For A L L That Use P2p Or Share Files

Yes so you are a hypocrite. But your not the only one. You think artists don't get free stuff. Artists have something we don't "fame". And that is thier excuse to get something free. Just because their famous they think it's ok to get something free, but no one else can.

Look... when you see artists like Justin Timerlake, and Dr. Dre and Metallica. Thier driving mercedes benz, they have huge houses and blow all their money on weed and diamonds. Yet they still have millions in banks. I'm not saying thats bad or anything. It's thier money and they can do what they want with it. But when artists have all that for them then the fans just don't think it's right for them to go suing afterwards.

Hypocrite.
Dr. Dre sues napster for copyright infringement. Dr. Dre gets sued for copyright infringment. Sure Dr. Dre is a very talented artist and producer, but being famous doesn't give him the right to break the law, but we don't get to. Most artists do drugs and smoke weed. They're breaking the law. Do you ever see any of them in jail for it. Few.

Oh and politicians do not ignore these letters. Back in the napster case, i emailed my politician and got a response back.

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Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis@28 July 2003 - 14:55
These email form letters are ignored by politicians. You would have better results taking the gist of it and mailing it seperately.

And the RIAA is doing the right thing. They are protecting the rights of those who create this stuff. The free ride has to end at some point. No one OWES you anything. If you are downloading copyrighted music/movies without paying for them, you are taking without compensating - even if you share with others - especially if you share with others.

Do you expect to be paid for the work you do? I would think so.

Why don't you admit it. Enjoy your free ride while you can, but don't denegrade the people who are trying to see to it that the rights of the producers of the products you enjoy get paid for it. Whether you like their fees or not. Saying it's too expensive is rationalization. You are looking for an excuse to get something for nothing.

You know what? I do download/share some songs. But I'm a hypocrite. At least I admit it. When it has to end, I will accept it as something that should have been done.

There, that won't get anyone riled. Nope. Not a chance....

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Where do I START...

Ok, were all hypocrits and criminal etc..
Blah Blah....

I DON"T CARE OR GIVE A...
Though I may even agree

It's not my stand here, I WILL wriite these SOB's because I do not feel that how this is being dealt with LEGALLY is approprate. The F**KERS at the AA have been offered many functional alternatives that are revenue generating and have refused all. Money is not nessisaraly their real issue, I think power is, since as the dinasour they are becoming, if artist start marketing directly they will be truly left empty handed.

Its just like when they tried to put radio out of business, betamax, tapes and so forth, and I imagine Congress will have to step in AGAIN (not the first time) and find or force a solution down these pigheaded retards throat, just like Congress did with the radio issue. This is why contacting your elected officials IS important.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A CRIMINAL OR FEEL LIKE ONE, NOR DO ICARE FOR THE IDEA OF LOOKING OVER MY SHOULDER WITH PARANOIA.

Truth is I have had alot of the same feelings as you have stated, this is why I am looking towards a SOLUTION...

I am NOT here saying...
"CD's are to expensive dude" or
"Why pay for it if I can get for FREE" or
"We are stealing money out the artist pocket"
This CRAP offers NO solution, and frankly the first two are no better tahn what the AA is doing either.

I would hope that you had read http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php, there are very effective SOLUTIONS there, the one I liked, and thought was is very appropriate, was "Bandwidth Levies".

In addition, as to "enjoy it untill it ends"...
I will tell you when that will happen, but first...
Consider all the cracks and corners of the internet that this exsists
Consider all the things on the horizon yet to come
Consider areas where this could never be stopped

Thus a simple answer...

NEVER

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Originally posted by 3rd gen noob+25 July 2003 - 13:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rd gen noob @ 25 July 2003 - 13:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-REALITY@25 July 2003 - 19:28
1. Please read through it completely. There were many alternatives posted there, I would imagine we can decide on whats best later. I thought the idea of a licensing fee, similar to radio, at the ISP level may be good, though there were several ideas.

2. These people effect many of us including Australia and the UK, and others abroad, and it is in A L L our benifit to try and resolve and put this this to an end.

