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Never told U to go back. I just shared my view on it and thanked U for sharing Your opinion with us. Where did U read me asking U to go back? Never. I guess U have just more knowledge on these issues and U know this Torrent - society better than I do. It is not wrong to learn from the well-informed...:).Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
Do you know why znik has wrote this? because he's bcc member by himself. His jus mad of that i made a NB invite giveaway at Bit-Esc and i didn't pick-uk him because i didn't want to give invites to Bcc members. He just got mad of that. And anyway one bcc member betrayed me (i don't mention the name) and i told about that in the forum and no wll the bcc members got pissed of that, because they don't believe me.
you know....this whole situation sickens me on a number of levels.
This is almost sociopathic on a number of levels.... It has a predatory feel to it.
Of this I refer to this individual who tried to draw in sincere and giving people who only wanted to do the right thing, with the end result being to try and take their freely given invites only to turn around and use it for personal gain. This PE person is a real jerk, and anyone who thinks like him and trys to act like him is a jerk also.
ps thanks for the words of respect znik. it really meant a lot for me to read that. I think highly of you here as a role model.
antitrader problems :frusty:
apparently you are not so saint as you looked like
You just made me laugh! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ROFL-LOL
I am already a Norbits member and I was invited by Vidde (who is a NB staff member there), loooong ago... :rolleyes:
Vidde could confirm you that.
I have no need for your invites my friend AND I NEVER ASKED ONE...
I have been a memeber of BitESC since it's very beginning, and I just liked the people, the community, and to that sharing invites, I was never approached by PabloEscobar about any high level tracker invites. However, the evidence is quite strong, especially the one provided by TCD004, I never knew that anything shady was going on, but right now I don't know what to think. I still like the people at BitESC very much and have developed and bond between them. As to saying that giving invites to high trackers was an entry ticket I must disagree, as yes, PMs were sent etc. etc. but did TCD004 get banned because he didn't send him an FTN invite, no.
Many members were recruited who didn't have any high level trackers, one, whoes name I won't mention, had OiNK as the highest rated tracker, but had good stats on the low level trackers, and was known and liked, so he joined. The only evidence you have is the PM, but, you didn't have to give any invites, you were just expected to share if you wanted to be a respected member, nobody got banned because they didn't give high level invites at the beginning, only because they were invite leeches or traders.
Overall, I think that yes, PE might have been a little to aggresive about asking for invites, but nobody got banned for it, so why be making a big deal out of it, and there is no policy that only high level owners could join, so that statement isn't supported by evidence, and as to shady connection of PE, it's just ur word nothing else.
As to BitESC being a bunch of traders who just want high level trackers for free, I don't know about that, I agree that the fact that ROFL-LOL and PE turned avid anti-traders only when the site opened was strange, and on that your accusitions might be true, but you can't generalize, quoting one of your statements on our forum, and can't blame the whole BitESC, I have never been a trader, and always been pro sharing. You can't judge the community by two members, who, btw, didn't pick up almost any invites at BitESC, one NB for Pablo, and that just might be it. And what that FTN is saught after, if he's such a trader he could get it that way, why make a site, maintain it for 3 months, just to get a damn FTN invite?
I kind of agree with ROFL-LOL, a BCC memeber, however not znik, jumped on the NB giveaway as soon as it appeared even though it was his second post, even though he was a member since the beginning, and ROFL-LOL refused the invites because he said he didn't trust BCC members
I hope the member that have or are considering leaving can reconsider and see through znik's accusitions, much of which are unsupported with clear evidence
//Mike
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Originally Posted by znikYou just made me laugh! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ROFL-LOL
I am already a Norbits member and I was invited by Vidde (who is a NB staff member there), loooong ago... :rolleyes:
Vidde could confirm you that.
I have no need for your invites my friend...
ROFL-LOL and MikeChrobot if you are happy there nobody make pressure on you to leave Bit-Esc...
I have to agree with znik and need to say, that he is right. I liked the people there as well... But if the "management" of Bit-Esc is fake, it is no point to stay there for me... And you can trust me, that you will see later some more proofs about Bit-Esc... I prefer to stay here between traders, but still i will stay AntiTrader/NonTrader...
i am a member too but i like FST more..
I missed you here KevinGarnet... :D I can't imagine any threads without your comments...
^ LOL, me neither. They are almost as constructive as mine.
