I'm getting tired from this

I'm not really trying that hard to get attention, nor to climb the ladder. But for what its worth I've got a 3.X ratio, uploaded over 1TB including 25+ torrents of my own that were popular, 100+ comments and posts, etc. Nobody notices though because there are always those guys who have been there for 2 years or upload 5 0day releases every morning, etc. So I think it would be nearly impossible for the average user.

So without giveaways (like the one I got to Demonoid RIP) I would be downloading passworded archives from The Pirate Bay still....

I did say in an "ideal World"

i never said it actually happens, even though i think it should work that way.

think of a pyramid scheme, but with no money or the bad things that happen with pyramid schemes lol

Well said stoi. Personally I think we should keep allowing members to do giveaways and requests and I'm pretty sure it will stay this way. What it will come down to is that the inviters will need to have more strict rules and carefully check out the person they choose to give an invite to. I've gotten my "higher" level trackers through invites so I make sure I pay the my inviter back by keeping a good account. People need to stop trying to get everything they see, and concentrated on what they actually use.

Well do the members that have invites on private trackers also frequent open sites like BitSoup looking for those to give invites to. Think quite often members that are both at private trackers swap with each other. They know theyre not dealing with a n00b that way perhaps. Though how do they meet each other if theyre not on the same site to begin with. Well your guess is as good as mine now...

Ask yourself, what are you doing giveaways for, and who really is the beneficiary of that giveaway, the person giving and getting himself in the limelight, the person requesting for any number of reasons?

We really have to get out of this mentality of anyone requesting an invite by opening a thread and asking for a tracker invite is a beggar, that really annoys me, hopefully at least he has done some homework on that tracker, and if I see a good request then all the better, why is a requester a beggar?? Much more deserving of an invite than a pathetic response "plze gimme that for my xxxxxx" in a giveaway thread?

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stoi, I've tried just that at BitSoup and nobody has invited me anywhere since I joined like 4 months ago. That may be partly due to the fact that they don't allow you to even mention another site on there...

I think its easy to suggest, but much different in reality for us noobs who don't have a friend to invite us to some cool trackers. I think friends + trading is where a lot of invites go rather than being given away to some random person like myself.

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Awwww, Can I be your /special/ friend?

give away to trusted friend you know, not in public giveawya to every cheater has a chance.

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Originally Posted by stoi

I did say in an "ideal World"

i never said it actually happens, even though i think it should work that way.

think of a pyramid scheme, but with no money or the bad things that happen with pyramid schemes lol

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Of course, of course. I only meant to add a noobs perspective to that of someone who runs what I hear is a great tracker.

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

Ask yourself, what are you doing giveaways for, and who really is the beneficiary of that giveaway, the person giving and getting himself in the limelight, the person requesting for any number of reasons?

We really have to get out of this mentality of anyone requesting an invite by opening a thread and asking for a tracker invite is a beggar, that really annoys me, hopefully at least he has done some homework on that tracker, and if I see a good request then all the better, why is a requester a beggar?? Much more deserving of an invite than a pathetic response "plze gimme that for my xxxxxx" in a giveaway thread?

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stoi, I've tried just that at BitSoup and nobody has invited me anywhere since I joined like 4 months ago. That may be partly due to the fact that they don't allow you to even mention another site on there...

I think its easy to suggest, but much different in reality for us noobs who don't have a friend to invite us to some cool trackers. I think friends + trading is where a lot of invites go rather than being given away to some random person like myself.

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haha Of course. I trust anyone with a mustache. :lol:

well bitsoup was just one name i pulled at random, ive never been a member there so havnt a clue how it works, but i presume it has a ratio system, and forums/comments.

so if you do "frequent" there, which is the way it should be done imo you can see the good the bad and the noobs anyway.

btw i have nothing at all against noobs, we all had to start somewhere, i crashed doncax server by uploading the rar for quake and not a torrent when i first started out 5 years ago.

if you giveaway on here, you dont know who they are, if you giveaway on trackers, doesnt matter if they are lvl 1 or 10 you can get an idea of what the member is like, and what content they desire the most.

obviously someone that just downloads movies, your not going to invite to bcg, and someone that just downloads games your not going to invite to waffles.

