BT Guru

stoi definitely

why do i get asked that and The Fox doesnt lol

I hate singlng anyone out, because i know i will piss someone off that i havnt mentioned. (trying to tread carefully here lol).

obviously all the CR that done a good job in the past, those that got offered CR but refused it because of the invite trading rule as well.

Members that know a lot about torrents in general, and dont get shirty too often in threads, even the best of us bite on occasion.

Post count means nothing, i personally think post count should not count in the invite threads, this will stop members saying GL and +1 and crap like that.

Spammers should even be considered, if some of their posts are deserving of the rank.

I am sure most members have a chequered history on here, some have probably reformed, but they can always swing back the other way as well.

I am sure the mods already have a fair idea who they are going to pick.

and damn, is that the longest sitting on the fence post you have ever read lol

Sorry stoi. I hear ya...(just value your opinion, but also don't want you to tread in unsafe waters). It hurts to get left out.:pinch::happy:

Brandon from FTN
FSC staff
Stoi

Members:
SGTMajor
SAM
Polarbear

So let me get this straight. A few bad CR's get promoted (by you i might add, staff) and you decide to remove CR alltogether and screw over the loyal staff members who spent countless hours here making YOUR site better by making it the known place to go for all community help.. and to make things better you're just going to give us a flashy new title and make us just forget the fact that you're now essentially screwing over the loyal staff members? What makes you any better than the disloyal CR's?

Take a look at my post count, my BT rep, and feel free to even read the hundreds of pm's I get. So much for loyalty on your part huh.
You can put a pretty frame on the picture, but it's still going to be the same ugly picture.
Feel free to disable my privileges here, do w/e u want to me. You already lost every ounce of respect I had for you, giving me letters above my name on a website will never make up for the respect you once had. And for those of you on staff that I kindly gave an account to on my site, I won't even retaliate for your disrespect. I just hope some day you learn how to run your site better in a manner as to which you realize the importance of taking care of the members who have stood by your side.

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So let me get this straight. A few bad CR's get promoted (by you i might add, staff) and you decide to remove CR alltogether and screw over the loyal staff members who spent countless hours here making YOUR site better by making it the known place to go for all community help.. and to make things better you're just going to give us a flashy new title and make us just forget the fact that you're now essentially screwing over the loyal staff members? What makes you any better than the disloyal CR's?

Take a look at my post count, my BT rep, and feel free to even read the hundreds of pm's I get. So much for loyalty on your part huh.
You can put a pretty frame on the picture, but it's still going to be the same ugly picture.

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All this was explained via MSN, but you come here in an attempt to trash us?

The fook? :dabs:

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Originally Posted by Skizo

All this was explained via MSN, but you come here in an attempt to trash us?

The fook? :dabs:

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Only thing you explained was:
A: you have no sense of respect
B: you don't know what friendship is
C: you don't even know what loyalty is yourself

I mean no personal disrespect to you. I still think you're a good guy skizo, which is why I have no intention to go disable your FTN acct in spite of you. I just think you need a bit of learning in the above points. I'm only expressing my anger and feelings on the situation. Is that no longer allowed also?

Brandon, don't get your self all worked up over it. In the Grand Scheme of things, whats the difference really?

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Brandon, don't get your self all worked up over it. In the Grand Scheme of things, whats the difference really?

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I helped staff members here on things that I only do for those I trust. I don't doubt there were others who did the same. Just as FST feels they got burned regarding bad CR's, those of us who trusted FST are now also getting burned.

Let me lay it out for you. Now instead of putting time into helping users here, I have to take that time and now put it into punishing users here. FST is now just a playground with no rules. If you know me personally, you know how much I value respect, and you know how hard it is to earn my respect. With that, I don't appreciate not only myself, but the other sites and people I respect also getting burned in the process. In the grand scheme of things, it's just like it used to be. I'll come here and have to punish every single user who breaks our rules rather than FST simply saying "no".

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I helped staff members here on things that I only do for those I trust. I don't doubt there were others who did the same. Just as FST feels they got burned regarding bad CR's, those of us who trusted FST are now also getting burned.