Anyone want to join a "real"anti-trading crew pm me guys.
i am or was a bit-esc member; yes, i was asked to provide ratios in order to join, but i was never foolish enough to invite anyone from there or give them access to my accounts
LOL Are you joking now ? One member just mentiod here (he wasn't talking about Bit-Esc), that for one AntiTrading crew you need high level tracker invite to join... He was speaking about your crew !!! So rather please stop spamming with your crew, or i will ask him to post here the proofs, how you are asking him for ScT and FTN invite as a entering ticket to your "real" crew...Quote:
Originally Posted by jeter
mikechrobot you don't know a lot of things. Do you think all the Com. Reps abandoned that place because they didn't get an invite from ROFL-LOL?
Don't you think that they know something better than you and me?
Why do you think that even the all mighty Brandon refused an ftn to Pablo when he asked him? Why wouldn't he invite him right away if he was trustworthy?
Why do you think that the FTWR admin, who was also recruited, never posted a single post at the new BitESC forum? Why didn't he offer an FTWR invite to Pablo and why did he ban ROFL-LOL from his tracker?
Why did PabloEscobar offer a VIP rank to Sylar? Maybe because he got from Sylar some of his valuable ivnites to the Hungarian trackers, where Sylar is one of the pioneers?
Yes, it is true that some recruited members who didn't offer or didn't have to offer an FTN or FTWR invite to Pablo were NOT finally excluded.
Don't you think however that if THAT was the case these members would immediately publicize the truth?
Out of all the recruited members, some of them would finally bite the bait and would offered a rare invite to Pablo and his subordinates that couldn't get by trading.
Yes, there were also nice BitESC members who didn't have higly rated accounts. They were nominated though by other sincere BitESC members.
I never said that all the BitESC members were insincere.
As far as the NB giveaway, as I said, I never asked an invite and not even 1 single other invite while I was a member there from any other member. On the contrary, I offered invites.
If I well remember, the winners of the NB giveaway were you mikechrobot and PabloEscobar.
When a BCCer asked 1 of the NB invites offered, RoFL-LOL started some conspiracy theories about the BCC members, that they were the ones responsible for his banned traded account on the FTWR tracker.
I asked RoFL-LOL to give away the 1remaining invite to some other BitESC member that wasn't also a BCC member.
He preferred to give it away here on FST, asking for 3high leveled ratio proofs, in order to recruit new BitESC members as he admited inside the BItESC, since he also played the role of a Mod there.
Wow, I honestly had no idea, that torrenting world was so full of dramas and intrigues.
it is definitely filled with unnecessary drama
I never protected Pablo, and yes, in many aspects you are right, but I'm just saying that you shouldn't generalize, and shouldn't say things like giving high level invites was the entry ticket, and I never said that you not getting NB was the reason, just that your fellow BCC friend Night0wl decided to ask for it as his 2nd post. By no means am I saying that you are not right, because u know a lot, so do i, and yes, a lot of reason are opting behind ur thoughts, I just don't think you should blame BitESC, talk about the bad members, not the whole community, that's all that i want, as I have never done anything wrong, or planned this shit, if it was planned :P
mikechrobot read znik's posts and you will see, that he never said this... P.E. asked after sign up all the FTN members if they can send him invite... And b4 they joined he asked for profile links... That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikechrobot
uhm we are not looking for members who just started to torrent around, we are looking to form a community around people with ELITE status and knowledgeable ideas/opinons/ take that as me "trying to get high trackers" as i have the trackers i will use for the most part. Post your proofs and expose my group, im sure the people in are statisfied of the activity and how community-oriented we are. At least I wasn't the "group" that let one past by me, part of the recruitment process is not letting a rogue get in how i determine this? For one high trackers tells me you can follow the rules be respectable settle down and not jump at every chance of an invite. Once again post your proofs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCD004LOL Are you joking now ? One member just mentiod here (he wasn't talking about Bit-Esc), that for one AntiTrading crew you need high level tracker invite to join... He was speaking about your crew !!! So rather please stop spamming with your crew, or i will ask him to post here the proofs, how you are asking him for ScT and FTN invite as a entering ticket to your "real" crew...Quote:
Originally Posted by jeter
Regards,
Jeter
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Originally Posted by th0r
I too was a bit-esc member I was told to be careful and in the last 3 days or so I have been having second thoughts, and this whole affair is for me the nail in the coffin.
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Originally Posted by Presto
yeah..this story should be made a movie..good storyline..
Actually I have NEVER been asked for profile links. And Pablo never asked for Hungarian Trackers - invite either. Never to himself. These are facts.