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1. even the thought of a fee for filesharing is surely totally against the concept of filesharing itself? even if there are other alternatives, the main ones are paying for the service. why pay for something free??

2. the letter to mr congressmen is only available in the us. [/b][/quote]
Well duh....the RIAA is a USA Orgazition....not british or switz or something. So even if u live somewhere else send it&#33;

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Originally posted by DarkBlizzard@29 July 2003 - 07:26
Well duh....the RIAA is a USA Orgazition....not british or switz or something. So even if u live somewhere else send it&#33;

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why send it if it&#39;ll have no effect?

:blink:

I sent my letter in and I am posting this link all over every forum I know so that

1. more people can join this forum
and
2. More peeps can send in their letter.

I run variouse websites and I put the link to this post on every1 of them eventhough my boss might catch a shitfit but he cant fire me :D I really hope we can all make a difference. Also we all wish we could keep P2P free but with money hungry pigs runing the country it wont happen so if we whant to keep P2P alive we may have to compromis. I mean whats &#036;5 a month? &#036;5 a month from lets say 60,000,000 users is &#036;300,000,000. Hopefully they will be happy with this. Well enough of my babling off to spread the word I go&#33; :zorro: :ninja: :nuke: B)

hmmmmm...... I wonder. Whst would happen if I went and took all my friends info and sent in letters for them.

Even futher if printed about half a mill of these letters (from work :D ) and and handed them out with a preaddressed envelope with e-postage (also from work B) ) and asked people to just put their signatuer in and mail them.

Even further>> going in to mail databases (from work :flame: ) and wending a letter in for every singel person on the list.

Even further going online and hacking additional lists and sending a letter for every single person there.

I say that would increase the ammount of letters in.
I can also go around town and take addreses and make up names and send in more letters. See I live in NYC so I can do that (many appartment buildings :) )

Hey, I would sign the letter, but:
1. I live in England, so some U.S. senator wont give 2 shits about me.
2. Im really gonna give my name and address so its easier for the record industry to find me.

Sharing music came about because of the extortionate prices that record labels put on their music, if the industry reduced the price of an album, more people would buy music and filesharing wouldn&#39;t be such a problem. When are the record labels going to work this out, because until they do, I will continue to share music that is either bought or from a copied cd.

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Originally posted by bobfred@31 July 2003 - 11:20
Hey, I would sign the letter, but:
1. I live in England, so some U.S. senator wont give 2 shits about me.
2. Im really gonna give my name and address so its easier for the record industry to find me.

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1. Point taken, then don&#39;t if you don&#39;t care to.
This is also an issue in England, address your represenatives out there or
Do nothing and wait to take up the...

@3rd gen noob...
Same goes for you, your comments are USELESS.

2. Has the LEVEL of your PARANOIA become that RIDICULOUS...
http://thewizardofoz.warnerbros.com/...tos/photo3.jpg

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Sharing music came about because of the extortionate prices that record labels put on their music, if the industry reduced the price of an album, more people would buy music and filesharing wouldn&#39;t be such a problem. When are the record labels going to work this out, because until they do, I will continue to share music that is either bought or from a copied cd.

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Though thes may be true it NO longer matters, real solutions are needed.
I believe this is more about power and control than it is about money anyway.

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Originally posted by REALITY@31 July 2003 - 18:52
@3rd gen noob...
Same goes for you, your comments are USELESS.

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that&#39;s a good thing right?

<_<

http://www.klboard.ath.cx/bb/index.php?showtopic=58209

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Look... when you see artists like Justin Timerlake, and Dr. Dre and Metallica. Thier driving mercedes benz, they have huge houses and blow all their money on weed and diamonds. Yet they still have millions in banks.

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I would send the letter although im 13.

Boo Hoo poor artists&#33;&#33;&#33; They have money coming out there asses and almost all of them love singing anyway&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; I think that there making this huge flucking deal and there still making billions of dollars a year and they can afford people downloading there music. People will still buy albums. I buy probably an album a month and i don&#39;t have any bootleg albums. I just download music so i can listen to it over and over and then i delete it.

