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I am not a Jewhovah's witness. They are a cult.
An anti-semite then.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
You're a cult.
^^Spot the typo:smilie4:
No I am not anti-sematic either. Christians have a high respect for Jews and Israel. They are our brothers.
You're a lesbian shit licker.
So what's a Jewhovah Witness.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
It's either a Freudian slip or you're a wee bit slow.
You chose.
h4r5h.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sextent
Sorry, it was a typo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper Boh4r5h.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sextent
InterestingQuote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
A noob tells Snee to leave :blink:
What did the blurb say btw my eyes glazed over after the first cliche.
Easily doneQuote:
Originally Posted by SextentSorry, it was a typo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper Bo
they put these damned keys too close together.
I asked him to leave the thread. He accused me of forcing myself on him, yet he is the one who chose to click on this thread. He didn't have to. I haven't posted this in other threads, therefore, I am not forcing my views on anyone.
Look, all I want to do here is discuss this topic.
But the title was so intresting it forced my finger to left click it, and before I knew it...damn.
Oh, and back to the topic. It's hard to say where I stand at the moment I'm sorta back and forth kinda like Opera Winfrey shes fat then shes thin shes fat then thin, etc. With a full time job and the rest of the time taken up by school class and when I decide to skip class that time is taken up by The Xbox 360, theres just not enough time.
So, what you're saying is that the question of where you are going to spend all of eternity is of no concern to you as long as you get a jelly bean right this second. It makes no sense man. It's something that you should think about.
What concerns me right now is that I get my school done right now and after school I'll start to worry about where I spend eternity.
what happens to the people before christ (even before jews ) ? god deosnt give a shit ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
and why does god always comes up with an updated holy book every 1000 years ?
and if jeebus has shown miracles. why did he had only 13 followers during his lifetime ? you know david blaine has more followers (during his life time )
and why isnt dinousers mentioned in bible. this is serious . no dinosours ? wtf ?
Dinosaurs, along with about 70% of all the other species disappeared from earth about 60 million years before the biblical times.Quote:
Originally Posted by masterbatwhat happens to the people before christ (even before jews ) ? god deosnt give a shit ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
and why does god always comes up with an updated holy book every 1000 years ?
and if jeebus has shown miracles. why did he had only 13 followers during his lifetime ? you know david blaine has more followers (during his life time )
and why isnt dinousers mentioned in bible. this is serious . no dinosours ? wtf ?
Jesus only appeared to have 13 disciples because that was all that Leonardo Da Vinci could squeeze into his Last Supper painting.:blink:
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Originally Posted by bigboabQuote:
Originally Posted by masterbat
Jesus only appeared to have 13 disciples because that was all that Leonardo Da Vinci could squeeze into his Last Supper painting.:blink:
that makes sense :lol:
Fair enough. My discussion point would be that behaviours determined by what one is going to get out of it personally is hardly the basis for a moral framework. It is an inherently selfish motivation. If one truly believes in free will then logically only those who love God regardless of whether there is personal gain for themselves or not are genuine believers. Heaven or Hell whatever you conceive them to be are irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Attempting to sell religion on the basis of pie in the sky is akin to double glazing salesman techniques. Guaranteed for 500 years or your money back.
Do it because you want to or not at all. :yup:
That is my view at least
First of all Dinosaurs ARE meantioned in the bible in SEVERAL places. Secondly, there were 12 disciples, not 13. So, if dinosaurs died out supposedly millions of years BEFORE humans supposedely evolved, then why are they found cave drawings thousands of years old, found in every culture around the world? They are called "dragons" in many cases. Think about the chinese dragon and what it looks like. That's been a part of their culture for thousands of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboabDinosaurs, along with about 70% of all the other species disappeared from earth about 60 million years before the biblical times.Quote:
Originally Posted by masterbat
Jesus only appeared to have 13 disciples because that was all that Leonardo Da Vinci could squeeze into his Last Supper painting.:blink:
Below are CLEAR descriptions of dinosaurs. It is also very obvious that they are REAL creatures. God Himself if the one talking to Job.
