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Yeah i got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KravenX
But look when you pay for the up, you just care about the up, i did a donation on BitMeTV for the up and it's equal for me if they get whores with the money or if it's for help the tracker.
But i'm with you if it's donate just because you want to help the tracker... Things usually, probably, work like that.
from your case i can suggest you 2 things :-
1) buy a seedbox for a month or two (or share with a friend to divid the price) and build a good buffer so u dont have to worry much later when ur leeching a lot
or
2)donate for gb/s or get vip from TL or some site so that u dont have to worry at all for those specific months instead of $ per 'x'gb/s like other sites .
if u feel the electricity part is hurting a lot financially , then the above 2 options are the best i can suggest for u . in the end , do what you feel is best , good luck .
Really?Oh man, in that case i have to give you reason........In my case i seed 24/7 all the time, but i dont see my electricity bills ups a lot, just around 5 month, its not much compare with you!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldStoNeQuote:
Originally Posted by sacebac
Please don't get me wrong mate. I also have good buffers in the trackers I'm active in. It's because I seed almost 24/7 for the past few months. A lot of effort has been poured on my part just to buffer up and seed back. At the same time my electricity bills shot up around $25-30 higher than those months when my pc is on for a few hours a day only [electricity is costly in the country where I'm from :(]. So I'm thinking of ways to minimize cost and at the same time survive in my favorite trackers...
There are lots of good suggestions here. Thank you guys. I'll evaluate what's best for me. Semi-private trackers? hmmm... Keep your opinions pouring in guys. I'm sure there are also lots of members who would benefit from our discussion. :happy:
In that case i recomend you to buy a seed box, its what i do if was me........
For people who have slow connection like me, and like The Gladiator saids 'Is all about patience'!!!!!!!!
it gives you a good warm and fuzzy feeling inside.. zz but seriously it does :)
I donated to most of the trackers i'm a member of.
It's only fair to do so.
I have a question though: is it different to donate directly via paypal account than to do it via the paypal link and writing down your name and cc?
I mean are those personal infos given out when making the payment or are they hidden like if you had an actual paypal account?
Thank you.
jump on the most populer torrents early and youll soon get your upload where u want it it just means keeping a good eye on your torrent sites
If a new site is asking users to donate, because otherwise they will lose the server, I think it's definitely not worth to donate or support this site. A site has to proof that it is worth financial support. Why should I support some wannabe people in their dream to have their own tracker?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto
If it's a really good site with a good history and good administration, I would prefer buying upload credit instead of making it even harder to seed for other users by adding yet another seedbox to the swarms. But first of all I would try to get a better home connection, even if I this means that I have to pay premium prices. If that's not possible for some reason, I would have no problem to donate, even if some of the donations are maybe used by the site admin for his own advantage. A good admin deserves the money for the risk he takes and the time he spends by running a good tracker for years.
A seedbox is only necessary for regular uploaders or people who want to spend 20+ hours a week in bittorrents IMO.
Well said. I agree with most of what you said except the last part. People have seedboxes for one real purpose and that is to seed. Whether they spend a few hours dealing with torrents or 10+, it's not the same for everyone. A seedbox helps many give back and buffer their accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by newswalkerIf a new site is asking users to donate, because otherwise they will lose the server, I think it's definitely not worth to donate or support this site. A site has to proof that it is worth financial support. Why should I support some wannabe people in their dream to have their own tracker?Quote:
Originally Posted by anto
If it's a really good site with a good history and good administration, I would prefer buying upload credit instead of making it even harder to seed for other users by adding yet another seedbox to the swarms. But first of all I would try to get a better home connection, even if I this means that I have to pay premium prices. If that's not possible for some reason, I would have no problem to donate, even if some of the donations are maybe used by the site admin for his own advantage. A good admin deserves the money for the risk he takes and the time he spends by running a good tracker for years.
A seedbox is only necessary for regular uploaders or people who want to spend 20+ hours a week in bittorrents IMO.
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Originally Posted by t0mmy
Try to remember, friends and family are important,this stuff is just a pleasant diversion.
