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agreed :yup: beside there are places like that doesn't mean FST has to be one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewie
Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AugustoP
Please explain what gives FST the right to flip the bird and say 'stuff you' to sites that are offering a filesharing service, when one of FST's main purposes is to promote and encourage said service.
i personally think its very bad, just think if there were no account trading, only invite trading, no one would have more than one accounts (because why would u have 2 accounts when no1 account trades), then the accounts on sites would be spread out more.
the only reason people have 2 accounts on a site is to trade one of them! which is bullshit because for every person that has 2, there is one person who want one with none...
fair enough invite trading is also bad, but at least people will use the site respectably. also people will have the user name they want because every1 is only sending invites, as oppose to accounts.
so.... STOP ACCOUNT TRADING!!!
IF YOU ASK ME FST SHOULD BAN ACCOUNT TRADING ALL TOGETHER.
No *rights* required in internet, just a desire to do things your way. If you feel that tracker rules are too strict (e.g. most of them don't allow invite trading and giveawys) you can run a site which doesn't enforce them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChewieWhy is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AugustoP
Please explain what gives FST the right to flip the bird and say 'stuff you' to sites that are offering a filesharing service, when one of FST's main purposes is to promote and encourage said service.
Altough I traded some accounts I really think that Invites are the way to go.
At this time gmail must be filled with mail accounts created just for one tracker. :frusty:
one mail per tracker is not a good thing.
Just to quote Znik again:
You risk your rep and your invite tree by accepting accounts. From what I've seen here and and from experience, getting an account even if it's a freebie does more harm than good.Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
/edit: See sear's link above for prime example of receiving a "free" account.
I think the real question is why should you feel compelled to abide by rules on your forums you had/have no hand in creating?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChewieWhy is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by AugustoP
Please explain what gives FST the right to flip the bird and say 'stuff you' to sites that are offering a filesharing service, when one of FST's main purposes is to promote and encourage said service.
I hope this isn't just yet another silly attempt to suck up to tracker staff. I still smile when I remember Skizo showing up in FTN's support channel demanding we give him an invite or he'll remove FTN's url protection here. (Now there's a threat to make them quake in their boots!)
If FST wants to continue to be unique, it should remain as it is. Also, I disagree wholeheartedly that it's in anyone's interest, other than to tracker staff, to be able to track us efficiently. We have seen gross incompetence and outright treachery from many respected trackers; I see no reason to trust them to treat our identities with care. Remember FTWR's purge several months ago? With efficient account tracking, other trackers may easily have followed their lead and blindly banned the same members.
It would be hypocritical to expect our members to follow our Board Rules while at the same time encouraging them to ignore those of other sites, particularly those that are directly related to FST's main content and purpose. There's enough irony in the fact that trackers have sharing rules regarding their exclusive content when that itself is not theirs in the first place; I don't think we need to add to that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RoarkI think the real question is why should you feel compelled to abide by rules on your forums you had/have no hand in creating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewie
Not at all.Quote:
I hope this isn't just yet another silly attempt to suck up to tracker staff.
FST has members and staff with differing views; this is good for all concerened as it helps keep a balance where those views are discussed.
I created the poll in the hope that it would become a thread where all can put their views and some may see the other point of view.
It's true that I don't agree with account trading and also that I view invites as something to be shared with personal friends (both RL and virtual :lol:) rather than someone with x number of public posts under a fake name.
Well we're not about to tar all trackers with the same brush and lock out ibslice, melvin, wb, DV8type, brandon, JGG et al, merely because Oink have a ridiculously touchy cheat detection script or previous rabbit staffers' tree-banning exploits.Quote:
If FST wants to continue to be unique, it should remain as it is. Also, I disagree wholeheartedly that it's in anyone's interest, other than to tracker staff, to be able to track us efficiently. We have seen gross incompetence and outright treachery from many respected trackers; I see no reason to trust them to treat our identities with care. Remember FTWR's purge several months ago? With efficient account tracking, other trackers may easily have followed their lead and blindly banned the same members.
I like the ability to offer a level of protection to our members against known cheaters and scammers. We can easily contact a dozen top trackers with information of a scammer and receive details to disable their other accounts here gives me satisfaction. Satisfaction to know that a scammer has lost his prize & some other tracker accounts and satisfaction in knowing that scammers and cheaters will think twice about shafting FST members in the first place.
This is something we cannot achieve if we stand proud but alone outside the BT community.
Was there a final outcome on this?
Is there a discussion between FST & tracker staff taking place at all?
Will there be a review of policies when all parties have been canvassed of their views?
The sooner the majority view is acted upon, the better, imo of course.
i think is good where the site is full. is an opurtunity for other to use the tracker.
in this way i can my shar acc with my friends.
It's even worse than invite trading.
Definitely bad for many reasons, the only justification is if the site is closed for invites and even then its still not a good idea.