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Originally posted by mj5444@1 August 2003 - 16:38
I would send the letter although im 13.

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Then make your PARENTS do it.

@3rd gen noob...
Maybe Commom.

What i am surprised at is that ads wernt suggested.

Millions of people use Kazaa

Do you have any idea how much you can charge for a single banner ad that would last 5 seconds and is guarenteed to be seen by 10s of millions of people? Probally as much as they charge for ads at the Super Bowl.

Thus,

Artists get paid and we get free music.

All we have to do is look at a few stupid ads

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Originally posted by FreakBoy@3 August 2003 - 02:36
What i am surprised at is that ads wernt suggested.

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At http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php

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Ad Revenue Sharing
Sites like the Internet Underground Music Archive, EMusic.com, and Artistdirect.com provide an online space for fans to listen to music streams, download files, and interact with artists. In the meantime, these fans are viewing advertisements on the site, and the revenues are split between the site and the copyright holders.

Like radio, the money that funds the pie comes from advertisers, not consumers. But unlike radio, artists are rewarded directly. And since these sites often host a page for member artists, other payment methods are possible at the same time. IUMA, for example, compensates artists for both ad views and song downloads.

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Though I don&#39;t see Sharman and the AA working out anything at the moment.

I know this issue with banning P2P file sharing has been going on for quite a while, but I helped out in a way about a year ago with Internet Radio. I made all the contacts needed to try and do my part in stopping the issue of charging un-godly fees for something as simple as music. Well, today I joined this site and started to read some of the other pressing issues with P2P and that really bothered me that even though musicians in their own right deserve to be compensated for their work, I don&#39;t believe that making MULTI-millionaires out of them is neccesary. They still make a very large sum of money (more than i&#39;ll ever see) with the current CD sales as it is, so why are these people getting so money hungry? EVERY single musician out there were at one time normal and not uber rich, they only had talent above the average person. So does this reason and the fact that a recording label picked them up constitute them sueing the average Joe for money he doesn&#39;t have just because he has a few downloaded songs on his computer? Ask yourself that, then take the steps neccesary to squash this bill. I did and it took almost no time at all. Much thanks to Reality for posting multiple links to these sites that greatly broadened my knowledge. :)

THE FILE SHARING MANIFESTO

So now the music industry greedheads want to play rough. What’s the matter, their coke dealer won’t front anymore? Those techno-ghouls have been living high on the hog for the past 100 years and now they’re upset because the river of gold is down 10%. If they want to play rough, so can we. The only reason they can afford to pay their lawyers is because we all still buy CDs.

There is only one proper response to the file sharing attack – a complete and total boycott of all new recorded music purchases. Imagine if you got a summons in the mail. We must support our file sharing brothers and sisters. I SAY NO PURCHASES OF ANY NEW CDS OR DOWNLOADS UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE LAW ON FILE SHARING&#33;&#33; If you want music go to a show, or buy or trade used CDs.

Copy this and spread the word&#33; :rtfm:

I absolutly agree I constantly purchase new CD&#39;s but from now on NO PURCHASING&#33; I will start an absolute boycott amongst my contacts and myself I sugest everyone does the same start a boycott in your local area and/or community if they can afford to sue us they really dont need the money and if they run out of money they cant sue us. Remmember every time you purchase or pay for a song you are helping them sue a fellow P2P user. its time for the RIAA to stop their S**T. This will not happen if we dont allow it. They cant force you to purchase a CD&#33;

Thankyou Generationace, It&#39;s nice to see that someone has some sense. As for those who are all worried about artist&#39;s royalties, they&#39;ve been brainwashed. Music is a performing art - the key word here is performing. If artists want to get paid, they need to perform. Not live like ghouls on the ghosts of old echos.
Besides the whole industry is only the result of a technical glitch where it was easy to record, but difficult to copy. Those days are over. They all need to accept the new paradigm or fade away.