If your spending too much time worrying about this you should reevaluate your priorities.The sunshine's still free after all.
And buy the occasional game or movie. Saves on bandwidth and great art deserves supporting(sorry don't hit me).
Seedboxes are another form of elitism. The best ratio is no more than 2:1 allows other people a chance to seed.I willing to be proven wrong though.
Hmm.. it seems that more member here prefer donation over buying seedboxes. Just curious, which site in your opinion has the best deal of upload credit per $? A known tracker has a promo now of double up [60gb for 15€; 100gb for 25€; etc.] Is it true that there are pay-to-leech sites? I heard of sites where you can "donate" to join them or even get invites for your friends..
you can do all of the above on nearly all sites.
i dont agree with it at all though, so you cant on BCG.
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Originally Posted by stoi
How about upload credit for time seeding then?
thats completely different, at least your trying to seed, your not just paying to get out of the shit you got yourself into.
BitMeTVQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldStoNe
Check the review and see how it works, you can check SCT to and compare both.
The best site is the site that has the files you want. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldStoNe
I totally agree with KravenX. This donation stuff is bullshit. If you want to be all 1337tsy w337tsy and make a tracker, then make sure you work a job in real life and can pay for it. WTF is this donate bs?
It's meant to be FREE. At least that's how the site managers get it - so why the hell should anyone pay for that crap?
Also, to whoever answered my inital post. Of course I used PayPal, do I look retarded? I mean who the fuck gives out their credit card info on the net? I think my DOG would know not to. I'm saying his card got haxxed through paypal transactions, somehow. That's all I know.
I think that donations should only be without gb exchange! I am not very fond of p2l and I could donate only when I reaaaaly like a site!
the best idea is : (2) get a seedbox,
donate-to-leech is very stupid thing
donate to help the tracker is another thing
if you wanna donate to download get newsgroup its much more better
I think that a line with 100kbps upload is enough to keep a good 1:1 ratio on tha majority of trackers(unless we r talking about a very small community)...not easy,but it can be done with the right management:cool:.
Now,for the trackers that most users have 100/10,no,you can't survive...and in my opinion being part of a trackers that requires you to pay every month a donation or a seed box is a bit unhealthy for my pocket:cry:So,i just dont even try to join them until i have the ideal connection.
Instead of the upload matter,personally ive donated to trackers,not because i had to survive,but just because i like the things they offer.The price you give to a donation is nothin in front of what you would spend in real life to get it...and IF,it was availabable at stores....if you know what i mean...:whistling...
Its a good move to support the ppl who give all these stuff to the community,and i dont give a shit if they make money from it or not.PERIOD.:D
he shouldnt be in private trackers cause of his connection? that just crazy
my top upload speed is 22/23 kbs and i have a great ratio in all my private trackers,and i have a lot,and very good ones...i have never been kicked out of a tracker and that speed is the most i can get...why shouldnt i be in private trackers?
I agree with you, has i said behind, my upload max speed is 25kb/s and i have good buffers there, its all about patient........Quote:
Originally Posted by Simulador
And if the people who have slow connection like me dont have private trackers, those only have a few peers............
Before I used to donate very often, only once for buying ratio.
Now, due to restrictions in my country for making payments via internet Iīm donating less, but I manage myself and I still do it and I will make everything in my hands for keeping that way.
Uploading trillions of Gb, writing thousands of posts in forums or chatting 30 hours/day on irc donīt pay the bills.
Donations are good! because we have to help to keep trackers forever.
