stick me with an anti-capitalist label, which is quite a laugh really as I've never, ever, said anything against capitalists or capitalism.

As to the question of who is opposing whom, I would assert that whoever shows up last in a thread is the opposer.

I would further posit that, nine times out of ten, I post before you do...that makes you the opposer.

Feel free to check it out.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Now, I may be wrong on occasion, more-or-less depending on your political views, but I don't think anyone here would venture that I have been wrong as often as you would have them think.

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I can't say I've actually kept count of the times you were 'wrong', opinions aside, but you do yourself no favours with your constant quoting of Fox News, which is always wrong, biased and with an unashamed right-wing agenda. As you rarely quote the middle ground it would be pointless arguing a middle ground agenda with you, hence the left-wing bias, as you see it.

While you're confirming my above-stated assertions, you may as well tot up the number of times I actually have quoted Fox News; you will find, I'm guessing, that it would be something less than once or twice out of every ten times I quote anything at all.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but you should acknowledge you are aware that that is all they are, and to use them as cudgels is not an apt strategy for influencing others, which is, after all, why we do this, right?

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I find this the most amusing part of all, as you suggest I actually claim my opinions are not opinions at all, but 'truth'. Do you add a rider to your posts pointing out they are only opinions?

If, while you are attempting to prove my other points wrong, you count the occurrences of the phrases "I think...", or " I believe...", or even "In my opinion...", you will find my posts rife with them.

I challenge you to find, oh, let's set the bar really low...let's say, five instances where you've used any such words, in the entire archive or your posting.

So what was the point of this thread j2? Was it just a little whinge because you don't like opposing views? It seems to me that everything you accuse me of I could quite legitimately claim of you, as I'm sure you'd agree. :)

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What is the point of your question?

If you'll check, this is not even my thread.

I merely wanted to point out that you are wrong as to your own counter-assertions in answering my posts here, and I believe I can safely say that is fact, and not just my opinion. ;)

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Originally Posted by j2k4

What is the point of your question?

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Careful j2, your slip is showing! :lol:

Hey Ava.. would've answered earlier but internet screwed up for some reason.


You're right you said Non-Jewish lives... but that's not true. Israel are the ones trying to target militants and not civilians.. When was the last time you saw a Palestinian militant NOT hide behind a civilian and actually target a soldier....?

This picture roughly sums that one up: http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9...weenanijq1.jpg

Ignorant relatives? They were worried sick.. And tried to get as much info. as they could.. But for instance they said hardly any news program shows anything about Iran nowadays...


Every war after 1949 was a result of the Arabs losing in the previous one.. that's what I meant.

And Israel hasn't demolished houses in a while now since there's no reason to it. They demolished houses of suicide bombers and their family.. Roughly an eye for an eye thing.. They ruined families in Israel, so we screw theirs up.. In a way it's not on.. We should act better, but when so many do it, it's hard to keep quiet.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

You're right you said Non-Jewish lives... but that's not true. Israel are the ones trying to target militants and not civilians.. When was the last time you saw a Palestinian militant NOT hide behind a civilian and actually target a soldier....?

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Again, untrue. If Israeli soldiers don't use human shields, why did the Israeli High Court ban the practise in 2005?

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Ignorant relatives? They were worried sick.. And tried to get as much info. as they could.. But for instance they said hardly any news program shows anything about Iran nowadays...

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Iran, Israel, Palestine, etc., is on the news and current affairs programs here EVERY day, including a dedicated news channel in at least 20 different languages, as much as any other country, and that's free to air TV. Satellite TV here has at least a dozen news channels from all over the world.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Every war after 1949 was a result of the Arabs losing in the previous one.. that's what I meant.

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That still implies that Israel was invaded in 1967, it also ignores the Israeli attack on Egypt in 1956.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

And Israel hasn't demolished houses in a while now since there's no reason to it. They demolished houses of suicide bombers and their family.. Roughly an eye for an eye thing..

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This is just not true, as I've pointed out to you before, read this site, run by Israelis. Most demolitions are carried out to build roads to settlements and for 'security' areas around settlements, ALL of which are illegal.

The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions

List of Demolitions

Israeli soldiers demolished homes in three Palestinian villages near bypass road 317 on 14 February, the Christian Peacemaker Team reports. Starting in Imneizil at around 9am about forty Israeli soldiers with two bulldozers demolished one home, an animal pen and a stone bake-oven. At noon the soldiers moved to Qawawis where they demolished the homes of five families and one bake-oven, then on to Um Al-Kher where they demolished one home and damaged a wall of another home.