Consider the artists who have been most commercially successful on recordings. They have almost all been destroyed by that success. On the other hand an old dope fiend like Jerry Garcia survived for years despite his self destructive ways, largely because his recordings were not money makers and he had to tour. :rtfm:

You are absolutely right in your own rights to boycott the purchase of new music, be it on CD, tape, or, god forbid, LP&#39;s&#33;&#33; But either way you must also realize one important aspect of our nations laws and how Lawyers do business. When you decide to sue someone on a "righteous" claim, the firm decides if the risks are worth it. Basically it costs the person sueing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to file a law suit against any party, as long as the firm that he&#092;she goes to agrees that the venture is worth the inherent risks. If they end up losing, no one is out any money except for the firm, generally speaking (different firms, different rules). If the plaintiff ends up winning the case, the defendent is liable for any and all costs of the hearing that the plaintiff filed for and the plaintiffs lawyers get a percentage of the judges ruling payment amount. So weather you boycott or not isn&#39;t the true issue here because anybody can sue anyone for damn near anything for practically nothing out of their pockets. I say, do what you must to try and stop the RIAA from banning P2P filesharing, but don&#39;t forget to take action at the governmental level or all might as well be in vain. Please take the time to ponder this and then decide if it is truely worth your while to keep a free country with a free information network, just that, FREE.

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I say, do what you must to try and stop the RIAA from banning P2P filesharing, but don&#39;t forget to take action at the governmental level or all might as well be in vain. From Raven Firewing

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I don&#39;t understand what you mean here. I thought that taking action at the governmental level was the whole idea of a boycott. Each consumer votes with his or her wallet, (the only vote that counts), and the forces that actually control the government respond with real action. The manifesto says "UNTIL THEY CHANGE THE LAW ON FILE SHARING", not drop the lawsuit or some such weak appeasement. If the law is changed, isn&#39;t that action at the governmental level?
:rtfm:

If CD sales suddenly drop the RIAA can point to it as filesharing putting the companies out of business.

If sales get too low then they could spend stampede alot of laws though Congress.

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Originally posted by FreakBoy@4 August 2003 - 06:02
If CD sales suddenly drop the RIAA can point to it as filesharing putting the companies out of business.

If sales get too low then they could spend stampede alot of laws though Congress.

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That&#39;s the whole idea - CD sales have to drop through the floor to get our point across. They have to understand that we&#39;re not going to take this lying down. Maybe at first they won&#39;t get it. Maybe they&#39;ll pass the laws you&#39;re afraid of, but as the boycott continues, (And maybe spreads to games and movies, if it has to), then they will have to cry uncle&#33; It will only work if enough people get behind it, but if we stand together on this, they will have to give up. Look, if they intimidate you, they&#39;ve won - you might as well throw your modem in the trash. This is war and we have to go all out&#33;&#33;

quick question. does anyone think that some musicans use p2p file sharing programs?

So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713.

While I was doing all this movement and stuff I wondered... Can and will anyone come after P2P for software reasons because I download ALL my software from kazaa and it would really suck if I had to start paying for my VERY expensive taste for software.

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Originally posted by REALITY@4 August 2003 - 08:44
So are you folks sending these letters...
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713.

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I have. :beerchug:

Having CD sales drop too low might show our resolve, but it will also cause the RIAA to crack down even harder. We want to find a way to get free music w/o them crackin down

The bottom line is that recorded music is a technical novelty that has almost nothing to do with the artistry of music. The only reason that the industry got so powerful is that, due to a temporary discontinuity in the technology, making an original recording was relatively much easier than making an exact copy of that recording. That discontinuity is over and there is nothing that they can do about it.

Recorded music is a great promotional tool to sell the real product - the performance. The artists who realize that will prosper. The others are doomed anyway. Look at the history of Rock and Roll. The artists who made a lot of money recording were almost universally destroyed by that success. The artists who didn’t, but kept performing, had long and financially rewarding careers in spite of lifestyles that would have left a normal person a wreck in no time. .