Let me lay it out for you. Now instead of putting time into helping users here, I have to take that time and now put it into punishing users here. FST is now just a playground with no rules. If you know me personally, you know how much I value respect, and you know how hard it is to earn my respect. With that, I don't appreciate not only myself, but the other sites and people I respect also getting burned in the process. In the grand scheme of things, it's just like it used to be. I'll come here and have to punish every single user who breaks our rules rather than FST simply saying "no".

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Ok, point taken!

Actually I can sum that up even better and into one sentence.

FST just took away the middle ground.

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What would really make this rank any differant that the CR anyways?

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there were rules that came with CR title.

ex: if there is a CR for XYZ site than FSTer are not supposed to trade XYZ account. Also, if there is CR for XYZ site, FSTer can trade their invites and CR were not supposed to ban 'em. :rolleyes:

I don't think there will be any such rule with this 'guru' title.

Unfortunately, life is always full of disappointment, especially when we experiment. FST is no different, in that the administration wish to change how something works.

Sometimes when we grow, we get pains (growing pains), which is a by-product of evolution. FST is evolving, as was TPG, and many other communities. Sometimes we do things wrong, for the right reasons, or right, for the wrong reasons.

A forum is like a baby, growing into adulthood. As time progresses, so existing ideas become untenable, while new ideas spring up to replace them.

As with all things new, some will embrace them, and some won't. Our feelings towards how we perceive a change is what makes us unique.

I don't think Brandon is overreacting, because that is how he feels about the scenario, whereas others think differently. I respect Brandon for his stance on the matter, irrespective of how I feel.

I think that Brandon deserves respect for standing by his ideals, regardless of how others, including FST staff, feel. Tolerance of each other is the very basic building block of diplmacy. 'I may not agree with you, but I respect your right to your own beliefs'.

I nominate SHUVT *pokemon voice*

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Originally Posted by TheFoX

Unfortunately, life is always full of disappointment, especially when we experiment. FST is no different, in that the administration wish to change how something works.

Sometimes when we grow, we get pains (growing pains), which is a by-product of evolution. FST is evolving, as was TPG, and many other communities. Sometimes we do things wrong, for the right reasons, or right, for the wrong reasons.

A forum is like a baby, growing into adulthood. As time progresses, so existing ideas become untenable, while new ideas spring up to replace them.

As with all things new, some will embrace them, and some won't. Our feelings towards how we perceive a change is what makes us unique.

I don't think Brandon is overreacting, because that is how he feels about the scenario, whereas others think differently. I respect Brandon for his stance on the matter, irrespective of how I feel.

I think that Brandon deserves respect for standing by his ideals, regardless of how others, including FST staff, feel. Tolerance of each other is the very basic building block of diplmacy. 'I may not agree with you, but I respect your right to your own beliefs'.

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I agree with you and I'm all for evolution and change. But I think that change should be evolution, meaning if it's broke FIX it, make it better and evolve it to work the way it should, don't just abandon it.

There isnt much difference really. Truly think with the new layout it will be much better. Think most have agreed on that. Have gone over how I feel about this with you through pm message and if you choose not to take any of my points and simply believe your initial reaction then so be it. Have also asked that you bare with the change. If ties we have are that good you wouldnt walk that fast would you...

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There isnt much difference really. Truly think with the new layout it will be much better. Think most have agreed on that. Have gone over how I feel about this with you through pm message and if you choose not to take any of my points and simply believe your initial reaction then so be it. Have also asked that you bare with the change. If ties we have are that good you wouldnt walk that fast would you...

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You already walked though. As I said to you in pm, the correct way to go about this would have been to have waited till you have come up with a new plan before destroying the old one.

I believe what I see, and what I see as of now is what I've already said. If you wan't to change my reaction please do, but it'll only chance when I see change on your part.

Well I disagree with you then so be it. Weve already gone over this in detail through pm message also. The CR thing had to go and no suprise we werent going to please all. If you have anything to say you know my MSN and are welcome to contact me about it...

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What a good idea. :)

For starters I'd definitely nominate;
- Stoi
- DV8Type

Is there truly a difference between removing bad community reps and leaving the good ones in place and abolishing the title in addition with the rules that came with it coming up with some completely different name then adding people back to the list. It just seems like a lot of wasted time effort and drama over nothing.

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For Starters:

DV8Type
DkRe8ive1
TheFox
RvT
Stoi
Vidde
Kingrob
Seppypom

For either their knowledge they bring to the BT world, not just what they produce here but elsewhere too, and they mostly share that with us and not just keep it to themselves, or their ability in to go out of their way to help members here, and not just members of their site who happen to be members here but other members too.