Job 40:15 Now behold behemoth, which I made along with you; he eats grass like an ox; see, now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the muscles of his belly. He hangs his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of bronze; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God; his Maker brings near his sword. For the mountains yield food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there. He lies under the lotus, in the hiding place of the reed and the marsh. The lotus trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook surround him. Behold, though a flood presses, he does not run away; he feels safe even if Jordan swells up to his mouth. Shall any take him before his eyes, or pierce through his nose with cords?
Job 41:1 Can you draw out the leviathan with a hook, or hold down his tongue with a cord? Can you put a reed rope into his nose, or pierce his jaw with a thorn? Will he multiply pleas for help to you? Will he speak soft words to you? Will he make a covenant with you? Will you take him for a servant for ever? Will you play with him as with a bird? Or will you bind him for your maidens? Shall your companions bargain over him? Shall they divide him among the merchants? Can you fill his skin with barbed irons, or his head with fishing spears? Lay your hand on him, think of the battle; you will never do it again. Behold, his hope has been made false; will not one be cast down at the sight of him? None is so fierce as to dare to stir him up; who then is able to stand before Me? Who has gone before Me that I should repay? All that is the heavens is Mine. I will not keep silent concerning his limbs, or his mighty strength, or the grace of his frame. Who can take off the surface of his skin; who can come to him with his double bridle? Who can open the doors to his face? Terror is round about his teeth. The rows of shields are his pride, shut up with a close seal; one is so near to another that no air can come between them; hey are joined one to another, they clasp each other so that they can not be separated. His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn. Out of his mouth go burning torches, sparks of fire leap out.
Out of his nostrils goes smoke, as out of a boiling pot fired by reeds. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.
In his neck remains strength, and terror dances before him.
The folds of his flesh are joined together, cast firm on him; he cannot be moved. His heart is cast hard as a stone, even cast hard as a piece of a riding millstone. The mighty are afraid from his rising; they are beside themselves from the crashing. The sword overtakes him, but will not hold firm. The spear, the dart, and the javelin also. He counts iron as straw, bronze as rotten wood.
An arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones are turned by him into stubble. Darts are counted as straw; he laughs at the shaking of a javelin.Points of potsherds are under him; he spreads sharp pointed marks on the mire. He makes the deep boil like a pot; he makes the sea like a pot of ointment. He makes a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be gray-headed. On earth there is nothing like him, one made without fear. He beholds all high things; he is a king over all the sons of pride.
Ne 2:13 And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire.
Ps 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. {adder: or, asp}
Isa 27:1 ¶ In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. {piercing: or, crossing like a bar}
Isa 51:9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
Jer 51:34 Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.
Eze 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. {wonder: or, sign}
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the
woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Re 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Re 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
That post is definitely food for thought.:) I suppose that would make it Shepherds Pie In The Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigglesFair enough. My discussion point would be that behaviours determined by what one is going to get out of it personally is hardly the basis for a moral framework. It is an inherently selfish motivation. If one truly believes in free will then logically only those who love God regardless of whether there is personal gain for themselves or not are genuine believers. Heaven or Hell whatever you conceive them to be are irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Attempting to sell religion on the basis of pie in the sky is akin to double glazing salesman techniques. Guaranteed for 500 years or your money back.
Do it because you want to or not at all. :yup:
That is my view at least
Yeah, I wouldn't consider the bible as containing gospel truth if I were you :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsxFirst of all Dinosaurs ARE meantioned in the bible in SEVERAL places. Secondly, there were 12 disciples, not 13. So, if dinosaurs died out supposedly millions of years BEFORE humans supposedely evolved, then why are they found cave drawings thousands of years old, found in every culture around the world? They are called "dragons" in many cases. Think about the chinese dragon and what it looks like. That's been a part of their culture for thousands of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Below are CLEAR descriptions of dinosaurs. It is also very obvious that they are REAL creatures. God Himself if the one talking to Job.
