I have a feeling BT will in the future become like Kazaa dangerous to use and crawling with RIAA
cunt bags.
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I have a feeling BT will in the future become like Kazaa dangerous to use and crawling with RIAA
cunt bags.
Everything dies, my son.
Yeah what's with the majority voting "Never". Do you guys think bittorrent is that secure? Maybe it's just an unserious response to an unserious option and I'm just being serious about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
i don't think this is correct. file sharers are the primary cause of technological advances in residential broadband, which ISP's are able to charge premiums for. it is precisely because of the bandwidth usage of BT that ISP's love it. if not for BT, the average home user would still have a 1/256 or something and would have no reason to upgrade. prices would inevitably have to fall and there would be WAY less demand for faster connections. some demand would obviously still exist, but it would be limited to the small number of users that are YouTube addicted or download lots from online media stores. the question is not "would you disconnect your internet" it's "would you have a 10mbit pipe and pay $50/mo. for it?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
ISP's are undoubtedly on our side in this.
You forget to acknowledge that BT is only one way of sharing files, and that an overwhelming majority of BT protocol usage has been used to coordinate piracy. With the law enforcement hammering at their backs, the ISPs are not on the BT-users side.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolyti don't think this is correct. file sharers are the primary cause of technological advances in residential broadband, which ISP's are able to charge premiums for. it is precisely because of the bandwidth usage of BT that ISP's love it. if not for BT, the average home user would still have a 1/256 or something and would have no reason to upgrade. prices would inevitably have to fall and there would be WAY less demand for faster connections. some demand would obviously still exist, but it would be limited to the small number of users that are YouTube addicted or download lots from online media stores. the question is not "would you disconnect your internet" it's "would you have a 10mbit pipe and pay $50/mo. for it?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
ISP's are undoubtedly on our side in this.
The fact that the bittorrent protocol partially responsible for the users' interest in large bandwidths is obviously superseded by the threat of the law enforcement.
Also, you can't seriously believe BT usage is a real factor in increased bandwidth service. Do you think the average home user uses BT regularly, if they've even heard of it? Commercial ISPs offer scaled bandwidth packages for the same reason the supermarket sells peanut butter in three different sizes: people are stupid and will pay for something they won't use if they think they're getting a deal. That a minority benefit is not only secondary, it's undesirable. They're with the RIAA because there's no profit in everyone using exactly what they're buying.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolyti don't think this is correct. file sharers are the primary cause of technological advances in residential broadband, which ISP's are able to charge premiums for. it is precisely because of the bandwidth usage of BT that ISP's love it. if not for BT, the average home user would still have a 1/256 or something and would have no reason to upgrade. prices would inevitably have to fall and there would be WAY less demand for faster connections. some demand would obviously still exist, but it would be limited to the small number of users that are YouTube addicted or download lots from online media stores. the question is not "would you disconnect your internet" it's "would you have a 10mbit pipe and pay $50/mo. for it?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
ISP's are undoubtedly on our side in this.
I believe ISPs are overjoyed by BitTorrent users that wil gladly pay 5 times the amount for a faster line. They are just afraid to show it... ad then there are companies like Comcast that take advantage of it and that way save money on linerental.Quote:
Originally Posted by ÆnimaYou forget to acknowledge that BT is only one way of sharing files, and that an overwhelming majority of BT protocol usage has been used to coordinate piracy. With the law enforcement hammering at their backs, the ISPs are not on the BT-users side.Quote:
Originally Posted by koolyt
The fact that the bittorrent protocol partially responsible for the users' interest in large bandwidths is obviously superseded by the threat of the law enforcement.
Think about this in a regular business sense. Wouldn't you like it if a large part of your costumers bought 5 of each instead of 1?
As for BitTorrent survival, I would guess that in 5 years it's obsolete and replaced by other methods. Maybe built on the principal but it won't be BitTorrent as we know it today.
This poll makes BitTorrent cry..
Give it 5.
It will be superseded... someday.
The same Comcast that was caught aggressively throttling BT traffic? They seem overjoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Skies
BT wont just die .. maybe something better will evolve from BT , a better anonymous BT ?
usenet is here from the 1980's . did it die ? no . its just getting better
i hope the same for BT
BT will last but 10 years tops. I won't be that sad if it dies either, it will just be a shame because I spent a lot of time finding good trackers since I have almost no friends who belong to any note worthy sites. The battles we're seeing right now, between these huge anti-piracy organizations and the end user and trackers will not disappear even if we move on to another protocol. Those dirty bastards will follow pirates to the ends of the earth, trying to destroy the scene and trying to stop the spread of warez. But I'm confident that even when BT dies, most of us are smart enough to move on and not dwell on the past.
That's the spirit. The death of BT will herald the advent of a superior protocol (unless it happens to coincide with the end of the internet / world).
I'm curious to see how the RIAA, MPAA, and those organizations dedicated specifically to online piracy evolve in the next five years. So far their methods are pitifully inelegant and ineffective. They need to realize they're dealing with a collective of citizens, not an organized crime ring.
never !!!
Eh... a collective of citizens can also be an organized crime ring. Call it white collar crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
I am sure many pot heads and crack addicts think drugs should be legalized, after all.