At Imneizil several young children were in their home eating when the Israeli military arrived; the soldiers gave the family time to get out, but did not give them time to remove their personal belongings. The animal pen was demolished with a few animals inside; two lambs were injured. The Palestinian family began immediately to build a makeshift pen for the animals as the majority of the sheep were just returning from grazing in the fields.

In the village of Qawawis one of the demolished homes was over sixty-five years old, and sheltered two families.

How the hell can that imply they were invaded?! My god you can't understand that Israel attacked the other armies before they attacked them.. How the hell can you understand from those single words that Israel was invaded? I never even used the word invade/invaded.. :huh:

Just because you get all those channels doesn't mean you're not being brainwashed, does it? :) Even if not, I'm sure it gives you only one side of the story.

Israeli soldiers attack militants. Palestinian militants attack civilians AND soldiers. It's as simple as that. If Israel didn't have to worry about attacking civilians, I'm positive there wouldn't have been a Palestine... from way back over 40 years ago. But it's just a known fact Israel is more humane.

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Originally Posted by tralalala

How the hell can that imply they were invaded?! My god you can't understand that Israel attacked the other armies before they attacked them.. How the hell can you understand from those single words that Israel was invaded? I never even used the word invade/invaded.. :huh:

Just because you get all those channels doesn't mean you're not being brainwashed, does it? :) Even if not, I'm sure it gives you only one side of the story.

Israeli soldiers attack militants. Palestinian militants attack civilians AND soldiers. It's as simple as that. If Israel didn't have to worry about attacking civilians, I'm positive there wouldn't have been a Palestine... from way back over 40 years ago. But it's just a known fact Israel is more humane.

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Israel more humane? What a sick joke that is, last July you dropped cluster bombs on Lebanese civilians, killing over 1,000 of them, humane my arse!

Israeli soldiers regularly torture and kill children, there is video of them breaking bones of kids.

Video of Israeli soldiers breaking the bones of kids ..

[youtube]F3sYEIABIkA[/youtube]

You're cracking up now, and again refuse to answer points you have been proven wrong about.

Human shields? Demolishing houses? You argue against invasions!

I've told you before, and you can believe what you like, Western media is, on the whole, immensely biased towards Israel, not the other way round.

Israel is a pariah state, murderers and torturers, in violation of every convention of human rights.

Can you think of any other way to fight back at Hezbollah, who were hiding inside civilian houses? Give me a break, please, you keep talking as if the Palestinians are the most amazing people in the world. They are people who cannot get enough of themselves, until they are slapped hard in the face to bring them back to reality.

You think that video is amazing.. How about all those videos of militants chopping off heads? eh?

Human shields - Were not used as shields. They were used to help find out where the militants were hiding (and what a surprise, they were hiding in civilian houses). Demolishing houses - The houses that were demolished (WERE), belonged to people who frankly should not be allowed to breathe our air.


You seem to think I and my people do not deserve to live or speak. You seem to me like a person who would gladly wipe Israel off the map. You seem to me like most of the extreme-left wingers, which will give the Arabs everything, pay them, give them more and more money, and see what they do with it.. You seem to me like someone who will wake up only when Iran decides to bomb Australia.. Or when a Muslim decides that Australians are too western for him, and he'll go kill some with a bomb.


Honestly, it's just a matter of time.


P.S: I may have been a bit blatant, but I've really been pissed off by the fact you think Israel are the people who need to pack up and leave because they are the most horrible people in the world. I feel the worst people are the ones who aren't willing to come over and try living in such a situation with rockets flying over our heads and people who could explode within seconds in our buses, schools, malls etc.

Oh and another thing.. The people in that video you claim to be Israeli soldiers.. are in fact not.

The reason being:
1) Soldiers in the Israeli army, either have their weapon in hand, or round the front. Those people have the weapons at the back.
2) They have not had haircuts.. In the Israeli army soldiers MUST have their hair cut right down.. Unlike the people in that video.
3) They don't even look Israeli.. They look more Arab..

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Originally Posted by tralalala

Oh and another thing.. The people in that video you claim to be Israeli soldiers.. are in fact not.

The reason being:
1) Soldiers in the Israeli army, either have their weapon in hand, or round the front. Those people have the weapons at the back.
2) They have not had haircuts.. In the Israeli army soldiers MUST have their hair cut right down.. Unlike the people in that video.
3) They don't even look Israeli.. They look more Arab..

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Uh-oh, Ava...mind your slip.

