is filesharingtalk classed as a 'warez' site?

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Originally Posted by SonsOfLiberty

And a NZB does not point to a URL or server, the client you use to download has to read the Message ID from the post, and it has to "decode" teh message, that's not even remotely the same as Rapidshit.

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It's doesn't point to a specific server, that's where the differences end. An NZB is a specific location of a file. Yes, the newsreader has to read the message id and download the file. Similarily, the web browser has to resolve the domain and request the specific file. The newsreader decodes the download into a useable file, just like the user decodes a rar or a zip to get a useable file.

There's nothing "special" about usenet and nzb's. In the end it's binary data transfered over tcp/ip.

It's XML and as you can see it's quite different then Rapidshare....besides Raidshare links (for very hot titles) last days not 300 days. Thank god for my Firefox add-on when I do surf sites that have those links, it will have a green checkmark for good and red x for not there anymore, which is becoming more common, them not being there.

But it's still data pointing to other pirated data. The pointing data in itself is not illegal, but the data it points to is. In that sense, there is no difference. Semantics aside, they do the same thing.

End of the day dont this site help distripute illegal downloads through its nzb files, so to say this site is a 100% legit site is not so accurate. The argument of saying that this site dont host these files but merely links to where the files are did not really work for the pirates bay.

Ummm, we not TPB, we don't have torrents, NZB's are not illegal in any country. It's not illegal to use Usenet. There may be a court case against Newzbin...guess we will have to wait to see how that plays out...but back to the point....it's not illegal matter of fact it's legal to download from Usenet (even pirated content) in some countries as an example look at the FTD case.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-new...r-brein-352307

or google FTD and find out for yourselfs.

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Originally Posted by SonsOfLiberty

Ummm, we not TPB, we don't have torrents, NZB's are not illegal in any country. It's not illegal to use Usenet. There may be a court case against Newzbin...guess we will have to wait to see how that plays out...but back to the point....it's not illegal matter of fact it's legal to download from Usenet (even pirated content) in some countries as an example look at the FTD case.

http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-new...r-brein-352307

or google FTD and find out for yourselfs.

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It's not illegal to download from RS either. And I'm sure there are countries where pirated downloads are legal (or at least not prosecuted). I've never said usenet is illegal, I've said that posting nzb's is inherently no different from posting RS links.

Sure it is, Rapidshare links last for a month maybe less maybe longer, Usenet now has 300 days and counting. It's not illegal to download from Rapidshit, but they (you know who they are) are watching your downloads and exspecailly your uploads...have fun having your details given out by Rapidshare....they've did it numerous times.

From what I've read, RS doesn't give details for downloaders, only uploaders. This is also similar to usenet in that providers have given out account details for uploaders (I think only in the case of child pornography) but not downloads (unless there are reports about RS that I haven't read about?).

Also, you didn't comment on the part of my previous part about the near-indetical nature of nzb's and url's. Do you agree?

Somewhat, a URL and a Message ID are two different things, you don't need a NZB to download a file, but you do need the URL to grab whatever from Rapishare, correct?

Agreed. I just thought that they were similar enough where if one was allowed both would be allowed.

In practice, a "warez site" is anything the copyright cartel define it to be. There are no boundaries.

Does anyone remember the TV-links bust 2 years ago?

http://www.thenewfreedom.net/wp/2007...wner-arrested/

TV-links was a site that had links to YouTube, Google, and other supposedly "legal" video sites.

But despite that their sole "crime" was linking to pages on a legal website, TV-Links was busted. Theirs servers confiscated, and the admin and several mods (in more than one country) were arrested and their houses searched.

TV-links is only one of many sites to be busted this way. It seems that the one thing that the admins of all these busted 'link' sites had in common was that they all thought they were abiding by the letter of the law (since they hosted no actual content) and therefore had nothing to fear.

One busted site, ShareConnector, actually won its case in court, but the long, hard battle eventually took its toll, and the site admins lost the desire to keep on fighting, and shut down the ED2K site so they wouldn't any longer have to deal with additional lawsuits - both current and future.