I’m not saying that I should be able to copy a CD and sell it on the street, but digital copy of a sound wave is just about the most insubstantial possible form of property imaginable. After all what are we talking about, but a string of 0s and 1s. Carpenters don’t get paid for a videotape of them building last house that they built. They have to get up off of their asses and build another one. Every other job is the same. Why should musicians be awarded this windfall? Live performances are lucratively rewarded. They have nothing to complain about.

The truth is that there is no way to control the proliferation of digital files anymore. All the p2ps have to do is incorporate IP re-direction into their software. Unless they shut down the Internet, it can’t be stopped for long. There are bigger businesses that the RIAA that will never let that happen. But, this campaign by the industry is probably going to cause some real nasty pain for a few unlucky individuals. That cannot be tolerated. I say boycott all music purchases, except used physical media, until file sharing is completely protected by law. Any other stand is too weak, and only coddles those who would still attempt the ghoulish and greedy practice of living off of the ghosts of past performances.

1) I like Ben Harper&#39;s music, although I would never buy his CD while he is under the RIAA. He has told interviewers that he is not going to renew his contract and join an indie label...the moment he does, I&#39;m getting his CD. I think that we need to support more artists that have said "enough&#33;" with the RIAA taking their profits...I think they would be much happier if I downloaded their album off of K-Lite and then sent them 5 bucks in the mail...they&#39;d be making at least 5 times what they normally would off of a CD...I&#39;d be happy as hell too, knowing I save 10-15 bucks off retail, and that I was directly supporting the artists. All it&#39;s going to take is a few big name artists to go solo (in marketing, of course) to show the others that it is possible to make bank without the RIAA.

2) I recieved a signed letter from my representative a few years ago (I was 15 at the time) that said how she was aware that I was into the legality of P2P (which I was, but how the FFFF did she know???), and if I would like to discuss my position at a meeting. Of course I didn&#39;t take up the offer, because of my age, but it goes to show that some are willing to listen and bend their views to the public&#39;s will. They are there to serve you...their job is to stay in office, that&#39;s how they make money, and most, contrary to popular belief, aren&#39;t puppets for big business. If they don&#39;t reflect the public&#39;s view, they lose...and they can&#39;t carry out their agendas, regardless of what stance they take.

Randyleepublic--

I don&#39;t buy the &#39;it&#39;s nothing more than a string of 0s and 1s argument&#39;. The same thing could be said for a bank account.
While it&#39;s true that a traditional salsa band can do live performances, how is someone who just programs drum machines and tape loops, supposed to do a live performance? What if some of the rhythms and note speeds aren&#39;t even playable by human beings?
Also, I&#39;d say much of the artistry of today&#39;s music is in the recording process. What reverbs to use, which microphones to pick, what type of room the sound is recorded in, splicing and pasting parts of performances, tediously tracking multiple instruments... These are all part of the art of the recording process. I think your argument for the recording process would have been more true in say, 1920 when a recording was essentially just a recording of a live performance.
Having said all this, since most major recording artists only get about 5 percent of their record sales, I could certainly see lowering the cost of a &#036;15 cd to 75 cents. Of course, this doesn&#39;t solve the problem of stealing from someone like Ani Difranco or Aimee Mann who I&#39;m pretty sure aren&#39;t with any major labels.

Hi Kazoo,

The point is that a recording is now something that is too ephemeral to consider the kind of work product that a person can reasonably expect to get paid for. There are artists who arange spagetti on a plate. It may be art, but they don&#39;t expect to get paid for it. If a musician insists on working in a style that cannot be performed live that&#39;s their esthetic decision, just don&#39;t call out the goon squad to try to collect money for a recording of the sounds. A bank account is only 0s and 1s, but unless it is loaded in the proper platform, it&#39;s also worthless. I could have stacks of copies of bank account files, without access to the bank&#39;s network those files aren&#39;t worth anything either. Certainly I appreciate the work of many artists and buy the CD&#39;s at their shows, (I used to anyways, not now - not until my brothers and sisters are no longer in any lawyer&#39;s sights). I just don&#39;t think that copying a file is theft. Come on, 90% of music is "inspired" by someone else&#39;s work anyways. I&#39;m sorry that the recording = money gravy train is over, but musicians are going to have to do what other artists do and channel their work accordingly or not worry about it