This conversation is over as far as I'm concerned. You just keep on making excuses, and telling lies and bullshit, now you accuse me of every kind of crap.

You carry on in your nasty little world, Iran will have nukes soon, they'll give them to Hezbollah, then you'll all get what's coming to you. Peace is in the hands of Israel, who go out of their way to prevent it. If you get wiped out it will be your own fault.

Don't bother replying to this, I've had all the crap from you I can take.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Uh-oh, Ava...mind your slip.

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If you believe that crap j2 then you're as bad as him, these videos are everywhere, it is well documented, they are Israeli soldiers.

Did you answer ilw yet? Another j2 fuck up. Ice sheets crashing into the sea are a sign of GROWTH! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How can you prove they are Israeli? Just because Al-Jazeera say they are, means it's true..?
All I accuse you of is not taking in the whole story so you can possibly make up your mind after seeing the WHOLE story.. I'm not here to annoy anyone or make someone feel like they hate me for arguing.. I think this conversation went pretty well, it was interesting, and now I can see what your views on the situation are :)

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Originally Posted by Ava Estelle

You carry on in your nasty little world, Iran will have nukes soon, they'll give them to Hezbollah, then you'll all get what's coming to you. Peace is in the hands of Israel, who go out of their way to prevent it. If you get wiped out it will be your own fault.

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I think that's a bit over over the line.

I hope the mods feel the same way.

That's why I tried to soothe the conversation with my last post.. But I'm cool with it.. Ava is not the only person in the world that thinks we'll get bombed, or should get bombed.


I guess that's just life...


How are you j2k4? :)

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Originally Posted by tralalala

That's why I tried to soothe the conversation with my last post.. But I'm cool with it.. Ava is not the only person in the world that thinks we'll get bombed, or should get bombed.


I guess that's just life...


How are you j2k4? :)

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I'm fine, thanks for asking.

Hope you are well, too, Rafi.

Am indeed :) Waiting eagerly for the next phase in me getting into the IDF..

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Originally Posted by tralalala

How can you prove they are Israeli? Just because Al-Jazeera say they are, means it's true..?
All I accuse you of is not taking in the whole story so you can possibly make up your mind after seeing the WHOLE story.. I'm not here to annoy anyone or make someone feel like they hate me for arguing.. I think this conversation went pretty well, it was interesting, and now I can see what your views on the situation are :)

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Remember he also has the Executive Intelligence Review to rely upon. :naughty:

Riiiiiight.. Forgot about that...

Yes

One day.

No thinking person would want to live in an area near Iran if those idiots get hold of nuclear weapons. They would not only be mad enough to use them, but it would be easy for them to pass them on to other gorups.

I am very dissapointed at the gutless words of the UN and the International watchdog (IEA) and the Germans and the Russians and the Chinese for doing and saying nothing because they are selling heaps of stuff to Iran.

It would not take much, just a few big bombs on 2 or 3 of their nuclears sites, to know them back for a few years. Give them a weeks warning to stop right now.

Regards

Digby

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Originally Posted by digmen1

Yes

One day.

No thinking person would want to live in an area near Iran if those idiots get hold of nuclear weapons. They would not only be mad enough to use them, but it would be easy for them to pass them on to other gorups.

I am very dissapointed at the gutless words of the UN and the International watchdog (IEA) and the Germans and the Russians and the Chinese for doing and saying nothing because they are selling heaps of stuff to Iran.

It would not take much, just a few big bombs on 2 or 3 of their nuclears sites, to know them back for a few years. Give them a weeks warning to stop right now.

Regards

Digby

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On what particular basis are you bombing this Country.

Will you be declaring war first or just bombing them.

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Originally Posted by digmen1

Yes

One day.

No thinking person would want to live in an area near Iran if those idiots get hold of nuclear weapons. They would not only be mad enough to use them, but it would be easy for them to pass them on to other gorups.

I am very dissapointed at the gutless words of the UN and the International watchdog (IEA) and the Germans and the Russians and the Chinese for doing and saying nothing because they are selling heaps of stuff to Iran.

It would not take much, just a few big bombs on 2 or 3 of their nuclears sites, to know them back for a few years. Give them a weeks warning to stop right now.

Regards

Digby

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So lets bomb all nuclear sites not approved by the UN.:)
This would include the sites in Israel and North Korea. Would you agree to that?

Don't be so bloody silly. If you bomb a nuclear site you are spreading radioactive material over a large area, a bit like Chernobyl. Do you really want that to happen. Or is it a case of NIMBY?

NIMBY = Not In My Back Yard ? :)