I doubt those sczene kidz know how to rip FLAC properly. It's completely different than popping a CD into Windows Media Player and ripping to 320 kbps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kloot
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I doubt those sczene kidz know how to rip FLAC properly. It's completely different than popping a CD into Windows Media Player and ripping to 320 kbps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kloot
cd scene rips are vbr approx 160kbps :whistling and yes, its sucks :angry::frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
you shouldn't speak in such an arrogant way about the scene. i'm quite happy that we get their releases.Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
i prefer flac as well when it comes to quality, but better a lame v2 rip than nothing.
at least they're the ones who buy/get sources (cds), rip them for us and take the risk.
some of them do this for ages and aren't kids at all.
a proper rip in flac isn't rocket science either. in fact it's pretty easy.
when you listen to new music apart from the mainstream, scene releases are your only choice and i'm thankful for them.
yes, i know that flac is superior to v2.
if there was no scene, i would miss 80% of the new albums i download.
unfortunately the common experienced flac ripper on what, waffles, e or wherever doesn't provide me with the new music i like.
if i have a choice, i'll always go for the flac. unfortunately i don't have this choice very often.
i respect the scene! :yup:
p.s. when i want the best quality i listen to one of my fresh washed vinlys on my tube amp. it beats everything digital by far :P
The scene buy their rips? Since when?Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
A decent rip takes a lot of work, and sometimes there are presets, offsets and other small settings that can make a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Well, if we're talking about music like that on indietorrents, a lot of their rips are from their users; some are from the scene, of which is true for most releases on TT, or so I've heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
I suppose; I've uploaded a few releases from 2008 on the E that cater to the genres of music I'm passionate about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Dude, you should learn how to rip vinyl. Seriously. :happy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
Waffles is actually decent when it comes to proper rips. A lot of the more active uploaders from the lossless sites are exerting their influence there, so you're seeing far more high-quality, standardized rips than there ever were at OPP (R.I.P.).
Also, why do people keep saying E**** only offers old music? I hate to break this, but that site offers a lot of contemporary music, in every conceivable genre.
i don't like indie music at all and i also don't like trance (i like other styles of electronic music though)Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
i do know how to rip vinyl, but this really takes time and i'm a lazy bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
to put my musical taste in a nutshell: it's gotta have soul!
Are you seriously claiming that it's hard to rip lossless?Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
People that do it wrong are either ignorant or just plain lazy. It takes between 15 minutes and 2 hours (2 hours if your read offset isn't anywhere to be found) to set up EAC and FLAC along with the profiles needed.
The only people that have some sort of excuse are those that are on a Mac and can't run EAC.
Every single torrent site that has audio has extensive guides on the setup needed, and even the longshot that some user does not have access to any of those, they are also easy to find using google.
E is quality, and there's nothing wrong with "old" music anyway, but yeah, there was a lot of up to date stuff too.Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
Listen to this man.Quote:
Originally Posted by orfik
And about the scene... the priority is speed, not quality (as demonstrated by the 31 I Am Legend releases). I don't see them uploading FLAC any time soon, and debating about it on FST probably won't change much.
What's that supposed to mean? :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by seeed
Waffles and What both have considerably more FLAC torrents than either e**** or pedros. People rate them higher because this is an invite trading board.
This is more than a little ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by th0r
I didn't know he knew how to rip vinyl, get the fuck off me. If he didn't, it's a suggestion. If he did, fine, ignore it.
Im not saying he did, your acting all smug while vinyl is theoretically higher quality than any lossless flac rip regardless of what eac settings or cd drive the ripper used.
...not that you'd actually be able to abx it successfully given how small the difference is :p
I also dont agree that you will find higher quality flac rips on e**** or pedros or that the scene would fuck up ripping FLAC (other than using _ and .'s too often anyway...). FLAC is lossless regardless of how its ripped provided theres no errors which is something you can easily see in a log (and there are still considerably more flac+log torrents on what/waffles than the specalist lossless sites) file and which eac doesnt allow much leeway for anyway. The only thing changing a few settings will do is make it a smaller filesize, something pretty irrelevant when your looking for quality over filesize anyway - if its that much of a concern you can always transcode to wav and back again using your settings with no loss of sound quality.
I was a member of E and Pedro's for over a year, and there were far more quality masterings available on both of them than Oink. Lots of people prefer original CD masterings to the modern loud and compressed remasters, and P and E were both excellent places for these. Also lots of MFSL and DCC stuff. There are a lot more audiophiles on those two sites than Oink. I joined Waffles recently and it's better than Oink was for this stuff but P and E were still better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratzy Rox
The problem with Waffles and What? are that any n00b with no idea, or care, about what they are doing see "oohhh FLAC is bigger file size so I can get buffer from it". They don't give a fuck about whether they actually do it right. Oink had the same problem. This isn't only the case for FLAC rips, but also EAC rips encoded to mp3.
Try going through random logs on Waffles or What? and you see what I mean. read offset on 0, errors, tracks skipping etc.
The people on E and Pedro's don't do it for ratio, they do it for the community and they do a good job of it.
If I am looking for an album, I always look on the lossless trackers first, and then if I don't find it there I will try the two W's
that's how i do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Skies
i'm sitting on the toilet reading a music magazine. oh - nice new album, let's have a look.
e - nothing
w and w - nothing
and then i find the scene release at stmusic.
i wish it would be different, but that's how it goes very often.
i'm not complaining. i downloaded great lossless albums, many recent ones. there are just to little flac rips out there. at least for my musical taste.
if i was interested in the monthly top ten albums, i could choose which flac rip is the best.
anyway. i think we all agree when it comes to quality nothing beats e!
No but P is equal to E
You reckon? Theres no easy way to measure that annoyingly. Im a member of all 4 but given there are ~10000 more FLAC torrents on waffles/what than on e****/pedros I think its unlikely that the 10000 or so can be explained away as all being remasters with clipping and/or created from compressed sources suggesting theres a greater selection on the lower ranked more general trackers what and waffles but then who knows...Quote:
Originally Posted by fartmaster
Cant say ive noticed this problem but then ive only listened to around 300 FLAC albums from waffles/what - im more of a v0 kinda guy, you should report the torrents if you do though. Again, I doubt that there are more 10000 FLAC torrents on each site which have errors when they were ripped suggesting theres a larger selection on those lower ranked trackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Skies
I used to on Oink sometimes although on there there were quite a few likeminded people that beat me to the punch, and you are right I should, but there are also things that are no use reporting. Like the last album I got of What? had no tags, not that there is any problem doing them. The problem is that apart from that the album was fine, so I can't report and reupload. I just tagged them and if there is a problem the next time someone tries to grab it (I have very little doubt that there won't be), I have no choice but to delete it from my client.
Heh, i just report away after tagging it myself then reupload it. Some free upload credit for myself and it makes everyone else happier while teaching the original uploader a lesson for the future.
Yeah changing tags means you wont be able to seed 100% of the torrent, >99% will be fine though although you'll appear as a leech due to partial seeding.
th0r, can you ABX anything?