While there are aguments on both sides, the mere fact that it is such a arguable question makes it an issue that should only be left up to individual people&#39;s consciences. But right now there are people who are about to be put through a lot of grief for doing something that they and millions of others agree is innocent. They don&#39;t deserve it and the only thing we can do to help them is support the botcott&#33;&#33;

How would you like to get a summons in the mail? Are you 100% unlicensed copy free? Throw the first stone or help out and boycott&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

I agree. Sadly it seems the only thing we can do to help out right now is to start a war, and boycott CDs untill RIAA is will to open their ears and listen.

According to Kazoo, Artists only get paid 5% of profit from CD sales,so I don&#39;t see why a liscenced distribution system wouldn&#39;t work.

Surely every file sharer is willing to pay &#036;1.5/month -- &#036;3/month to d/l music(10-20% a cd&#39;s price, that&#39;s equvenlent to each FSer paying the artist 2 -- 4 cd&#39;s money every month; how many people buy 4cds every month?) &#036;1.5 to download their favourite music from the net; compared to the &#036;15/month we pay just to surf the net, &#036;1.5 is nothing for all the music you want. But the artists are not earning any less than they were b4.
The only ppl who will be bankrupt from something like this will be orgs like RIAA.

So, i say Support the boycott&#33; Support fair file sharing&#33;&#33; DOWN WITH RIAA&#33;&#33;&#33;

So? A Dollar-fifty for downloading songs. Eh.
Not a Quid-fifty, please note. Or a Euro-fifty or a Drachma-fifty; or even a Globlle-fifty from the planet Drubellastmarkeltarius. Oh no, it has to be a fucking buck-fifty.
I honestly do Love the Americans. Their genuine warmth, their hospitaltity and their generosity; and most of all their (often) wicked sense-of-humour.
But dear God how I hate their fucking arrogance.
Mind you, many years ago during the Iran crisis an Iranian Cleric was asked by a CNN correspondent; "who really rules Iran"? and recieved the reply; "Ayatollah Dollar"&#33; Such is Life&#33;

So what&#39;s my point. O.K.
I do subscribe to a web site that allows me to download music in mp3, wma or ogg vorbis and at bit-rates up to 386 kbs.
And that is why I subscribe. In one word. Quality&#33;
Any mp3 at a bit rate lower than 192 kbs is, quite simply, crap.
99% of everything on Kazaa is 128 or less, so from a CD quality point of listening it is abysmally poor. What it does, however, is allow users to hear music by artists that they would never buy because they would probably never hear of them. If they like what they hear they would, I feel, and for the most, part go out and buy albums by that artist, or at least, find out what else was available.
I had never heard of &#39;Rondo Veneziano&#39; or &#39;Gregorian; Masters of Chant&#39;.
When I did, and became familiar with their music I bought it at HMV. 5 albums in 8 months.

So, if the RIAA are monitoring this forum, get wise and leave the kids alone.
What they&#39;re downloading is just good fun. They are not what is damaging sales.
The ridiculous price being charged is&#33;&#33; Nobody can afford them any more&#33;
If people are successfully prosecuted and fined, or even, God forbid, be sent to jail, they wont blame the faceless,nameless RIAA. They will blame the artists that
the RIAA are representing. They will blame Madonna, They will blame Fifty cent and J Lo, they will blame Rob.... I&#39;m sorry, I have to say, it no matter how painful it is, Robbie Williams&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
I can see the headlines in The Sun now

TENNAGERS JAILED FOR ROBBI[NG] WILLIAMS&#33;

Fifty million in the bank and five houses aren&#39;t enough? You have to take the only Dollar-fifty I got.
On that note [and a half] I&#39;d like to say; "Hasta la Vista, Baby"&#33; but I&#39;d be sued for copyright infringement if I did, and Arnie is NOT the man I want to mess with so I&#39;ll wimp out with Goodnight, folks&#33;

I&#39;m sorry i have to say this:

I&#39;m not American, I&#39;ve never lived or even been to America in my life. I&#39;m Chinese by nationality and currently lives in UK :P , so I don&#39;t think American arrogance would apply here.
I only used the US dollar because most people can identify with it, everyone aroung the world knows how much a dollar is roughly, a big pack of crisps, 6 chocolate bars in a multi sale, a ice cream on a hot day by the beach... Had I used Yen, Yuan or pound I think people would get confused. How many people knows how much a ROC Yuan is worth in real life terms? How many of them are on this forum? Not many. So, i just used &#036; because it&#39;s simpler and clearer.