Sharereactor lost in court and is back and looking pretty good...I'm a long time scene member from all those old ed2k sites...I was a mod at the one you mentioned above and Adi I don't think wanted to run the site anymore and hence the shutdown. In some countries Usenet is legal and download from Usenet is legal even if it's copyrighted work, because if you aren't sharing it and it's only for personal use they don't care...and no I don't remember the country it's in one of the news thread I posted but FTD is hosted there. Also, you can shutdown a tracker, but you can' shutdown Usenet for one simple reason, common carrier law.

In the Sharereactor bust, the police did not seize the domain name, as is standard policy these days. But Sharereactor was not really a bust in the usual sense, because Simon Moon/Christian Reisen had an ongoing 'relationship' with the police for months before a judge ordered the servers seized at a court hearing - supposedly after Simon admitted that he was making a lot of money from ShareReactor. So it was not a true police raid in the usual sense.

These days the copyright orgs work hand-in-hand with the police (often across several countries simultaneously) and will seize the server, arrest the admin(s), and hijack the site's domain name at the same time.

Simon Moon probably could have immediately put ShareReactor back online (like the Pirate Bay did) from a backup since he never lost the domain name. But since the police let him keep his other servers (unlike TPB) he probably didn't want to push his luck, I'm sure. I don't remember exactly what the situation was with ShareConnector. It seemed that after Shareconnector was taken down, the attention shifted to torrent sites, and the remaining ed2k sites stayed out of the crosshairs.

Here in the USA it's not uncommon for the police to use SWAT teams to serve arrest warrants for non-violent crimes (typically drug charges) - and send them busting down the door in the middle of the night - but it seems that tactic has not caught on in the rest of the world yet.

I remember that in the early ed2k years, there were only a few people who were releasing the majority of files on index sites, and no one was ever busted, to my knowledge. Usenet might be much the same. At least Usenet can be a lot safer, since anyone can post NZBs without being the original uploader.

Ehh whats wrong with a xml document (NZB) or a bunch of numbers (Verified numbers)?

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

Ehh whats wrong with a xml document (NZB) or a bunch of numbers (Verified numbers)?

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.nzb files are just like .torrent files to me...
except that with that nzb u don't need to upload shit
but i don't see what's wrong with both neither.

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

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Originally Posted by Gruelius

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

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Isn't it good to see that someone with so much experience of such things can give us the benefit of their wisdom. :dabs:

I have been here for a long time and never gotten into trouble for it, so I would say it safe.

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Originally Posted by Gruelius

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

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You obviously have a skewed definition of "warez".

"Warez" generally refers to releases of copyrighted materials in an illegal manner or in some way in violation of that softwares copyright intentions.

How could you possibly consider this site a warez site when we do not host anything or release anything at all for download? We don't even allow links to warez...

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Originally Posted by Skiz

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Originally Posted by Gruelius

its a warez site, no doubt about it.

But i dont think that they should be legally responsible or persecutable (or whatever the word is).

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You obviously have a skewed definition of "warez".

"Warez" generally refers to releases of copyrighted materials in an illegal manner or in some way in violation of that softwares copyright intentions.

How could you possibly consider this site a warez site when we do not host anything or release anything at all for download? We don't even allow links to warez...

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I'd class him as an idiot.

No doubts about it.

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Originally Posted by tesco

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Originally Posted by djkemp1

yes thats what im trying to say, a bit further up someone said that nzb's are fine but torrents aren't so why would nzb's not be classed as warez when torrents are?

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Not sure.
IMO, Torrents are fine.
The only reason we don't allow torrents here is because of all the heat on torrent sites. RIAA sueing and stuff.
They don't go after NZB sites (yet).;)

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I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

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Originally Posted by abosamer

I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

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Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

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Originally Posted by Skiz

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Originally Posted by abosamer

I think usenet got some trouble recently .;)

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Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

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lol What is the difference between got some and got into ? they seems have the same meanings to me :P

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Originally Posted by abosamer

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Originally Posted by Skiz

Nope. Usenet.com got into trouble. And that was because they were stupid as fuck.

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lol What is the difference between got some and got into ? they seems have the same meanings to me :P

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The difference Skiz was talking about was not between got some and got into. It was between Usenet in general (which you were referring to) and Usenet.com (which is a site that provides usenet access). That is the site that got some, got into, trouble. Not usenet in general.

If you live in somewhere like North Korea, Yes :)