I know what im saying goes against the grain of FST, but why giveaway on here, when you can do it on a tracker.

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Originally Posted by bluelabel

sorry for doing that but I had many giveaways lately and each one I saw the same word
"please I need it"
"pleas that one is good for my study"
"I looking for along time to that one"
the same shit over and over

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but lets see in real how much they "realy" want it
p.s
what you going to see its only little exmple, there is more

bluelabel? Only giveaway invites to people you can trust and know (even if you only know them through the internet). Also get some direct proof links as well. It does get annoying. I have invited a few people, to only see that they downloaded nothing. It pisses me off more then anything, especially after saying they couldn't live without an invite to that particular site. That you just happened to have an invite too. It's tough man i know...Just use your better judgement as best as you can.

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I know what im saying goes against the grain of FST, but why giveaway on here, when you can do it on a tracker.

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haha, I uploaded an AVI file instead of the torrent file once, crashed the torrent site as well :)

As for inviting within torrent sites, some allow it, dome don't, but most are very insular and you can't get a rounded idea of what is what, if all tracker site forums had an area for offers & wants of invites, then it might work, but then here would be dead, swings & roundabouts, and I doubt anything will change.

well in answer to that.

We "did" have a forum for offers/requests, but a lot of sites complained about it.

so i asked why.

most resounding answer was that they would rather it was done through PMs to trusted users, than open to PU and above.

I am not saying every tracker is like that, but these were some of the big name trackers that im talking about.

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That's true.
A lot of friends I have invited in the past haven't used their accounts as well.

However, the most retarded thing is to giveaway your account when you no longer need it.
I prefer an inactive invitee than someone who gives away his account because he doesn't like it any more.
I always ask my invitees to delete their account if they no longer need it, than give it away to a stranger. :dabs:

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totally agree.we shouldn't give accounts away

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HAHA everyone knows my stance on this. Should I go into my 6 pages of anti-trade rants?:yikes::pizza::guinesssm

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Originally Posted by jonny81985

Yea i think that more people should fill requests. Sometimes I think people do giveaways for attention. Look at it this way, If you fill a request no one knows it and you dont get any credit. But if someone is requesting something they are more likely to actually use it. If you do giveaways everyone see's and you look like a "good guy". But chances are the person you are giving the invites to are probably just collectors.

I think to make this place better we should really start considering requests, especially if the person requesting is a good, up[standing, active member here. Maybe u wont get as noticed, but who cares, we should be here to help people not advertyise our kindness if u can really call it that.

Here's to saying we should defientely give privately to people who really deserve it, not publicly to get good attention for ourselves.

Just my two cents, let me know what u guys th ink

Jon

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Do it privately to members you think(Hopefully in your mind it's really, I know I can trust) you can trust, has a proven track record(Could be hard, but is not if you really do your research). I no longer do giveaway's due to some of my accounts getting disabled and also due to "Good members" here and on other trackers frowning upon it. Requests are fine though, I see no harm in that. You just have to use your better judgement.

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Originally Posted by stoi

well maybe you have not made a good enough impression lol

i think the main problem is, members tend to forget their roots, they forget where they had to start from, so as soon as they get a lvl 4-5 or more, they never ever go back to places like bitsoup to keep the ball rolling, which in turn tends to have another knock on effect for members like you, who are trying to "get up the ladder" for want of a better term.

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I do see that happening alot. You just have to "Remember" where you came from. It is important to giveback (To those deserving members). It could be challenging at times. It's like a person who grew up broke, then got a good paying job or hit the lottery, now they have all this money and forget their friends, where they came from, and in some cases their own family. Always remember where you cam from. Me i came from Oink and now FST(My second coming).

I can understand your disppointment bluelabel but that's life.
Sometimes you meet good sometimes you meet bad guys.
At the end of the day if you feel good with yourself it's ok.

I tottaly agree with stoi we are forgetting our roots.
But it's not only about collecting at least not for the new ones.
We really don't know our needs so when I had bitsoup, I wanted TB,
now I'm curious about TL, tommorow I try to get into SCT and etc.
I believe fatcat when he says that if you are member in a good 0-day
tracker you don't really need another one even if it's a rare one.
But I want to try another to learn by myself which one is better for me.
It's called curiocity and it is normal.
Although cat doesn't like it ;)

Very true. Just cherish what you already have most of them are the same(some of them are exceptionally, not always just for content either). UG is level 1 (do i hate thoses) but i couldn't live without it.

