Maaaaan,
and I had just given up on wanting FTN because I decided it would be difficult for me to keep my ratio up with my crappy ISP.
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Maaaaan,
and I had just given up on wanting FTN because I decided it would be difficult for me to keep my ratio up with my crappy ISP.
Very cool, hope it starts a trend. Guess I'll have work harder at finding an FTN invite now!
This is really the wrong place to ask for invites... Have you read this >>> DO NOT Request or Offer Invites in this section *OR YOU WILL BE BANNED* <<<Quote:
Originally Posted by summ
The revolution started in torrent world ? :) Great news indeed :) I will start to download everything what i want and will seed them as long as i can ;) Thank you for this great info ;)
If FTN can pull this change off, then all power to them.
words failed me ...
:clap:
yeah...FTN is the ultimate power.
i just hope they dont make it a 72 hrs again
Wow,great news. Im so glad I just recently got my invite there.
wow if only i was a member lol!
Sounds very interesting! Hope it'll work perfect :)
But if there's no ratio system, upload speed isn't important at all (if you can seed for 36hrs which almost everyone can) and seedboxes etc won't be needed. Hope there are enough people who will seed with boxes, home connection, longer than 36hrs etc.
theres still user classes to aim for at leastQuote:
Originally Posted by Durkslag
personally i think its a good idea and its how it should be
<3 ftn
I'd assume FTN has a very dedicated userbase, I don't think you'd expect people slacking off too much, especially after how long it took for most to get invited. That's how I'd look at it in the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Durkslag
Let the leeching begin :D
The whole ratio was pointless since you had to upload till 1:1 or for 36 hours so this won't really affect the speeds, also it is a small community of people who do care about the site so people won't surely slack off.
i just recived the pm that fantastic
thats just one more thing proves that FTN is the best and iam glad to be a part of the bes
Are Corey and myself the only sensible ones here?
Ratios are a GOOD thing.
All those old torrents, great packs, etc. that FTN is known for are going to disappear. With no need to seed and no ratio to keep up, why would users keep old torrents alive by seeding them for long periods? Simple, they won't.
yeah right, then they really should add some new user classes after 1 TB uploaded like said before
It could certainly keep the interest for seeding alive
I suggest 5 TB upload = FTN God ;)
:w00t::w00t: That's wonderful. I really hope that this solves the problem with leechers amount...!
Where?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrandonThe answer to that is posted on ftn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corey
KFlint, maybe userclasses are something of more importance on rare(r) trackers but I've never given much thought about them. Very seldom they come with additional privileges or functions and if that's not the case I could care less if I'm called a mere power user or a God.
Skizo, your argument makes sense but I'm sure that FTN's staff will have thought of that. Keeping a number of valuable torrents alive might just take some additional commitment from a smaller group of users to make it work. This change can certainly be positive for new torrents for they're more likely to be snatched now that a ratio isn't something to be feared anymore.
yeah is a good idea. maybe ftn will be level 11:D
in My opinion its not a good step
Must not be very sensible if you still don't understand :P YOU cannot see your ratio. I can. Staff can. Users who aren't using the site, or who are totally abusing it, etc.. Will be removed. Removing the ratio simply removes the fear and gives the atmosphere a more calming sensation. For example, say Bob has a .4 ratio.. We don't expect everyone to have an amazing ratio. But bob is obviously going to be fearful of losing his account and stop using the site. Just because you have no ratio does not mean that you can abuse the site. Upload amounts are still visible and plenty of incentive to seed as well as user classes. This has just been announced what.. a few hours ago? I can assure you, there will be benefits of being a good overall user. It's just like a new product coming out, for example the new ipods. There are always a few bugs in the beginning that people are too impatient to wait out for and bitch about before the product can be fully rolled out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Let me clarify that one more time. Ratio's hurt a site with a small amount of users because of the low leecher counts as well as overseeders. Ratio on a small site is extremely hard to maintain causing the site to cripple.
Torrents are not meant to be archives. FTN IS A 0DAY SITE. Read that carefully. We're not trying to destroy the torrent competition by being an all in one solution because any sane person would know that isn't possible nor logical. Our goal is to get things up and out as fast as possible and make it as easy and pain free for users to get their goodies. If you want retention, get newsgroups/usenet. Simple as that. If you're itching to grab the new Gilmore Girls episode that just came out (Chalisto) a few seconds ago and want to be able to get it without crying about your ratio, then omg FTN is perfect for you :O
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Originally Posted by SkizoWhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
There is a thread in the general forum regarding this change. Read my posts and 90% of your questions should be answered.
well done FTN...greatly appreciated.