Regardless of what the donations are being used for, yes, they are a great thing. These private bt communities are great and wonderful so it requires little effort on our part so support them however we can as active and contributing members.
i recently donated to my fav tracker, and i felt good about it. just knowing that you are helpin, even in a small way, its nice.
his problem is not help or dont help the tracker, he want help his sitation and donate for upload credit is soooo stupide !!! will you for ever donate to leech ?Quote:
Originally Posted by donvito
well..
when we tried to have no bonuses at all for donations, lets just say it didnt work.
we dont get a lot of donations anyway, probably 0.2% of a trackers userbase will donate (and thats a top heavy estimate). and when we got rid of all benefites that plumetted to 0.05 (i was never any good at maths so these nubers are not spot on lol)
My point is, without incentives and benefits, most members just wont donate, they expect something in return, if you dont give them anything, they donate elsewhere to somewhere that they do get something in return.
not a lot of members would cry if any tracker went down due to lack of funds, it would be
"oh well, good while it lasted, now lets see what can replace it"
we already have a ready made replacement for us anyway, Nemesyz, ive got nothing to do with that tracker, but i bet if we went down, everyone would jump on that bandwagon.
no tracker is irreplacable, but if no one donated, or if trackers didnt offer incentives to donate, then trackers wouldnt last long (not big trackers that need beasts of servers anyway)
I always thought of torrenting to be free but in sites like bmtv where keeping a ratio is seriously hard, I might donate for some upload credit. I've got a pathetic connection(you wouldn't wanna know) and no matter what ISP i choose the result is the same. This would benefit me and would benefit the site too. I don't see anything wrong with this.
Lastly i'd like to tell those who're against "pay2leech", not everyone has a fast connection so don't alienate yourself from the realities of life.
soulreaper keeping a positive ratio simply depends on your managerial skills.
us with lower upstreams just have to organize out leeching, prioritywise. download stuff that is very popular, for example. the best strategy is to download something that is very big in size (30GB or +) and very popular. this way you will get over 1.5 ratio on it.
keep doing that, and with the buffer you can now get things that are less leeched, and seeded. rarer stuff you know less people will want.
and no, nobody needs to pay. if you want to help out, thats fine, and thank the community, perfectly understandable. but: firstly, beware of the dangers of some shady staff, that pirate your credit card through paypal fraud, and secondly, you never have to pay. it goes against what we do. its meant to be free.
people paying are usually paying for news access. and even then you can also get it free, if you're smart enough.
paying is only a last and desperate measure. and even then, it should be very carefully considered beforehand.
surely if the staff of a tracker, done that, then your friend could have got his money back and took them to the cleaners.
this is the first time i have ever heard of this happening, i have never done it and never will, but if you were so sure it was the tracker, you should have hauled them over coals to get the cash back.
and like i mentioned, we have had 0 benefits, and we got 0 donations while we had 0 benefits (mind you our benefits are not extravagant and we do not sell Gigs) but we had to put them back on just to get some donations in.
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Originally Posted by MisterSister
OK, nobody needs to pay... you and me and thousands of people download all we want, but... wait!... who pays the bills?, because, my friend, servers cost money, they canīt go to their datacenter and pay the bill with invites or with statistics.
Or do you expect that besides giving you that service they have to pay from their own pocket?.
I donīt mean that they get rich, but at least, at least... they must get what they pay in cash, not in promises or ethereal things with the excuse of "this wonderful sharing world of ours".
No money, no servers.... no servers, not a shit. Just as simple as that.
And once they receive that amount, weīll still owe them their time and dedication, and letīs not get into risks they have, etc, etc.
Why are people against p2l anyway? You still have to seed for a certain amount of time anyway & after that time is up there are so many seeders with seed boxes that people with lower speeds cant reach that 1:1 ratio anyway. So pay to leech, you are helping yourself & the tracker. Also who cares what they do with the money. As long as the site is maintained as it should. Its not like we are donating to cure aids or cancer.
But I dont donate, I would but I have reasons for being financially strapped for the time being.
but its easy to seed & keep a good ratio & buffer. Just dont ever delete until you get there. If you can afford to donate then you can afford to get a good deal on a hard drive.
this will help with seeding
And one more thing I forgot: donations itīs something you make if you want, itīs not something you have to do or get a ban. Itīs a choice.
Iīve been torrenting since the beginning, and no matter what some people say, Iīve never seen anybody banned or disabled for not donate.
And as somebody said before... there is nothing more fair and less demanding than give at least what you get... buying upload helps a lot to those who donīt have a good connection. Itīs a better option than being disabled because you canīt give back what you got.