Don't we just overkill here a little bi?I guess everybody concerned in this matter has to make up her/his mind. Simple as that. There are pro and con arguments to be considered.
fst should be made into one of those over-produced mtv shows for those undeserving brats, there already is tons of material here!Quote:
Originally Posted by marksman
it is just a secret trading forum, mom; god! you never understand me!
this is true, what jeter says. Sometimes you need to know that this person is not brand new, and that they are not just wanting to join a seperate group just for the purpose of grabbing a whole bunch of invites for themselves.
I see great value and benefit in giving invites in a more private venue. For one thing, some trackers themselves say you cannot give away on open forums so in this regard you must follow their rules. Also, privacy like this allows you to better know the person and make sure they are honourable and will be a good member of the community. Membership is a privilege and needs to be treated properly. The open forum can be such a minefield. I see many many examples of people creating false accounts, and promising to use the invite for their personal use and then trade it away when it serves their purpose.
It is unfortunate that disrepute has come down on a group that came together for good reasons. But I still think the principle is a very good one, and of course, who should be considered as a member must first be established that they have good intentions. When you think about it, how else can we measure that someone is honest, sincere and trustworthy. One way is that they have been able to obtain membership in well-regarded sites. If they are a good standing member of a number of these decent sites, than this of course can be considered a good reference.
REally, when you think of it.....would you invite someone it to be part of an inner circle of high level/quality accounts and their claim to experience is a few months in at Demonoid!! (I can tease this way as I belong to this tracker too!!).
my two cents anyways....just so people do not get to hot under the collar because people need some background checks first!!
Sorry if this is confusing...
Wow, I am so glad I left right after the BCC members left (was only a member for 1 day). I can't take all this drama.
Try Welcome to the scene. I hope they'll made an episode about sceners fighting p2p'ers.Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
Ok.. where does the truth lie? I thought sharing crews were for the fst community not for themselves? Now all these posts. Traders do give some great giveaways so we should all just be cool n stop tryin to hustle each other.. Are we not all a community here?
Didnt even know that thier was crews out there lol.. Doesnt that still make it trading even though its supposidly anti-trade? I dunno my head hurts after reading 7 pages lol.
This is just a poser anti-trade "crew", trying to leech off of the success of others.
Believe me, in the real ones, we actually are anti-trade :P
Just to clarify NightOwl is me and I have been on vacation (many members here can vouch for that) and for quite a few weeks before that I was busy with other stuff. By all means look at my activity here as well. It took a severe drop somewhere early July.
That Norbits invite was a good way of testing the waters after the whole PabloEscobar incident to see how things were, and guess who was the one to post that "only two posts blah blah". It sure wasn't the one offering the invites. Any small doubt I might have had before that were wiped instantly. Especially the mentioning of rarity levels in an "anti-trading" forum.
P.S. I had posts at the old forum as well. Ever thought of maybe taking those into account Pablo? Oh and one of the first things I did was hook someone (was it ROFL-LOL?) up with Pedros since noone could help him with E****. That account was deleted for inactivity, guess it wasn't high enough level for someone of that stature.
P.P.S. I don't want to start some bitchfight here. This was just to clarify some things.
Let's not make this a Bit-ESC v BCC thing so there's no real need to clarify points irrelevant to the OP. It's just bait for more drama... (stop biting the bait Blue_Skies (NightOwl) ;))
Basically, znik is just warning potential Bit-ESC recruits saying
"How much trust can you place in a so called anti-trade site run by a shady Admin/SysOp?"
The rest of the community might be fine but if the guy running the show is dodgy then... well... znik's warned you all and it's your choice whether or not to take his advice or not.
Sorry for taking the bait.
Group hug everyone :hug:
Just another proof that those so called anti traders are just bull crap.
they just here to advertise and over hype their sites hosted on free www. what a joke..
Actually it didn't deleted because of inactivity. I deleted it because i hate trackers which has waiting time.:PQuote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Skies
But i'm stopping now defencing pablo and bit-esc, because now it looks like that he closed the site because he don't want that we could fuck off to him, i quess. Please don't trash my nick anymore. I admit that you bcc members were right. A apoligize that i never doubt you.
Sorry.
Now that is some funny shit :lol: the least he could do is front up and fight for his honour. Jesus this is ridiculous little kids, now he's shut the site. This is beyond a joke what kind of crew is that. Honestly at least have some balls ffs.
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The site is seriously closed? That seems odd, this one thread made him close it then?
What are these bit-esc and bcc? I've never heard. Trackers?
They are private forums and yes it's closed :lol:
looks like you drove him out of businesses znik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bit-Esc
so can i create a thread to destroy bcc? is that how this game works?