Job 40:15 Now behold behemoth, which I made along with you; he eats grass like an ox; see, now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the muscles of his belly. He hangs his tail like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are like tubes of bronze; his bones are like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God; his Maker brings near his sword. For the mountains yield food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there. He lies under the lotus, in the hiding place of the reed and the marsh. The lotus trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook surround him. Behold, though a flood presses, he does not run away; he feels safe even if Jordan swells up to his mouth. Shall any take him before his eyes, or pierce through his nose with cords?
Job 41:1 Can you draw out the leviathan with a hook, or hold down his tongue with a cord? Can you put a reed rope into his nose, or pierce his jaw with a thorn? Will he multiply pleas for help to you? Will he speak soft words to you? Will he make a covenant with you? Will you take him for a servant for ever? Will you play with him as with a bird? Or will you bind him for your maidens? Shall your companions bargain over him? Shall they divide him among the merchants? Can you fill his skin with barbed irons, or his head with fishing spears? Lay your hand on him, think of the battle; you will never do it again. Behold, his hope has been made false; will not one be cast down at the sight of him? None is so fierce as to dare to stir him up; who then is able to stand before Me? Who has gone before Me that I should repay? All that is the heavens is Mine. I will not keep silent concerning his limbs, or his mighty strength, or the grace of his frame. Who can take off the surface of his skin; who can come to him with his double bridle? Who can open the doors to his face? Terror is round about his teeth. The rows of shields are his pride, shut up with a close seal; one is so near to another that no air can come between them; hey are joined one to another, they clasp each other so that they can not be separated. His sneezings flash forth light, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the dawn. Out of his mouth go burning torches, sparks of fire leap out.
Out of his nostrils goes smoke, as out of a boiling pot fired by reeds. His breath kindles coals, and a flame goes out of his mouth.
In his neck remains strength, and terror dances before him.
The folds of his flesh are joined together, cast firm on him; he cannot be moved. His heart is cast hard as a stone, even cast hard as a piece of a riding millstone. The mighty are afraid from his rising; they are beside themselves from the crashing. The sword overtakes him, but will not hold firm. The spear, the dart, and the javelin also. He counts iron as straw, bronze as rotten wood.
An arrow cannot make him flee; slingstones are turned by him into stubble. Darts are counted as straw; he laughs at the shaking of a javelin.Points of potsherds are under him; he spreads sharp pointed marks on the mire. He makes the deep boil like a pot; he makes the sea like a pot of ointment. He makes a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be gray-headed. On earth there is nothing like him, one made without fear. He beholds all high things; he is a king over all the sons of pride.
Ne 2:13 And I went out by night by the gate of the valley, even before the dragon well, and to the dung port, and viewed the walls of Jerusalem, which were broken down, and the gates thereof were consumed with fire.
Ps 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. {adder: or, asp}
Isa 27:1 ¶ In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. {piercing: or, crossing like a bar}
Isa 51:9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
Jer 51:34 Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon hath devoured me, he hath crushed me, he hath made me an empty vessel, he hath swallowed me up like a dragon, he hath filled his belly with my delicates, he hath cast me out.
Eze 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. {wonder: or, sign}
Re 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the
woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Re 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Re 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Re 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Re 13:11 ¶ And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Re 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
There are NO cave drawings-Chinese or otherwise- that show dinosaurs and humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Wooly mammoths and sabre tooth tigers, sure- but they're mammals not giant reptiles.
BTW, isn't "Leviathan" just a whale?
Even non-Christians believe in whales, for goodness sake.
I don't think that he/she will get that joke.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbarossa
But that's part of the fun :sly:
:lol: ownedQuote:
Originally Posted by clockerThere are NO cave drawings-Chinese or otherwise- that show dinosaurs and humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Wooly mammoths and sabre tooth tigers, sure- but they're mammals not giant reptiles.
