So is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
That's just a collection of words old bean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
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So is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyThat's just a collection of words old bean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
Not just, there's all sorts of other stuff going on. In the background, like.Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueamousSo is that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Not just a pretty face then? :P
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Originally Posted by Squeamous
Tsk. Be kind to yourself.
I thought The Vatican City was a country. The smallest country in the World. I even remember that as a Trivial Pursuit question. :unsure:Quote:
Originally Posted by one of JPs sock puppets
It is. It even has its own standing army.
If he was heQuote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
/so would
Wales was a collection of princedoms until it was forcibly absorbed under the English crown in the late 13th century. They were not willing participants.
They clearly were of a separate land with different language culture and tradition. Much of this has remained (especially the leek/sheep thing which it is best not to speak of). Their current legal status in terms of whether they are or not a sparate country is moot. The terms of Edward's conquest of Wales were not favourable and these have cascaded down into latter legal documents. That said similar attempts to control the Irish were made and they stuck rather less well and no one would dispute that the Republic is a separate country. Edward failed to conquer Scotland and the settlements of the 18th century preserved Scotland's separate status rather more clearly than those governing Wales and Ireland (albeit Ireland broke cleanly away in the early 20th century).
I am a bit pished after the Scotland game and the electric "CLEAR" things applied after the missed Italian kick at the end have left me a bit woozy so to recap...
Wales is by any language/culture definition a separate land. English people view it as a quite alien place - having in lived in Bath for a number of years I know just how alien they think it is. Legally Wales has been tied to England through conquest but 13th century avaricious kings are no basis for government and it wouldn't take the international legal eagles long to untie those knots if the Welsh people chose that route.
Does that make sence?
It's a state, not a country.
Stop fucking with Skizo's head, it's not fair.
Biggles! I've never seen you so coherent!
Indeed it does. Wales is a country in it's own right, every bit as much as England is.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigglesIf he was heQuote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
/so would
Wales was a collection of princedoms until it was forcibly absorbed under the English crown in the late 13th century. They were not willing participants.
They clearly were of a separate land with different language culture and tradition. Much of this has remained (especially the leek/sheep thing which it is best not to speak of). Their current legal status in terms of whether they are or not a sparate country is moot. The terms of Edward's conquest of Wales were not favourable and these have cascaded down into latter legal documents. That said similar attempts to control the Irish were made and they stuck rather less well and no one would dispute that the Republic is a separate country. Edward failed to conquer Scotland and the settlements of the 18th century preserved Scotland's separate status rather more clearly than those governing Wales and Ireland (albeit Ireland broke cleanly away in the early 20th century).
I am a bit pished after the Scotland game and the electric "CLEAR" things applied after the missed Italian kick at the end have left me a bit woozy so to recap...
Wales is by any language/culture definition a separate land. English people view it as a quite alien place - having in lived in Bath for a number of years I know just how alien they think it is. Legally Wales has been tied to England through conquest but 13th century avaricious kings are no basis for government and it wouldn't take the international legal eagles long to untie those knots if the Welsh people chose that route.
Does that make sence?
Bugger!Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
Oh ffs.....The Vatican is a sovereign state, that makes it a country doesn't it? Christ, I'm glad I live in a proper country instead of Limboland.
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Originally Posted by Squeamous
Aw, come on.....you're not that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
I was too lazy to Google it earlier, but just did. Definitely a country.
Wrong again, you must get bored with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
What, Wales?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Oh Biggles, you little tyke!Quote:
Originally Posted by BigglesWhat, Wales?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
:lol:
Whales swim in the sea.
Are North America,Central America and South America just one big fuckin country?
No, that's just mad talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gripper
But they are joined they have yhe same name and by Peerzy's girlfriends logic they are the same country.
Ah but, if they are known as the Americas then they must be more than 1.
QED and ergo not one country.
I used to think that when I was about 10....in fact I distinctly remember my dad informing me otherwise, and me thinking it made no sense at all.
I used to think that when I was about 10....in fact I distinctly remember my dad informing me otherwise, and me thinking it made no sense at all.
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Originally Posted by Squeamous
biggles knows loads about history, politics, law, and some about esoteric matters.
i've been thinkin' about asking him if we wants to join my secret society, but faced with a dilemma, so haven't asked yet.
I was being sarcy :P. It was an interesting piece, but his arse was so firmly sat on the fence when he wrote it he'll be pulling splinters out for weeks.
ok so 7 pages later.. have we decided if Wales is a country because I got lost about 2 pages back :(
To be fair Scotland had recently qualified at the expense of mighty Italy so he may have been a tad the worse for the grain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squeamous
I personally think it probably isn't, but I can't find the info on the net strangely. It is definitely a principality, but I'm unsure now whether it can be classed as a country as well. If I manage to find a Welsh person who can read and write I'll ask them and let you know.
:P
We have decided that it is both a Country in it's own right and a principality within the UK, the same as England. Scotland however has it's own devolved Parliament with the right to legislate and raise taxes, independent of the UK Government at Westminster and is therefore more self determining.
Indeed Scottish elected MPs can vote on matters which relate entirely to England and Wales and not Scotland. However only Scottish elected MPS can vote in relation to the devolved issues. Primarily health, education, law and order.
We've just read through the thread and I asked her if she did think they were the same country and she said Yes :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gripper
'Cause it's joined, like :unsure:
Nah, he does it all the time. He's one of those annoying people who like to absorb information without necessarily forming a judgement on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
England is a kingdom, Wales is a principality.....get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueamousEngland is a kingdom, Wales is a principality.....get it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
How is England a Kingdom.
:glag::earl::genious:Quote:
Originally Posted by SqueamousNah, he does it all the time. He's one of those annoying people who like to absorb information without necessarily forming a judgement on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
Technically speaking, England has a monarch and Wales has a prince....hence the terminology. Slightly dated maybe, but I believe it still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
You know what? I've learned something here today......I live on one hell of an interesting little island.