I voted for "not sure" because aside from the obvious drawback of trading (it means breaking the tracker rules, after all) there can be advantages as well.
Say you have an account you don't use (anymore) at a tracker that runs close to its user-limit or doesn't have any invites available. You don't help the tracker if you don't participate and you have taken someone else's slot who might have been active. Trading an account like this can be beneficial to three parties: you (because you get something in return), the tracker (because it gains one more active member) and the other users of that tracker (because one more member means one more to seed to or leech from).
The same with buffered accounts. Creating them took the seeding away from other users who might've been struggling because of it. The only reason for a largely buffered account is to slowly use that buffer up and that in turn can help other users maintain their own ratios.
There's no obvious drawback of trading on the first look, trading accounts has the same risks as trading or giving out invites after all. There's always the chance that you invite someone who gets banned for cheating or other reasons and the same is true for traders.
There is of course one large and very global problem caused by account trading. It wouldn't matter if a single person does this or a very small group - but trading accounts has become so popular that it influences the day-to-day business of trackers. Many offered accounts come with large buffers and I cannot imagine that those were built for other reasons than for trading the account away. So, what happens daily is that a multitude of people use their expensive seedboxes to create some TB buffer and influence the whole tracker community with it. While this power-seeding may result in faster downloads for the single user, I believe it to be harmful in the long run. This is in my opinion the main and only drawback of trading but not because of the concept but because of the popularity.
the best things in life are free....
my opinion
i have never traded an account and i never will if i dont use it anymore i give it away for free as dreamtracker would say :)
I would never trade an account or give one away....I would rather the account get deleted naturally as i have done with many already.
By trading an account or giving it away you are breaking the rules of that site but more than this you are disrespecting and abusing the person who invited you. You don't really know where that account would end up....it may be traded on 3 or 4 times and end up with a cheater. Who gets the blame for that...not one of the traders but the only decent person - the one who gave the invite in the first place.
This is why some people, including myself are wary about giving invites to anyone who may be a trader. The invite/account is not a commodity. It is for your use only!!!
Very Bad
You couldn't say this better... I just need to completely agree with you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ghurka
yes, and i love your signatureQuote:
Originally Posted by ghurka
Was there any point in this poll after all?
And it was started by FST Staff.
I vote bad. The complete order from bad to worst is:
1) Trading invites
2) Trading accounts
3) Stealing accounts
/agreed !
i stop trading
I agree :yup: :yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by seppypom
Bad Bad Bad Bad I Don't Like It Really
i think so bad
may be account get ban like oink or sct or nb
Very very bad.
Yes it was to show a general feeling on the subject. It shows that the majority of people here DO NOT agree with trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtMajor
Of course it is bad, it is how accounts get disabled.
Bad,trading anything is bad just be a fun loving hippy and give your love away :)
IMO - trading is no worse than giving invites for FREE to people you do not know.
almost 90% of bitmetv's ratio cheats, traders, hackers come from FST forums.
most are actually NOT traders - but ratio cheats.
If you are going to even GIVE an invite.. think VERY carefully who you may be giving it to.
Both trading and giving free invites put things at risk equally.
My account at bitmetv got disabled. It seems an entire invite tree got deleted. I never trade and have mainly given away invites to people I've felt are deserving.
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...ck-time-201236
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...e2#post2112604
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...te-need-194332
Getting back into bitmetv would be virtually impossible as I'm a non-trader.
I feel sorry for the guy (saulin) who invited me and sent me an invite for nothing in return.
Ya its not a good idea , what about the poor saps you invited under your account ? I might do it for a member I really trusted like Zapjb or someone from the lounge , or a mod from here for that matter but thats about it .
As some said , invites fill that purpose .
its bad period, measures are being taken to stop account trading. not going to go in to them here, but one way or the other they will be stopped
Its not good to trade ..its bad, but you've got to trade if you want something that the others cant have :(
really bad thing to trade accs, but in extreme situation we must use it :cry:,
but then how could u get u** without acc trading :lol:, kidding
Bad Bad Bad :angry::angry::angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chewie
Trading is what made the western society mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by mievmo
As for account trading, i don't really care.
I've never done it, and probably never will.
my opinion. do what you do. if your a trader then trade. if your not then dont. this of course is just my opinion. both have there own set of consequences. im not gonna tell traders not to trade anymore though because obviously there isnt a damn thing that i have to say that really makes a difference. ill just get told like i always am. "its your opinon. exactly all it is YOUR OPINION. keep it to yourself and stop spammin". like that everytime. almost verbatim. so my advise like i said earlier do what you do and deal with it. im done.
i put no i dont like trading but if i really want an account i will i hate ppl that trade for the sake of trading too get higher and higher level trackers i am looking for one more account then i stop trading for good and thats sct i wud love too get this for free but i see that this is never gonna happen so i have too trade