Right, and look at how effective the war on drugs has been. A government can't faction itself against its citizens, and a commercial industry can't faction itself against the consumer. It won't work, especially not with the internet.
5-10 years
5-10 years ,Guess the community will destroy itself from inside along with the current pressure by anti-piracy groups made on isps and server providers to cease bt traffic
absolutly...i think even less than 5 years or even if it wont die something better will 100% come....
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Originally Posted by orfik
Oh so you now agree that bittorrent trackers are organized crime rings? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
Ya...i totally agree!:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Even 5 years is too much thinking now that trackers like Oink and Demonoid is gone.
why would I use bt if I can use usenet, it's not free everywhere.. let's say it's free in your case - not in my caseQuote:
Originally Posted by SkizoDo you earnestly believe that bittorrent is the only (or even best) method of file sharing? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Defy
I have one word for you - Usenet.
I haven't read the whole thread
just because some american isp's decided to throttle bittorrent doesnt mean BT is gona end . you know there is internet outside US . :01:Quote:
Originally Posted by tweakzYa...i totally agree!:yup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
pm me for free FTWR , include pics of your girlfriends tits...is ur sig serious? lol
yes :P just pm him the titsQuote:
Originally Posted by tweakz
I probable would if it was true! lol...Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkyes :P just pm him the titsQuote:
Originally Posted by tweakz
i think it have long time to die
there is alot of new trackers every day:D
it will liiiiiiiiiiive:naughty:
Exactly what I was referring to, so ???????Quote:
Originally Posted by orfikThe same Comcast that was caught aggressively throttling BT traffic? They seem overjoyed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Skies
Bittorrent will become like usenet. It'll never quite die.
Are you serious? :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by koolyti don't think this is correct. file sharers are the primary cause of technological advances in residential broadband, which ISP's are able to charge premiums for. it is precisely because of the bandwidth usage of BT that ISP's love it. if not for BT, the average home user would still have a 1/256 or something and would have no reason to upgrade. prices would inevitably have to fall and there would be WAY less demand for faster connections. some demand would obviously still exist, but it would be limited to the small number of users that are YouTube addicted or download lots from online media stores. the question is not "would you disconnect your internet" it's "would you have a 10mbit pipe and pay $50/mo. for it?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
ISP's are undoubtedly on our side in this.
ISPs are far from "on our side". The proof is in the major ISPs such as AT&T who have completely eliminated the bittorrent protocol altogether on their lines and Comcast who have been so aggressive in throttling connections and utilizing technology to limit all peer-to-peer applications, not just bittorrent.
As for the faster connections, that's just the nature of technology and are due to nothing more than the evolution of the Internet.
i believe it will be sooner than anybody think
who could believe that oink and demonoid will fall that easy ?
soon it will fall but as the most of you said " there will be a new way to share files "
bt will die when it will. why make useless predictions and let out info.. btw I ve always felt fst is the one place because of which bt could die, cos riaa, bla bla could get their invites from here easily. Why not see the truth and blame fst for once? Also some site admins info got leaked from here even
so close fst, and make bt secure
There are 1,001 other sites which trade invites, so careful where you point that finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by p1r4t3
FST also doesn't do anything to put trackers in harms way, members who trade invites and accounts, as well as giveaways however, do.
of course just like everything does, like auio galaxy and morpheus and many more, something better and faster will emerge, 6-12 years...
Never!
i dont think it will continue though with comcast and AT&T, you can use torrents to legally host files that you own so if they cut that out why not completely cut out all downloading all together. the more mainstream torrents get with people legally hosting files the longer it will last, could you imagine if they throttled downloading regular files from the internet because they may be illegal? it would never work, so we need more people to legally seed files that they own which is hard since you have to donwload and know how to work 1 extra program which people seem to think is hard.
I think never.
The ISPs will continue down the road they're on; no question. Anti-piracy organizations are suing not only the users they catch, but the ISPs which allow them to download the content. These lawsuits have been dragging through the court systems for years and the ISPs are realizing that even without having lost a case, the mere cost of fighting off these organizations is astronomical.Quote:
Originally Posted by aysomc
Do you think these multi-billion dollar corporations haven't researched this for years? Do you think they just threw up their hands and said, "Eh, we'll give it a shot"? :idunno:
You also seem to be rather misinformed about their throttling methods. AT&T for example has not reduced anyone's download speeds. In order for that to happen, their entire connection speed while on the web would be reduced as well. AT&T has simply instituted software which detects the transfer data via the bittorrent protocol and cuts off the upload the instant the download is completed. Obviously, not being able to upload would affect your status at trackers rather quickly, but also think of the big picture - With no uploaders, there is no content to download. R.I.P. bittorrent.
You're really reaching now. Who cares if it would never work; no one is even attempting to throttle Internet connections or "regular files" (whatever that is). Conversely, the ISPs are offering faster connections every year. It's a race for business and competition for business is staunch, with speed and price being the only real factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by aysomc
Throttling all downloads of any type just doesn't make sense. Heck, every time a web page loads, you're downloading from the Internet. :dabs:
There is also illegal content all over, but unarguably the major source of it is obtained through P2P networks, and right now the flavor of the week is the bittorrent protocol. I would wager 95% of illegal content is done via P2P networks.