Nothing to do with being sensible. The total amount downloaded does matter, and ratios are still present, they simply cannot be viewed by the user or the public. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
Presenting that information as, "we don't sell ratios, we see no use for it and removed it from the site. This means every torrent is a freebie: total download amount is not important anymore." is inaccurate. In fact, it's downright false.
As for longer retention and utilizing Usenet, thanks, I do. 90% of everything I download is via Usenet/Giganews. Take a looksy at my FTN account and you'll notice only about 5GB of data has ever been downloaded. I only use torrents when I want something I can't find via newsgroups.
Usenet, FTW! :01:
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Originally Posted by SkizoNothing to do with being sensible. The total amount downloaded does matter, and ratios are still present, they simply cannot be viewed by the user or the public. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
Presenting that information as, "we don't sell ratios, we see no use for it and removed it from the site. This means every torrent is a freebie: total download amount is not important anymore." is inaccurate. In fact, it's downright false.
As for longer retention and utilizing Usenet, thanks, I do. 90% of everything I download is via Usenet/Giganews. Take a looksy at my FTN account and you'll notice only about 5GB of data has ever been downloaded. I only use torrents when I want something I can't find via newsgroups.
Usenet, FTW! :01:
How is it false? Look for yourself.. We did remove the ratio. I'm a coder, I can see every chunk of data you send to the tracker so of course I could see your ratio if I really wanted to.. You're totally missing the big picture and main point of all of this. You have no experience with my job so I can't expect you to understand how everything works. Although, looking at my post and looking at your reply.. I don't understand how you didn't fill in the blanks. :ermm:
Well then why not actually explain it?
You make it sound as if you have merely un-ticked a box and disabled users' ability to see their ratios for the sake of "a more calming sensation." That's a fair assumption given the statement, "YOU cannot see your ratio. I can. Staff can."
I can't fill in the blanks when you're being obtuse.
FTN is a large community, which in and of itself creates difficulties in the administration of something like ratios, and yet, thanks to your efforts, enjoys good reputation and is regarded favorably by most (if not all) who participate.
Keeping it that way is important. A better explanation is all that's needed.
On reflection, a statement such as "This means every torrent is a freebie: total download amount is not important anymore." is just dangerous without a proper explanation. That simple posting could go largely misinterpreted, but at the same time, some method might be employed to fertilize the idea of "community" a little more firmly in those who frequent the site.
Usenet FTW!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1797/irony3pf5.jpg
:lol:
We have never been even the slightest bit strict about ratios on revolt, but we still allow users to see them. What we have always expected is that people make an effort to seed back. Plenty of our power users have a 0.1 or less ratio.
Dropping any importance given to ratios and placing more importance on seed times are not mutually exclusive.
If you drop the importance of ratios and don't look at things such as seed times, you may as well issue $15/mo subscriptions and run your site as a "leech only" service such as usenet.
"total download amount is not important anymore" is not misleading. How much you download is no longer important, as long as you don't hit and run. It's just as possible to hit and run on a 10MB file as it is on a 5GB file.
I bet Skizo is drunk. :drunk:
As opposed to.... :unsure:
i bet Skizo is rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
:lips: are your lips sore?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atillai bet Skizo is rightQuote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Well, if I could be certain that it was a permanent (or at least long term) change to FTN, then I'd be much more comfortable. But, what if it goes bad :( and they change back the ratios and we find that we've got a ratio of .01 :O :'(
Congratulations, you've just created another scare that will AGAIN prevent users from leeching.Quote:
Originally Posted by bblogs
you just gotta love FTN ;)
Ok .01 is a bit exaggerated but it really doesn't matter. If you follow the 1:1/36 hour rule, even if you end up with let's say a .3, .4, .5 ratio it will still be ok. You're not going to get banned. As for myself, I like this change.Quote:
Originally Posted by bblogs
I must say that I dont think it will be working... but you must admire the FTN staff of being innovative!
very good move FTN and this is a great news for FTN users :D
More like level 4... I see I'm in minority here. No ratio = bad. I sure hope the trackers I frequently use don't do something like this because I would stop using them.Quote:
Originally Posted by LorD.MeXiCaN
How is this innovative? The first torrent trackers didn't have ratios. The Pirate Bay is also free leech.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDude
it is innovative because it is the first private tracker without ratio
what has thepiratebay do with it? LOL
If they're innovative, then so is The Pirate Bay and all the first trackers. No ratio used. Ratio was added because people never seeded back what they took. Adding ratio is innovative, removing ratio is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by sert