Unfortunately -Stoi correct me if I am wrong- without donors, no private trackers... or a parade of publicity, ads and tons of crap.
well i can only say about us.
No donations = i couldnt afford to pay it, even if i had a decent job, tbh why should i pay it all, not meaning that to sound nasty, but i have put 4-5 years into it, i dont even really use it anymore tbh, so its there for yous, not for me. so if i had to fork out the cash every month, then i dont think it would last long.
we also tried ads on the site, those didnt work either, with adblock no one ever sees them, also we do not get that many hits a day (not compared to public trackers, TPB etc) so i can see how they can make a forune, but for us, it just wasnt worth it.
But if the RIAA is correct, most P2P is run by Criminals and Terrorists (why they would want to i have no idea though lol) so maybe those ones dont need any donations and will stay alive forever.
I don't mind donating to my fav trackers at all. I pick one about every other month and usually give ~$20 US. I don't do it for the 'GBs' really, I have a 20Mb/2Mb line..ratios are easy, I give cuz I know from personal experience(s) what it takes to run a 0Day tracker...money and LOTS of work/time spent. If the site I donate to happens to give GBs for donations...so be it...it's all good. ;)
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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
not in all cases ^^, seederboxes are also used by some people just to keep old torrents (who almost noone ever snatches animore alive :)). (not to mention that most sites use a seederbox to ensure decent speeds on new stuff)
personally i have a small 10 megabits fiberline, which is more than enough to keep older stuff alive for people, (everyone always will snatch older stuff eventually) and to also join in on fresh stuff, and try to give everyone a piece of the speeds they deserve :)
what acocunts to donations, its up to you :) tough, if you want to spend more than 50 bucks at once, i seriously could suggest you to get a small 10 megabits unmetered box at leaseweb, or vectoral, and then send some small bucks to the smaller sites who can really use the money as a financial buffer on the lesser months, as almost everyone who donates, only donates to the bigger sites, who in their turn, reward you with some stuff which should be free in the furst place :shutup:
also, every self respecting site, has their own ircchannel, which usually also can provide a small reward in the form of an irc-idlebonus(which can give you a small push into the right way :) ), and you can mostly find out of which quality the staffers are on the site :), as staff and sysops who treat their userts bad, are usually just a bunch of dumbfucks irl too:P
I wouldn`t be surprised if RIAA will say that p2p owners were involved in 9/11 attacks :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
I think that you're in a tiny minority,but it's nice to now that there are people like you out there.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by claudandusnot in all cases ^^, seederboxes are also used by some people just to keep old torrents (who almost noone ever snatches animore alive :)).Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
personally i have a small 10 megabits fiberline, which is more than enough to keep older stuff alive for people, (everyone always will snatch older stuff eventually) and to also join in on fresh stuff, and try to give everyone a piece of the speeds they deserve :)
Thx for the tip but it's hard to implement managerial skills with an updown speed of 20kb each but you probably knew that already.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSister
it is hard, not impossible.
i managed on a 1mbit connection for 2/3 years to leech and upload from many private trackers. my upload speek max was around 30kb/s usually. and maybe even that is exaggerating. so...as i said, its not impossible.
and yes, of course servers cost money, and help is good, i think some people like Nemrod didn't read my post completely...i did state those obvious factors. BTW if people make trackers they obviously have to understand that it's gonna cost money, so if there aren't money-making schemes on the side, or some startup cash, then why bother? i mean it's not like all of us NEED this...there are private stros as well, and news...BT is not the ultimate dl'ing source...so no, i don't think we should all be forced to pay to keep our ratio up (in some sites like BitMe, BitSoup, etc). it's a fuc*ing scam.
what i mean is i have had rough experience in the past with this kind of thing, and so it is natural that i should be wary of donating atm. at least to Pisexy. and no, i didn't invent this. i had already seen with some shares from other priv-trackers warnings about pisexy's paypal fraud antics. and then it happened to me.
ultimately, i'm just giving my carefully thought out advice to the original poster of this thread. frankly you can think what you like (those who somehow seem to miss my obvious logic), it's not like my opinion/experience is going to change regardless.