Yeah, mp3s on Kazaa are not good quality, most are 128kb/s, some even 64kb/s; but as the saying goes "the more you pay, the more you get." &#036;1.5 a month for a lot of medium quality music is worth it, at least in my opinion. You can listen to it as backgroud music when surfing the net, playing games, even when doing homework essays; as long as you don&#39;t make CDs with them, most people wouldn&#39;t know the difference. Of course, people will still buy quality CDs for the songs they like; and some people will always think quality is everything. But the difference with file sharing is, everyone will be listening to a lot more music, people will have a lot more choice.

I think file sharing is good for everybody, common people, music artist, and music as a whole; (everybody except orgs like RIAA of course). File sharing really brings music to the people.
150 years ago, if someone wanted to listen to music, they had to go to a concert; then came records, that didn&#39;t stop people going to the concerts; then came the radio, which brought music to people&#39;s homes, at first the records companies tried to sue it to hell, but the radio actually increased record sales; Then there came TV, Cable TV, Sat TV, Internet radio, each of them does the same thing as Napster, Kazaa, Emule... -- bring music to the people, but did any of them push cassetts or CDs out of business? No, instead, they most probably increased CD sales. So, I don&#39;t see the difference between what Kazaa is today and what radio was in the 20s and 30s.
RIAA is like a cockroach trying to stop the wheel of human advance, it will inevitably fail.
But the big question is how many innocent people will be sued, get fined, or even go to prison before RIAA fails?&#33;

I truly believe that Congress will step in shortly with the latest madness involving SBC. A recent email I got from EFF...

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* Pacific Bell Sues Recording Industry for Customer Privacy

Electronic Frontier Foundation Supports ISP Resistance

San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation applauds a lawsuit
brought by Pacific Bell Internet Services on July 31 against three
organizations that are manipulating copyright laws to violate the privacy
of ISP customers.

The case concerns 97 subpoenas directed to Pacific Bell over the past two
weeks. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has issued
thousands of subpoenas to various ISPs, seeking the identity of music fans
who use peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing networks.

The lawsuit alleges that the RIAA, along with MediaForce, a company that
issues millions of "cease-and-desist" letters to ISPs, and Titan Media, a
gay-themed adult entertainment company, have distorted certain provisions
of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) in an attempt to force
Pacific Bell to breach its customers&#39; privacy.

Pacific Bell seeks a declaration from the court that any further subpoenas
and cease-and-desist letters for peer-to-peer file sharing activity must
follow some court-established safeguards ensuring that there is some
evidence of illegal activity before divulging personal information about
ISP customers.

"The misuse of the subpoena process by an adult entertainment company
emphasizes the potential for abuse with insufficient privacy protections in
the law," explained EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. "Without vetting by any
court, companies can issue subpoenas that disclose the identities of
targeted individuals and link their names to gay-themed adult porn, making
it impossible for them to regain their privacy later even if the
allegations are patently false."

This case highlights the privacy problems that led over 44 organizations to
join with EFF in opposing the subpoena process in a similar case involving
Verizon in Washington, DC, currently pending before a federal appeals
court.

"The DC Court dismissed our concerns about subpoena process abuse as
premature," added EFF Staff Attorney Gwen Hinze. "The California Court will
have an opportunity to consider critical privacy concerns in light of the
thousands of subpoenas the RIAA has issued as a clear abuse of the subpoena
process."

The RIAA&#39;s crusade has already drawn the concerned attention of Congress.
Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) recently announced an investigation into the
issuance of the subpoenas and the threatened lawsuits.