BTW, isn't "Leviathan" just a whale?
Even non-Christians believe in whales, for goodness sake.
and
evolution ?? :naughty: when did you guys start believing in thatQuote:
BEFORE humans supposedely evolved
She did say supposededly.
You came here, to this forum, to preach, you put this thread here, where we are. You sought us out, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
We didn't come to some board you hang out at, you came to us, you mental little missionary you. And you're still preaching, when you aren't making shit up, anyways :ermm:
every sat morning we get a group of Jehovah's coming to our street because their office is just around the corner, down a dodgy looking alley that smells of wee, anyway once we saw them standing across the street so my mate went up to one of em and asked if they wanted to come and burn a virgin on the heath tonight. :naughty:
go and spread the word elsewhere you crap suit shit dress trouser wearing tossers.
Mentals always quote from the Old Testament or from Revelations. They call themselves Christian but seem to desperately ignore the actual teachings of Christ. All that love and forgiveness and lilly livered pish.
It's like God said, I will send my only Son and they replied "Whatever, we still prefer the stuff about floods and dragons and wailing and stuff. You can keep your new covenant or do something else."
The above is almost a direct quote from what the Priest said at Mass today.
Actually there were like loads of disciples, there were twelve Apostles.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Disciples were (and indeed are) followers. The Apostles were the original disciples, called by Chebus to follow him and then to go out and preach in his name. They went to the last supper and stuff.
I am.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
I'm 100%icus
I'm about 10-100%
...but there were 12 that Jesus Christ specifically chose, not 13. They BECAME apostles AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead and sent them to the ends of the earth (the great commission). An apostle is nothing more than a missionary. Let's not try to talk our way out of things here. Just admit that you are wrong when you are wrong, but yes, besides there WERE other disciples that followed Jesus, but only 12 specifically chosen by Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by SextentActually there were like loads of disciples, there were twelve Apostles.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx
Disciples were (and indeed are) followers. The Apostles were the original disciples, called by Chebus to follow him and then to go out and preach in his name. They went to the last supper and stuff.
jesus christ is in kashmir
http://www.tombofjesus.com/2007/home.html
The Tomb in Kashmir
Actually it's you who was wrong when you said there were only 12 disciples. There were loads. You just explained that yourself FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx...but there were 12 that Jesus Christ specifically chose, not 13. They BECAME apostles AFTER Jesus Christ rose from the dead and sent them to the ends of the earth (the great commission). An apostle is nothing more than a missionary. Let's not try to talk our way out of things here. Just admit that you are wrong when you are wrong, but yes, besides there WERE other disciples that followed Jesus, but only 12 specifically chosen by Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sextent
Oh and it wasn't me who said there were 13, which you went on to "correct". If memory serves that was boab who said that. Either way you were still wrong.
FFS if you're going to try to proselytize at least try to get the basics right and know who you are replying to. You know listen to other people and stuff.
No wait, that wouldn't work.
Basically you are just the type of idiot who give Christianity and other religions a bad name. I often suspect it's non-religious people doing it, for that very reason. That's certainly been done here before.
This is one of these " you're a dickhead" moments. Either you are posting genuinely, making you a dickhead. Or you're making this stuff up, making you a dickhead. Either way, dickhead.
Too much altar wine, I fear.
One of these twats came to my door last week.
My lapsed-catholic sensibilities were somewhat inflamed. It was a brainwash and run affair. Unbeknownst to me, he had encountered Number 1 son sometime during the summer and promised him a babble. He thrust the bible into said offspring's confused mitts and beat a hasty retreat like the fabled thief in the night.
Had I answered the door, the sharp end of the word of god would've been bounced off this covert missionary's temple.
Then I had to spend the next week explaining to the kid how if Adam and Eve had really been the keystone of genetic inheritance, our deformities would be so myriad as to render evolution a heavenly myth.