This list is by no means exhaustive, and I may add to it as this thread evolves.

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He's right about this one

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Is there truly a difference between removing bad community reps and leaving the good ones in place and abolishing the title in addition with the rules that came with it coming up with some completely different name then adding people back to the list. It just seems like a lot of wasted time effort and drama over nothing.

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I'm so glad at least one person understands.

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Originally Posted by briand5379

Is there truly a difference between removing bad community reps and leaving the good ones in place and abolishing the title in addition with the rules that came with it coming up with some completely different name then adding people back to the list. It just seems like a lot of wasted time effort and drama over nothing.

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I'm so glad at least one person understands.

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There's two sides to this, obviously. The mods want to retain quality members with a significance to their title to denote importance and give them a sort of "higher plane", while others believe the whole system shouldn't be redone as this would be entirely unnecessary and meaningless.

I do agree that there are a slew of useless community reps. However, community rep status isn't what distinguished these members; their knowledge and insight about technology and primarily trackers helped guide new members in the right direction. There were several community reps who didn't give a damn about other members and were exploiting their status for personal gain.

But you have to understand that there are some of us who really believe in contributing quality posts. Some of us have no need to advance up the "tracker level ladder". You have the 80-or-so-odd percentage of people who are here to trade or give away invites, but some of us are here to help. Some members truly communicate with other members without scathing comments or trying to usurp another member's position.

I can see where Brandon is coming from, and I partially agree. For the mods to do this would be unnecessary and is an insult to the people who had their status revoked (excluding myself) in favor of the new, more "elite status".

I do agree in the concept of distinguishing quality posters. Certain members need to be recognized for their contributions. I hope the mods understand where the members are coming from and attempt to construct an idea that pleases (at least most) everyone.

I have to agree with you on most points(I didn't completely see it that way). Whether the community reps stayed as is or now apparently the switch. This is obviously an issue shrouded in a "Grey Area" Like Reality mentioned, not everyone will be happy with the new decision(Some will , some won't).

If I was on Brandons status or "Level" I can see his point as well. He's been here for awhile, like alot of the other good community reps, and feel as though the community rep system had no reason to be hindered due to some bad community rep apples. I guess both issues at hand are not right or wrong, but in the end.

The Fst staff make the final decisions (Even if we don't all like or agree on them). I think in the end? this will work for the better good(Lets have high hopes people). We just all have to give it time and wait it out (I think this could really take off, in the right direction). Brandon, Krunktasic, or anybody else feel free to chime in, and correct or clarify some more, regarding this issue.

I would really like to see these guys get the recognition they deserve for contributing to FST and the BT community:

Staffers:
TheFox
RvT
DV8Type
DkRe8ive1
Stoi
Brandon
Seppypom
Vidde

Members:
Benchez
Sear
SgtMajor
PolarBear
Znik

I'm sure I forgot a few but at my current semi-drunken state those are the ones that popped into my head.

Edit: post #666.. :devil:
:P

I am not a member at F*N but I do frequent these forums very often. I can definetely see where Brandon is coming from, every post I have seen of his has always been in the spirit of helping. Not once have I seen him try and take advantage of his status here. If i remember correctly I think he even did a giveaway which encourage peopled to be creative and thoughtful. I can also say the same for the Fsc community reps.

I just dont think that a few bad apples should have ruined it for the the truly good ones. That's the same mentality that causes huge problems in this world. Either way a decision was made and we now have no choice but to live with it.

I have never talked to or met brandon but from what i can tell he is pretty upset about this. I honestly think that the mods here should swollow their pride and atleast try to see it from his shoes. It would be a shame to lose such a valuable CR and community member here.

Let me put it this way, If all the CR's had the same presence here as Brandon and the Fsc guys we never would have had a problem to begin with right? So why did we take away their status just to get to a couple of bad apples?

Jon

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Originally Posted by briand5379

Is there truly a difference between removing bad community reps and leaving the good ones in place and abolishing the title in addition with the rules that came with it coming up with some completely different name then adding people back to the list. It just seems like a lot of wasted time effort and drama over nothing.

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That would make TOO much sense.....