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Originally Posted by jonny81985

Yea i think that more people should fill requests. Sometimes I think people do giveaways for attention. Look at it this way, If you fill a request no one knows it and you dont get any credit. But if someone is requesting something they are more likely to actually use it. If you do giveaways everyone see's and you look like a "good guy". But chances are the person you are giving the invites to are probably just collectors.

I think to make this place better we should really start considering requests, especially if the person requesting is a good, up[standing, active member here. Maybe u wont get as noticed, but who cares, we should be here to help people not advertyise our kindness if u can really call it that.

Here's to saying we should defientely give privately to people who really deserve it, not publicly to get good attention for ourselves.

Just my two cents, let me know what u guys th ink

Jon

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well I dont know what you saw but I saw many collectors that fill req's, collectors are collectors and they will try to touch any tracker they want.

here is some prove to you
what is the most req trackers???
all the high lv
FTN, SCT, NB, TT.....
90% of the req are those tracker that I mention

once in a while you see low lv req

Personally, I really hate the "I need" approach when people ask for trackers. Hey, guess what?! Ya don't "need" anything... wanting it is another matter.

just over half the invites i've given out since i've started have gone unused (and sometimes disabled for inactivity depending on the tracker) and i've given over 100.

Wow that's pretty sad. I would hate to see that happen if I ever have invites to give out...

I don't know why someone would accept something rare that they had no intention to use in a sharing community. It seems antithetical to the fundamental principles of filesharing.

they want it because it is rare, they get there and see that a lower level tracker is just as good if not better and never use it.

Welcome to FileSharingTalk, kind sir. If you decide to continue sharing invites to these tracker collectors, I'd like to wish you luck.

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they want it because it is rare, they get there and see that a lower level tracker is just as good if not better and never use it.

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I guess that makes sense. I'm curious about a few trackers that are smaller and more focused, but I guess you're right that I don't really know if they are any good let alone which one might be the best for me to seek. But still, if I got into a "better" tracker I'd think that they'd be smaller and have less noobs around, so I'd definitely use it to supplement my media cravings.

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Originally Posted by jonny81985

Yea i think that more people should fill requests. Sometimes I think people do giveaways for attention. Look at it this way, If you fill a request no one knows it and you dont get any credit. But if someone is requesting something they are more likely to actually use it. If you do giveaways everyone see's and you look like a "good guy". But chances are the person you are giving the invites to are probably just collectors.

I think to make this place better we should really start considering requests, especially if the person requesting is a good, up[standing, active member here. Maybe u wont get as noticed, but who cares, we should be here to help people not advertyise our kindness if u can really call it that.

Here's to saying we should defientely give privately to people who really deserve it, not publicly to get good attention for ourselves.

Just my two cents, let me know what u guys th ink

Jon

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well I dont know what you saw but I saw many collectors that fill req's, collectors are collectors and they will try to touch any tracker they want.

here is some prove to you
what is the most req trackers???
all the high lv
FTN, SCT, NB, TT.....
90% of the req are those tracker that I mention

once in a while you see "ow lv req

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My point is rare or not rare it really doesnt matter. I firmly believe this whole public giveaway thing is to bring attention to yourself (not u specifically, just people who do giveaways) Personally I just think it's better to offer help to people and involve yourself in good healthy conversation on the forums here. If you have invites my opinion is wait until someone requests that tracker. Dont post in the thread but do some research into their past. If u are happy with that you see, then make contact with them via pm. Maybe ask them a few questions, get a feel for whether they deserve it or not and then decide whether they want it or not.

My biggest problem is with people who do giveaways and then in their req's say "I have given a lot here so now I want to ask for x tracker. I give sct and blah blah. Well u get the point, people who give to recieve.

IMO just do it privately to help some good guys out :)

Jon

I made about 3 giveaways, and always the same script you tell.
Then I tried other way: to select the invitee when I saw somebody looked like he deserved. I must say that i got frustrated again.
The last try was "trusted" members... the worst experience of all, maybe because I thought it was a safe way, but it doesn´t.

