Ratio requirements is what make private trackers good... What would it be if everything was free leech? Slow speeds, bad community... And why would private trackers exist?
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Ratio requirements is what make private trackers good... What would it be if everything was free leech? Slow speeds, bad community... And why would private trackers exist?
then how does the public trackers live? they have old stuff with a lot of seeders. they dont have any ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by FatBob
as long as the tracker is private, with fast uploaders, with the good users that we have today and a ratio rule similar to ftn then you will get fast speeds on the torrents
They live because of leechers, and because old stuff is hard to find on private trackers (most of them are 0days)Quote:
Originally Posted by SiNathen how does the public trackers live? they have old stuff with a lot of seeders. they dont have any ratioQuote:
Originally Posted by FatBob
No wonder why public trackers have awful speeds, viruses and no community...
Well on a tracker that has a small userbase,ratio woudn't be neccesery. Ppl woud seed to help other get the file, not everyone is a ratio whore.
As long as you give back 1:1 for each file you leech (or have the torrent to seed a fair amount of time for those old torrents where it's hard to seed back), then I don't see the point for a global ratio.
The important thing is that H&R are punished, and try to keep the torrent alive as much as possible (that's why those trackers with no-ratio/bonus for seeding time have the best system imo.
hmmmm, i think they call it FTN. an amazing site with great speeds and a very strong community....so you couldnt be more wrong, nt though.Quote:
Originally Posted by symphonyx
I don't think that the traditional ratio system is needed anywhere. That doesn't mean i think it should be free leech. Like most of us know, there are examples of torrentsites with other solutions. For example a system that requires a 1:1 individual torrent ratio OR a minimum period of seed time on that torrent. This means that you can grab torrents that has no leechers without risking to screw up your ratio. At the same time, if you can't manage 1:1 ratio you will have to seed the torrent for that period of time before you can close it. In other words, not the same as free leech.
EDIT: Sure, there are solutions where you keep the total ratio that i think is good aswell. Those where you get bonus points for seeding time, which you can use to buy upload credits, or reduce the download count.
have you ever used public trackers.....yes the speeds are awfull....but they have a lot better community then most of the private trackers....and there has never been a virus ,unless some one like you would upload it...with all your "private tracker is way better then public tracker bull sh*t".Quote:
Originally Posted by symphonyxThey live because of leechers, and because old stuff is hard to find on private trackers (most of them are 0days)Quote:
Originally Posted by SiNa
No wonder why public trackers have awful speeds, viruses and no community...
i just hate this kind of talk...if u dont know about something dont say bad things about it .
i think ratio is important thing to keep privatre communities alive
I have indeed recieved virii from public trackers. Check out how many different uploads there are for games and cracks for apps/games. Start dling all of those and tell me how long you will last without an AV.Quote:
Originally Posted by stitchedhave you ever used public trackers.....yes the speeds are awfull....but they have a lot better community then most of the private trackers....and there has never been a virus ,unless some one like you would upload it...with all your "private tracker is way better then public tracker bull sh*t".Quote:
Originally Posted by symphonyx
i just hate this kind of talk...if u dont know about something dont say bad things about it .
when i started using torrents i use public torrents (the pirate bay)for 1 month...downloaded about 10-20 gb movie,and a few appilcations..and also i downloaded this game called "metal fatigue"[i had been looking for this game for an eternity].. i never found any virus.....may be some times shit happens like everything is perfect with private trackers...that doesnt mean you can generalize the whole statement about public tracker ..its just the attitude of the people who use it, if only people would upload private trackers with the same honesty on public trackers speeds would be different that doesnt mean you blame any particular public torrent..and also how often we find something on public torrents which we cant find on any other private torrents,i am thankfull for those public torrents being there and i will do whatever little i can to contribute to the communtiy...all though i might downlaod from private torrents because of better speeds my loyality is towards public torrents FOREVER!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokeman
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Originally Posted by stitched
Sounds like your the one generalizing, I simply just answered your question as asked, yes i've used public trackers, and yes I've recieved virii. I never generalized anything, perhaps you mis-read.Quote:
Originally Posted by stitched
Public trackers have better community, not true for every public tracker, and not true for i would say 99.9% of them.
Remember ISO hunt, Mininova, btjunkie, are not Public trackers they are torrent indexing sites, a totally different thing.