Whats done is done, write or wrong its done and dusted, we cant turn back the clock now.

I was only a CR for a few days, so this change doesnt bother me at all, but i can see that if you were a CR (and a bloody good one) for awhile, it could be seen as a kick in the teeth.

all i can say is, lets see what the future holds.

I think the most obvious people worthy have been stated.
The main ones, IMO being Stoi, DV8Type, DkRe8ive1, and TheFox.

I'd like to add elektROnik (I think there has been another mention) and Fiamma.
In my experience, although they don't have a lot of posts here, they've been really helpful, and they're certainly active enough on their own sites.

But I suppose it depends on how loosely "active at FST" is defined.


Anyway, props to trying to make something work, I was sad to see CR go with all the problems it had. Good luck with the new system.

I forgot about Fiamma (She is a very strict but great mod, dedicated to helping others). Also I forgot about Polarbear(He seems to be extremely sensible). Reality I think you got a good 5-10 names, including 2-3 non bt staff members that must be BT Guru's(I mean't extremely deserving of the bt guru mark).

There are so many remarkable and wise members I have met and admired all these years that would be impossible to recall them all.

Just to name a few Com Reps:
TheFox, DV8Type, Vidde, Brandon, RvT, DkRe8ive1,Stoi, Seppypom

and of course, devoted and knowledgeable members such as:
Sear, Corey, sense, kallieb, Moonspell13, Shuvt, krunktastic, pro267, benchez, Bunny67, Polarbear, SAM,kaffeine, Artemis, phrenzy, Alco23,pro267,Blue_Skies, DefX, Dr. Lecter, ghurka, Kirstein, popopot, ,WHRST, sylar666, Artemis, brotherdoobie, grimms and many others.

I believe though that wise members don't need a BT rank such as "guru" to be spotted. That's pretty easy I think.
Maybe just a little sign beside their username to denote their devotion to FST.

Com reps should, however, have kept their special title, since a lot of members may need their special help and should be easy for everyone to distinguish them (if that's what they want too of course.)

Let me clarify something that I think is being misunderstood.
I don't care about the status. I never cared about having "community rep" above my name.. I've been in my position long enough that status means nothing to me. I'm fine being a normal user here that's not what upsets me.

Long ago I used to disable every single user here who so as hinted at trading an invite, or an account. And I was very good at it. FST made a deal with me in the terms that I would allow invite trading at the cost of them dis-allowing account trading. I bit my lip and took the lesser of two evils. We both benefitted and everyone was happy. Myself, FST staff, and the users.

Now, things are back to the old system where it's a free for all and I'm going to once again be on a rampage of disabling every single user I see so as mention FTN. Part of the reason I agreed to allow invite trading here was because it took a load off my shoulders and gave me more time to put towards being an active member here in a more positive way rather than "The Big Bad Brandon".

What FST has now done, in my case as well as others, is open up the flood gates to a world of hurt. They've turned their backs on us (those of us who followed the agreement) and in turn broke the middle ground we once had established. So now FST is happy, but myself, and the users I'm going to be disabling will no longer be happy. That to me seems like more people will be unhappy than the old system, so we're sort of going backwards in terms of productivity here.

I'm pissed off because A: they broke the truce. and B: now I have devote all my time to disabling users rather than being an active member here.

For anyone who's reading this and wants my help, don't bother. I won't even waste my time reading my pm's anymore. I just don't have the time. I'm sorry, but I no longer have the option to help this community or its users.

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I nominate SHUVT *pokemon voice*

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I second this, but not with a gay pokeman voice

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Let me clarify something that I think is being misunderstood.
I don't care about the status. I never cared about having "community rep" above my name.. I've been in my position long enough that status means nothing to me. I'm fine being a normal user here that's not what upsets me.

Long ago I used to disable every single user here who so as hinted at trading an invite, or an account. And I was very good at it. FST made a deal with me in the terms that I would allow invite trading at the cost of them dis-allowing account trading. I bit my lip and took the lesser of two evils. We both benefitted and everyone was happy. Myself, FST staff, and the users.

Now, things are back to the old system where it's a free for all and I'm going to once again be on a rampage of disabling every single user I see so as mention FTN. Part of the reason I agreed to allow invite trading here was because it took a load off my shoulders and gave me more time to put towards being an active member here in a more positive way rather than "The Big Bad Brandon".

What FST has now done, in my case as well as others, is open up the flood gates to a world of hurt. They've turned their backs on us (those of us who followed the agreement) and in turn broke the middle ground we once had established. So now FST is happy, but myself, and the users I'm going to be disabling will no longer be happy. That to me seems like more people will be unhappy than the old system, so we're sort of going backwards in terms of productivity here.

I'm pissed off because A: they broke the truce. and B: now I have devote all my time to disabling users rather than being an active member here.

For anyone who's reading this and wants my help, don't bother. I won't even waste my time reading my pm's anymore. I just don't have the time. I'm sorry, but I no longer have the option to help this community or its users.

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I guess it just boils down to the whole respect thing you were talking about before. When the staff here approached the CR's an agreement had to be made and in order to do that both parties had to agree. I am not sure but it seems like when CR was taken away, the tracker owners and represantatives had no say in the change in rule; not even the good active ones.

Are these assumptions correct?

If they are I can see why one would be extremely irritated about that. I mean just because there is no CR status that doesn't mean respect for trackers just goes out the window. So why are we allowing account trading here now?

If the tracker owners and represantatives allowed invite trading in order to better help the community here with there time I think the least we can do is honor the original agreement, CR or no CR.

Just my two cents

Jon

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Let me clarify something that I think is being misunderstood.
I don't care about the status. I never cared about having "community rep" above my name.. I've been in my position long enough that status means nothing to me. I'm fine being a normal user here that's not what upsets me.

Long ago I used to disable every single user here who so as hinted at trading an invite, or an account. And I was very good at it. FST made a deal with me in the terms that I would allow invite trading at the cost of them dis-allowing account trading. I bit my lip and took the lesser of two evils. We both benefitted and everyone was happy. Myself, FST staff, and the users.

Now, things are back to the old system where it's a free for all and I'm going to once again be on a rampage of disabling every single user I see so as mention FTN. Part of the reason I agreed to allow invite trading here was because it took a load off my shoulders and gave me more time to put towards being an active member here in a more positive way rather than "The Big Bad Brandon".

What FST has now done, in my case as well as others, is open up the flood gates to a world of hurt. They've turned their backs on us (those of us who followed the agreement) and in turn broke the middle ground we once had established. So now FST is happy, but myself, and the users I'm going to be disabling will no longer be happy. That to me seems like more people will be unhappy than the old system, so we're sort of going backwards in terms of productivity here.

I'm pissed off because A: they broke the truce. and B: now I have devote all my time to disabling users rather than being an active member here.

For anyone who's reading this and wants my help, don't bother. I won't even waste my time reading my pm's anymore. I just don't have the time. I'm sorry, but I no longer have the option to help this community or its users.

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i could not agree with you more
i would love to be able to help members here but now the deal i made with fst has been broke i am now back to catching all traders ect again this is going to take most of my time due to this i have disabled my pm box and any user needing help will now need to go though my sites support system
fst turning there back on ppl who did not break the deal's offered is a big step back :(

I feel for Brandon as well. I can't imagine what it would be like to finally get a chance to focus on being simply a good member of a forum, only to have your old heavy duties thrown back on you.

Heres to a hopeful future for you, Brandon!

I believe that account trading should be totally prohibited in here, whether there was an agreement with some trackers or not.

It only spoils the reputation of FST.

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I believe that account trading should be totally prohibited in here, whether there was an agreement with some trackers or not.

It only spoils the reputation of FST.

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agree :P

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Now, things are back to the old system where it's a free for all and I'm going to once again be on a rampage of disabling every single user I see so as mention FTN. Part of the reason I agreed to allow invite trading here was because it took a load off my shoulders and gave me more time to put towards being an active member here in a more positive way rather than "The Big Bad Brandon".

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One thing I have discovered is that if you show respect, you tend to get respect.

How does this work?

Well, at FSC we encourage our member to be our eyes and ears. After all, staff are not everywhere. Since many of our members are also members here, that attitude is reflected very much within the invite forums.

I am amazed at how many account request threads are drowned out by pro-FSC members. These people are proud to be members, and work along side staff in an attempt to ensure that account trades are minimised.

I believe it boils down to one simple fact. If people value their membership, they will fight to preserve that membership, and people value their membership when they are more than just a user ID.