Of course, I must say that we are talking about the high number of users who disappoint the inviters, but it´s also true, at least in my case, that I´ve received great satisfactions and they became extraordinary users, unfortunately this is in a very little number.

the other problem is.

1 tracker to you might be your gold mine, the same tracker to someone else might as well be their toilet.

there are lots of factors someone might not like a tracker.

too many users
not enough users
not enough torrents
too many torrents
wait times
# of seedboxes
how hard and even how easy it is to keep a ratio
the staff, being to strict or not strict enough
community full of e-penis members, not enough e-penis members
themes that they dont like.
waiting for freeleech and X2 upload.

the list goes on and on and on.

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just over half the invites i've given out since i've started have gone unused (and sometimes disabled for inactivity depending on the tracker) and i've given over 100.

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Woh, more than half of the invites go unused! What a waste. I've invited someone to bitme. It's been 2 weeks and he has yet to use it.. I'm beginning to have second thoughts about making my first giveaway..

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My point is rare or not rare it really doesnt matter. I firmly believe this whole public giveaway thing is to bring attention to yourself (not u specifically, just people who do giveaways)

My biggest problem is with people who do giveaways and then in their req's say "I have given a lot here so now I want to ask for x tracker. I give sct and blah blah. Well u get the point, people who give to recieve.

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I agree that some do giveaways just to boost their rep points so that they can get into better trackers. I notice some requires a minimum number of rep points. So a lot are tempted to giveaway low level trackers (even if some are open for signups). 1 rep point for giving say bitsoup (the most used example :)) is the same as 1 rep point for giving away an invite to say ScT.

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I agree with stoi. Also I notice that a lot of people are merely curious about the high-level trackers so many people are asking for. The demand would certainly arouse interest, interest then desire. I wonder why so many people want ScT or FTN. The only way to peek what's inside is to join thru invites. [I doubt someone would share his account details just for you to check it out]. Since the main goal for some is just to satisfy the curiosity, joining a high-level tracker is their ultimate goal, and not really using it. Hence, the account is left unused. Just my thoughts. :)

most people who ask for trackers such FTN SCT is only because they want to look "strong" at the tracker wrold
I know many people that have SCT and cannot use it, cause tracker like SCT requires box and if you dont have one its only metter of time untill you will be band
but still they acting as big shoot -"oh look at me I have FTN I'm playing in the big boys court now"
so most of it its only to look important

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most people who ask for trackers such FTN SCT is only because they want to look "strong" at the tracker wrold
I know many people that have SCT and cannot use it, cause tracker like SCT requires box and if you dont have one its only metter of time untill you will be band
but still they acting as big shoot -"oh look at me I have FTN I'm playing in the big boys court now"
so most of it its only to look important

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I disagree with you not all. I don't have a seedbox my ratio on ScT is around 50.000 with around 70GB ul and 2GB dl. No seedbox. I haven't been banned. So i would correct or edit some of your post (I'm just speaking from personal experience) It's about how long you seed your torrents for. I have been seeding the same torrents from sct, for about 4 months straight now, some small and others large. It's all about how much and how long you seed back.

The whole asking for speed tests is bullshit. Some of the best users have crap upload. So they don't seed to 15.0 ratio taking away other people chances of keeping ratio, but unlike the ones that seed to 15.0, they do their best in most cases.

As for public giveaways, I never do them. If I give someone an invite here, it's someone that has made an impression. Whether it's a direct request in the invites section, or just a quality post in the bittorrent section where the want/need for a tracker gets mentioned.

Ask for direct profile links.
Look at snatch list, how long they have been a member, maybe even activity in the forum, or just torrent comments which prove character.

I have had a few bad invitees as well, but the majority actually use the tracker I have invited them to.

BTW I have also been a bad invitee on one or two trackers and the reason was lack of research before asking for it, and when I got it I saw I didn't really want it.

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The whole asking for speed tests is bullshit. Some of the best users have crap upload. So they don't seed to 15.0 ratio taking away other people chances of keeping ratio, but unlike the ones that seed to 15.0, they do their best in most cases.