EFF applauds both Pacific Bell and Senator Coleman and urges concerned
citizens to learn more about ways to make filesharing legal while getting
artists paid at our Let the Music Play Campaign.

Links
For this release:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/20030731_eff_pr.php

Complaint in Pacific Bell v. RIAA case:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/PacBell_v_RIAA.pdf

RIAA v. The People:
http://www.eff.org/IP/P2P/riaa-v-thepeople.php

Story about Senator Norm Coleman&#39;s inquiry:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,...3,59862,00.html

EFF Let the Music Play campaign:
<http://www.eff.org/share/

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It would be very nice to see other ISP&#39;s follow suit, since they actually stand to loose quite a chunck of income if this goes the wrong way. No P2P, or P2P while looking over ones shoulder, and many of us will walk, especially broadband users. I have recently been contacting the legal departments of various ISP&#39;s to see what stand they are taking on this, most seem irratated and are atad neutral still yet. I would suggest in addition to the letters and boycotts, address those in charge at your ISP and let them know how you feel, and that you will walk if they fudge on this matter.

In truth the ISP&#39;s at the moment can be our strongest supporter here or become our biggest problem. I think the ISP&#39;s are willing and ready to stand behind us on this one, so let them know how you feel as well.

(so i havent posted a lot who cares?)

I dont know if this has been mentioned in this post before, but i have seen it "in-between" the lines.

Why should we have to pay almost &#036;20.00 for music that costs about 15 cents a copy to make (CD&#39;s) ? I see it this way, the RIAA deservers all this filesharing shit thats out there, its thier fault because they charge soo much for the fucking CD. maybee if they thought about lowering cd prices to like 5 bucks people would consider buying them. I know that if i Downloaded something that I like from kazaa lite or wherever i would end up buying a real copy of it for 5 bucks. because tehre are a lot of people out tehre who are lazy and would end up buying th ecd just so they dont have to check the mp3 files and make sure tehya re real no skips etc.... Filesharing should remain free and it will end up remaining free. The RIAA is just another corp. that thinks the average US citizen is dumb, and will pay outragous prices for music that costs a fraction of its cost to produce&#33;

and im finally done B)

Hola,

I have attained some movies that have [smr] tags in the title

i cannot view movies that say [smr] in the title.......
is this some new type of file?

new media [smr]?

what is [smr]

..........jose

i agree with chrisvan, they dnt cost much 2 make but we pay a fortune in shops jus 4 something were not gonna listen2 everyday.they should lower the prices and anyway we have shops tht sell them cheaper than most retail stores.

im from australia so i cant send a letter but good on you to all those that can&#33; And just a little side note to those who shall remain un-named.....a thankyou to those who are trying to do something would be nice........ after all they are in effect helping all of us here&#33;&#33;

As another Australian i applaud Reality for this constructive encouragement to all of the US members of the forum to act. To all the Americans who say they can&#39;t be bothered, i say to you &#39;apathetic people like you are what is most wrong with the USA get off your fat asses and stand up for yourselves. Of course the government won&#39;t listen to mutes.&#39;
I hope similar possibilities for UK, Australian and other nationalities will be posted as they become available. [ARIA is joining the RIAA in this insanity]
But as with many issues in the world today if the USA relents then the rest of the world will follow

Fight the power&#33;

Quote:

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Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23
Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued

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For loving music? No, for stealing music and distributing it to others to steal. Be honest with yourself. Don&#39;t blame the RIAA for attempting to enforce the law. Instead work on the musicians, producers, artists, marketing people, distributors, etc. - you know, those who produce the music you love - to do it for free&#33;

Or, work on changing the current world monetary system where people need to be paid for the work they produce in order to make a living.

Or, convince them to take as little money for doing this work as they can get away with. This way, you wouldn&#39;t be able to complain about the cost of buying their product. Of course, that would mean you would have to go to your boss and ask to have your pay reduced to the bare minimum. That would only be fair, yes?

If you accomplish that, you will be my hero&#33;

Good luck&#33;