Blackcats used to be public. without those link sites, the tracker would have been dead (no seeders or leechers) with those sites, the seeders/leechers were heaving, but the community was dead.
Most people never look at the announce on a torrent unless they have to (Private torrent) so I upload them to mininova, seeds/leech go into 1000`s within hours, but no one actually comes to the site because they dont even know Blackcats exists, they think its a mininova torrent.
that is the real drawback with these link sites, public trackers very very rarely get any visitors compared to Private trackers. also ratio doesnt exist, and i would say 90% of people that use public trackers hit and run badly. that also becomes true when a private tracker opens the doors, uploads nulled torrents onto mininova etc, gets 20,000 new members, withing a week, those 15-18,000 of those have been banned for low ratio.
like i said, ive run both. and private is definately the way to go.
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Originally Posted by yayyyyyyand have a mininum bw for entrance (100mbit up? 1 gbit up? you name it) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperator
What does that do to people in the US though where a "Business Class" connection (best offered around here and its like 60 bucks a month) is only 20mbit down 1.5mbit up?
I think Ratios should be displayed, but not used to ban/restrict. Users should be able to make their own wise decisions based on ratios. For instance, a 10mb file with 150 seeders and 5 peers probably doesn't need to be seeded after you download. Then again, that 150 seeders might not build up in the first place without ratio rules enforced.
See the main problem with bittorent is peoples damn greediness. It's based heavily on honesty/good will. Which is why I prefer sites with good communities to those with billions of files. They usually overlook things like this to a certain extent. (They usually require you to keep something like a .8 ratio, come on now that really isn't hard :/) My ratio is 3,162.796 on a certain site right now. But thats because I leave my computer on constantly.
here is the quote^^ and may be it will help you judge who was generalising...i have even writen an explanation in brackets...Quote:
Originally Posted by stitchedhave you ever used public trackers.....yes the speeds are awfull....but they have a lot better community then most of the private trackers....and there has never been a virus ,unless some one like you would upload it..(i said that because u seem to hate public trackers,and y would any one otherwise want to upload a virus,then again....my statement also implies "being infected by a virus is entirely possible).with all your "private tracker is way better then public tracker bull sh*t".Quote:
Originally Posted by symphonyx
i just hate this kind of talk...if u dont know about something dont say bad things about it .
...i was talking bout about the previous post which was judgemental...i never said you generalised anything,the you i was refering to was "public tracker haters,in general" forgive me for having not mentioned it earlier@TOKEMAN
well anyways forget about it.. i dont know know much...i have never run a public or private tracker, far from it still looking to become member of a few trackers....i will just take stoi's word for it...but still putting down a public tracker was totally uncalled for....i a big fan of the pirate bay (public tracker)and i stand up for things i care
well the piratebay is not the "norm" when it comes to public trackers, i meant those trackers that are run from users pcs, that believe it or not make up 99% of public trackers.
no one ever comes to them (some do yeah but not many) something like TPB though is that well known, people go there instead of Mininova etc to get what they want.
lets just say the TPB is an anomoly when it comes to trackers, it has the torrents and peers of a public tracker, but the community of a very big private tracker.
Kind of reminds me of demonoid.
I definitely think more and more trackers should move to seed time over ratio. If I seed something for 32 days and have only developed a ratio of 0.5 there's something wrong with that. I definitely like what BCG does with the seed points its some of the best stuff out there as your given upload as a reward for seeding the proper amount of time and it doesn't have to be done all at once. Other sites do plain seed time which works too.
if you hate ratio, join A-L. they ask you to seed for a certain period to avoid hit and runs, but you don't necassarily need to maintain a good ratio. seed bonuses are another way of fighting 'ratio', but instead of getting rid of the 1.1 rule or whatever, you can 'buy' ratio with seed timesQuote:
Originally Posted by disconny
sites i can think of that have some form of this:
TTi
Kray
Rockbox
A-L
Libble
STM
ST
so i guess use those trackers if you hate ratio. i like this extra 'bonus', but personally i still try and seed to at the very least 1.1, unless there way more seeders than leechers, so i can save upload for my torrents that need it
comments about virii: if you need anti virus software, learn about protecting yourself. I haven't used an AV in about 4 years and used public trackers everyday for everything. Never got a single bad file.
comments about virii: if you need anti virus software, learn about protecting yourself. I haven't used an AV in about 4 years and used public trackers everyday for everything. Never got a single bad file.