As for public giveaways, I never do them. If I give someone an invite here, it's someone that has made an impression. Whether it's a direct request in the invites section, or just a quality post in the bittorrent section where the want/need for a tracker gets mentioned.

Ask for direct profile links.
Look at snatch list, how long they have been a member, maybe even activity in the forum, or just torrent comments which prove character.

I have had a few bad invitees as well, but the majority actually use the tracker I have invited them to.

BTW I have also been a bad invitee on one or two trackers and the reason was lack of research before asking for it, and when I got it I saw I didn't really want it.

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This.

And:

Most people who say that the don't believe in rarity really DO. Plenty of people would rather have SweDVDr over TDC or ScT over SCC. The fact of the matter is that people who care about rarity will, and more sensible people won't. I can tell within 30 seconds of chatting with someone whether or not I will invite them anywhere.

Have to agree with you their. I should of used better judgement as far as doing invite giveaway's versus just pm'ing a member who i felt like made an impression on me and actually deserves an invite(Something i do now of course).

Only 20 percent of fst members, are worthy or trust worthy enough of 80 percent of the bt trackers being offered.

Only 20 percent of fst members, can be trusted 80 percent of the time.

Only 20 percent of fst members, actually use 80 percent of the trackers their a member of.

80/20 rule is what i go by.

If I have 80 percent or more faith in you, then you left a good impression. Which happens only about 20 percent of the time on fst.

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Why do people need Freebies when there's a Heap of open sign ups..

Not long ago I got into Blackcats and RevTT....recently it was pisexy.

Trackers of that calibre are very rich for my blood,....

I really don't need much else....

Why risk your arse to lose ure account inviting peeps u don't know....:dabs:

Some members feel like giving away invites is the only way to be respected (I never thought this way) I just like helping people. Others Probably gave away invites to be noticed, and hopeful that the'll get something better in return (Invite to a higher level tracker). I myself now see the dangers in giving away invites for free (Even with using the better of my judgement). Roxxy, I wouldn't of lost one or two good accounts if i listened to that advice long ago (Helping people in the way of giveaway's) is not always regarded as smart or the best thing to do. Thats my four pennies, now subtract two and thats= my two cents(or sense).

but the all thing is to share
the sad part is that i don't see any reson to share it anymore
people just want everything
sucks

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but the all thing is to share
the sad part is that i don't see any reson to share it anymore
people just want everything
sucks

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people are greedy. it's human nature.

We'll i haven't read all 8 pages of this thread but i'm gonna post anyways HAHA!

For trackers like bitme,kg and other specialized trackers, the tracker often isn't what people expect it to be. They think a tracker is this and that and once they're invited they find out the tracker doesn't really fit their needs .

Also, alot of people on here are newer to trackers and try to join whatever trackers that they think are good. They don't necessarily collect because they want every tracker on the map, or are trying to collect the best trackers to enhance their ego, but they are trying to figure out what trackers are worth their time buffering. The only way to do this is:
1. Do a crapload of research
2. Experience what trackers are best for you personally

Once the person is more experienced and have found out which trackers they really do need they tend to be better users. I'd say go with some of the more experienced fst users that should know what they want and fulfill their needs if it's a level3 or higher tracker. For the lesser known people that want an invite quiz them and see if their needs are tangible before giving them the invite. Ok i'm done now! :)

I am thinking about this from a trackers standpoint, now wht im suggesting will probably never happen anywhere, we still dont have invites never mind what im about to suggest lol.

You invite someone, it opens up the site for them but they cant use it for 24 hours (or until they say yes i want in anyway), if after 24 hours they have not said yes, then they dont get in and you get your invite back.

that way the invitee can browse the tracker and the forums, and see if its for them or not, if it is aign up, if not, then dont.

problem is people are impatient, so they will get in and say yes within 2 minutes, and then wont use the site anyway lol so a waste of coding, but it might work.

my 30 ish bit-hdtv invitees seem to be coming along pretty well.

personally i think that they don't use the accounts simply because they are waiting for the right trade offers... :whistling

In an ideal world stoi your idea would help a lot of people

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my 30 ish bit-hdtv invitees seem to be coming along pretty well.

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I have lost Pisexy,...Oink,...Bitmetv accounts, and a few others which escape my mind,

due to cheaters....:blink: