Best way to get your foot in the door? (Metaphorically speaking)

well like i said, i edited my post vitually straight after typing it, i jumped in feet first (which i used to do a few years back but thought i had learned my lesson lol)

but your right, it probably needed to be said, but then, no one will care anyway, or they will forget it tomorrow and rely completely on that WTAW thread again.

I see to many people treating that thread like the be all and and all of trackers, if its lvl 1-3 who cares, if its lvl 4-6 care a little bit more but not much, if its lvl 7-10 though, oh be very very careful.

christ they are just trackers, after some security from the powers that be, they are not keeping you out because they dont like you, or because they want to be lvl 9-10, they are keeping you out because of what has happened in the past with other trackers, and some were probably staff on those other trackers, so they have seen what can happen first hand, so they are just being ultra careful now.

Problem is the WTAW thread puts them on a pedastel for everyone to see, now you will have to ask the staff of those trackers if they like that or not, but personally i would prefer to be a lvl 1-3 tracker, but have members respect us and our rules just like they do with the lvl 9 and 10.

doubt that will happen any time soon though.

I dunno even if this levels thing continue i think they need some improvement.
Rarity isn't the ultimate factor in leveling trackers.
Let's say all trackers closed signups what will happen to the levels.
I think we will have all the trackers in level 9.:dabs:
this levels thing makes new-born trackers think that by closing sign-ups and say they are private community they will elite.:sick:
Not to mention it open the door to some retards to think they can profit from people greed and curiosity.
What a shame?

well not that i agree or care about the levels 1 bit.

But we have been closed now for 6 months, probably a bit longer actually. and had no invites.

but we did not go above level 4.

why

because we have loads of accounts to trade.

but

im a comm rep, so your not allowed to trade accounts on FST anyway

but we still never went up to above lvl 4 and probably never would unless we pruned 20,000 users, which was not going to happen.

but then if we open and let in a few hundred members (like we did last night) i bet it wont be to long before we are down to lvl 2.

the big factor is.

Lvl 1-2 you never see accounts getting traded, as they are open signups anyway

3-6 you see accounts getting traded all the time, so the members dont respect those trackers, they only use them as a stepping stone to the next lvl.

7-10 you see the odd account pop up now and again but not often. so members tend to respect them more.

In all honesty i had an account for a week on a lvl 9 tracker (white fluffy animal called neo :) ) and it just wasnt what i was expecting at all so i deleted my account there after a week, i tried to like it, i even uploaded something, but just wasnt for me.

Now im not saying someone else wont think its great, each to their own, but why trade 3-4 trackers (or at least try to) from lvls 4-8 to get into the 1 lvl 9 which you may not like once your in.

just seems daft to me, and not the way bittorrent should be done at all.

I agree with you but i don't think it's about likeness when it comes to level 9 or 10 trackers.
They want to have them to feel they are elite or special.And because those trackers are the top of the pyramid so they are the ultimate goal.
And then they will say they retired but actually once there are a new or promising tracker will pop up they will awake and run for it.First saying they don't trade and they love community and if it doesn't work .they will trade their way in.
trading is addiction.you can cure some but you can't cure all.

i guess if people like you they will be more interested in helping you. i seen some guy come in here recently and get everything he wanted pretty much in one post. but for most it takes a lot longer for people to like or trust you.

the common consensus is be more active, and give freely and you shall receive.

In all the honesty same thing happened to me, too at a certain tracker. It was all this hype about how great it is, how wonderful it is, how level 10 it is. I tried to use it, meaning I downloaded stuff from there even if I could've downloaded from somewhere else sooner, I even was active in their forums. In the end I realized that "level 10" tracker wasn't for me and I came back to my old "level 3" trackers where I always felt like home.

I always saw "the level" as an currency exchange for traders.

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In all honesty i had an account for a week on a lvl 9 tracker (white fluffy animal called neo :) ) and it just wasnt what i was expecting at all so i deleted my account there after a week, i tried to like it, i even uploaded something, but just wasnt for me.

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There is no hard and fast rule to get into a tracker, if u r lucky u may signup directly on the tracker without any request for invites. On the other hand if u r not able to get in then there are 2 ways to achieve which i would guess u know already.
One is a quick fix trading, trust me majority of the people on this forum stay away from traders
The other way, though a long one is to stay active and request for an invite, people here will definitely invite u.
So cross ur fingers for ur 30 day trial to finsih ASAP.

Well those 5 pages of advise should give you a good general idea.
The one thing that I can suggest is this: Don't chase high level trackers just because they are high. That won't make you more l33t or get you laid more. Some of the BEST trackers around are level 2. Great content, great speed, great packs, etc.

If in any moment you see yourself struggling to maintain decent ratios, donwloading gbs of stuff you don't want just to seed it back, calculating how every single file could affect your overall ratio, you have failed in the BT world my friend.

community heh this word make me lol .

Is it just me. Or would all of this go away if the admin at FST just deleted the WTAW thread?

No because another forum, somewhere would keep it going.

Only way to stop this completely, is for every single tracker to open up and stay open, but that will never ever happen i`m afraid.

With the closed signups and no invites,I used to think that BCG is trying to be an elitist tracker but when they had open signups again and opened invites for SPU's I was clearly wrong and I'm happy I was wrong.

I'm not the type to suck up to someone but stoi I can't help but respect and admire you. I mean you don't have an elitist bone in your body,no ego,none of that bullshit drivel that some admins carry(you probably know what i'm referring to). Maybe this is because you've been a longtime member of FST and so you understand users better than others.

The fact that you implemented a SP system clearly means you care about your members with slow connections and you want them to stay on in your tracker. I feel like you're a normal member and not sysop(dictator like),I mean that in a good way,trust me. I really wish admins and sysops were like you,this bittorrent world wouldn't be as corrupt as it is now.

being a female between the ages of 18 and 24 and willing to prove it with pictures will get you anywhere

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Understood.

However if FST was to show the way and get rid of the thread. People would listen.

I'm a member of other forums where there's no mention of the WTAW. No ones interested. And people dont trade. But if you want to get into a tracker you'll get invited if your a valued member of that community. and thats the way it should be. You reap what you sew.

Trading is getting to be such a problem. there other ways to get into sites. Why dont sites get rid of invites completley and have application processes. Like TDC does. Or Mayby have open forums where you could get known and then invited by mod or admin. Im sure there are ways other than Invites.

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being a HOTfemale between the ages of 18 and 24 and willing to prove it with pictures will get you anywhere

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Now that's right. ;)

@ soulreaper

cheers for that, i used to torrent and run a tracker on a 500mhz 11gig hdd Sony Viao laptop back in the day, and i used to upload all the time (if i didnt no one else would) and used to be one of the first with games onto suprnova, and i only had a 25KBs upload at the time.

so i know what its like, but i also know that if i could do all that, there is really no excuse for anyone else not to play fair in the torrent world of ratios that we have.

and the reason we closed up shop, was not to become elitist or move up the ranks of the WTAW thread, it was just to weed out all the leechers and cheaters etc that we had.

I had planned on getting the members down as well, but decided after a few months that it just wasnt working, the tracker was going stagnant.

@ munkyboy04

In all honesty, Invite trading doesnt bother me much, its invite selling that gets on my tits, but then we are a spacialised tracker, so someone thats in a TV tracker that likes games, and one of our members that like TV can trade. that sort of thing doesnt bother me.

Invite selling though and account trading/selling does, especially when you see 1TB buffer. which basically means the new member is just going to hit and run everything they can (they cant on BCG though).

thing is can you really see the WTAW thread disapearing anytime soon, i cant, and if trackers stay closed, and only have invites, it adds more fuel to the fire.

I have seen BCG invites go for $100+ and some lvl 9-10 accounts for $500+ and its big business to some people, its a little cottage industry they have going.

so this is the reason we are opening, and the fact we need more new blood as well, even if they are noobs, as we have all been noobs at one time or another and need stearing in the correct direction.

I didnt realise invite selling was such a problem. I thought only a few people did it. are people that desperate to get into Trackers that they'll give up 500 notes. absolute madness.

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Originally Posted by stitched

Do not put the Bt world over REAL LIFEplease follow this...unlike typing 15 pointers... ,wow good one grimms,very smart like always...

to the op:just do what u want man,you can almost get away with the anything on the internet, if u find it hard to start with ,,trade initially and then to get the hard ones come back here, tell every one you have changed (even better tell them you never traded) make a few low level giveaways because they are low levels thier rules doesnt mean anything and they were never meant to have a community ...i mean trackers like revtt,scc,tl,demonoid others....

always rememeber, community and rules are meant only for level 6 and above.....and spam a lot or traders threads talking about rules and community and how important it is,and preach whats right whats wrong, thus you declare yourself as an "anti-trader" and you get all the invites u want ,thats the end of journey

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what a load of bollocks.

Community and rules are only meant for lvl 6 and above trackers, ive heard everything now.

I am not going to bash lvl 6 and above trackers, they have their purpose. but Bittorrent is all about sharing.

I love to see 2000 seeds on a game on BCG, you will very rarely see that many snatches on a lvl 6 and above tracker, never mind seeds on the thing.

to me a tracker should be about fast speeds, loads of seeders, lots of leechers, loads of content even from a year back where you can still download it if you want and faster than 5KBs, loads of members taking part in the community, even if its just the torrent comments, we get about 4000 torrent comments a week on BCG now thats community.

Sorry but that post has just got what everything is wrong with the WTAW thread to a fucking tea (i dont swear often but you have got me pissed).

respect all your trackers, doesnt matter if its lvl 1 or lvl 10000000, lvls are just a load of bollocks anyway.

Edit: i have just re-read it, and im not sure if everything in bold was sarcasm or not, if it was i appologize, its late here, its its not, then it is a load of bollocks lol

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Stoi this dude stitched is a jealous little 13 year old. He is mad cause he feels like his respect here is low and is also mad due to members like me and fatcat69 being good respected trusted members of are communitites (For whatever reasons).

If I weren't... I sure wouldn't be a member of certain sites... I will not mention due to RULES stitched. Not respecting a trackers rule because it's level 1 is the stupidest comment I have ever read on this forum (And I have read alot of them). Trackers like UG, Bitsoup, and others are the most respected in my eyes.;)

To the OP just respect all the rules, be active, make friends with staff and trusted members alike, help others, and people will notice you like they already have. Good luck man.

edit: I just reread his post as well. Taking jabs at me every time I post is annoying. J-Dye is another member doing that. As far as levels and all that? They mean nothing. Join the trackers that best suit you and be apart of them for the right reasons and cause they are what you need for whatever purpose your trying to achieve. Whether that is listening to music, watching movies, ebooks, studying, hanging out in the irc and forums, gaming, whatever. Be happy and let live.......

Torrenting was meant to be free and all about sharing. That is why we use the net. To download and share the things we have in common with other users.
Selling invites is beyond me. If you are going to pay to get in then why are they even torrenting?
Torrents are available freely. People paying to get in, is just insane. It goes against what bittorrent stands for.

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Torrenting was meant to be free and all about sharing. That is why we use the net. To download and share the things we have in common with other users.
Selling invites is beyond me. If you are going to pay to get in then why are they even torrenting?
Torrents are available freely. People paying to get in, is just insane. It goes against what bittorrent stands for.

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Well said. Invites are meant to be given anyways. Just meet people, become trusted friends, contribute, and that's all really there is to it other than being a good member on the tracker.

Get into an easy site you don't mind losing, just to get used to the ratio system, uploading torrents, etc. Try Libble or STmusic. Hang out in the forums, make friends, don't be a douchebag, and you'll have access to wherever you want. Also, be careful with this place. Many members of the high-ranking sites don't think highly of it.

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Also, be careful with this place. Many members of the high-ranking sites don't think highly of it.

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List of things to do
1.Acquire mind reading ability so that I will know what other people that I have never met are thinking.
2.Attempt to care.

1. Try getting into the trackers you want when you know the invites are open
2. Ask friends whether they have the tracker you wanna sign up to
3. if the answer to step 3 is no, make new friends and dump the old ones they are losers anyhow. j/k :D

Sorry for the epic bump, but I thought this post would be useful for any new members who are thinking of trading their way into the BT community.

Only one year after I made this post, I managed to get onto almost every torrent site I wanted, including some which aren't even mentioned here :). Basically started at What.CD, became Power User, and got into other trackers through the Invite forum. Then eventually I made friends through the forums/IRC and got into some of the harder to find trackers. So in one short year, I went from having nothing but Demonoid to having two of the "Level 9" trackers as they're listed here. However it's worth noting that as the tracker level increases the sites don't always get better... What.CD is still my favourite torrent site, even though it's easy to get into... I know a bunch of people in the community, I'm pushing towards Torrentmaster, and I find I feel more at home there than at smaller high level trackers. Sure, they have a bunch of rare stuff and that's part of the appeal, but the smaller community means less activity and a smaller selection of torrents overall, even if there are some great packs on the higher level sites.

So I guess the moral of the story here is you don't need to resort to trading to succeed, the people who gave me advice were right. Get into a lower level site, upload, get active in the community, push for power user and make friends, then slowly work your way towards your goals. And definitely be generous with what you have... one of my higher level tracker invitations came from a guy I met in another music tracker's IRC channel who didn't have What.CD, so I extended him one of my invites no questions asked. Then when it came up a few days later in conversation that he was on an unmentionable tracker, he was perfectly happy to request an invitation for me.

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Sure, they have a bunch of rare stuff and that's part of the appeal, but the smaller community means less activity and a smaller selection of torrents overall, even if there are some great packs on the higher level sites.

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Do they really have rare stuff? Do they really have great packs?

I don't think so. I think most sites have exactly the same shite. Whether level 1 or level brazzilion. It's only specialised trackers that carry anything unique. The majority of which are not high up the tard level system. :mellow:

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Sure, they have a bunch of rare stuff and that's part of the appeal, but the smaller community means less activity and a smaller selection of torrents overall, even if there are some great packs on the higher level sites.

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Do they really have rare stuff? Do they really have great packs?

I don't think so. I think most sites have exactly the same shite. Whether level 1 or level brazzilion. It's only specialised trackers that carry anything unique. The majority of which are not high up the tard level system. :mellow:

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Agreed there seems to be a miss conspetion the rarer the tracker the more rarer stuff and better content they have, majority of these general 0day trackers have 99% of the same content.

I get my rare stuff off of TPB .True story.

I was referring more to the content-specific higher end sites (for example E) rather than the 0-days. The packs aren't generally rare stuff but they're nice compilations when you want to download a bunch of related stuff at once, they're often good ways to discover new movies, music, etc, and they're generally freeleech which is always nice. For regular 0-day stuff I generally get my stuff from GFT since the pretimes are better. The whole level system is ridiculous anyway, half that thread is outdated based on current difficulty of getting into sites and the reviews are all horribly outdated (the What.CD review is pre-gazelle lol). I've been disappointed by many higher end trackers that didn't live up to their hype and I don't use them that often. However there are a few that I like to frequent based on their content and their community. As I stated earlier What.CD is still my favourite site, and it's easy to get into now assuming you can answer a few music encoding questions in IRC. However the smaller sites are nice because people generally comment and thank you for your uploads, and there's a much higher number of snatches proportional to the number of members on the site.

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I get my rare stuff off of TPB .True story.

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Yep, They have so much that private trackers do not have.

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However the smaller sites are nice because people generally comment and thank you for your uploads, and there's a much higher number of snatches proportional to the number of members on the site.

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No offence not trying to be argumentative but i really disagree with that, u hardly get any or if any comments on torrents at smaller trackers compared to big trackers. It just wouldnt make sence for that to happen.

Compare a lower end music site to Pedro's or E and you'll see that it's true. The thing is on big trackers people simply don't care and are just there to leech. Thousands of users will simply download without commenting or participating in the community in any way. I have an upload on What with a few hundred snatches and 1 comment. Another has 1500 snatches and the only comment was someone complaining about how long it took to download on a 40kB/s upstream. Anything I upload on Pedro's/E has at least 1/4 of the people comment and/or say thanks, often more. So yes, it happens. As for public trackers obviously they have more, the issues are quality control and increased risk in getting letters from the record/movie industries, plus the bad speeds and massive hit-and-run problems.

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Compare a lower end music site to Pedro's or E and you'll see that it's true. The thing is on big trackers people simply don't care and are just there to leech. Thousands of users will simply download without commenting or participating in the community in any way. I have an upload on What with a few hundred snatches and 1 comment. Another has 1500 snatches and the only comment was someone complaining about how long it took to download on a 40kB/s upstream. Anything I upload on Pedro's/E has at least 1/4 of the people comment and/or say thanks, often more. So yes, it happens.

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Very true. The amount of comments for the uploads at the two small lossless trackers outweigh, by far, the comments on the two huge general music trackers. But to be fair, comments and discussions are really encouraged on the small music trackers.

As for the amount of comments/discussions on torrents between the small and large 0day trackers, I don't think the same is true. Look at the amount of comments on the uploads at ftn, tl, revtt, and ipt. You'll see there are more on those three larger trackers than that one small tracker. From what I've seen at least.

So for your argument, I think your statement is true between the small and large music sites. But not between the small and large 0day trackers. But again, at least from what I've seen. I spend a whole lot more time on music sites than I do at 0day/general sites.

Good post though. And nice update.

I think there's no real answer to your question. It's like Stoi said on the first page, what might work for me may not work for you. All I can say is be friendly, helpful and active, that should help you a lot. I have what I want because of this (except 1 tracker) so that worked for me:)

hehehe...look...take my example, i've come from TBP to this from absolutely nothing in a space of weeks, i mean, my first PT was Funfile(WTF!?!), and that was in december, now i have more than i ever need(literally?...umm maybe not :p), really, trading wont get ytou anywhere where normal activity wouldn't, i've gotten into waffles after practically nfin except being here, so trading is not an option(in my book neways)!

Trading is not the easiest way, and as soon as staff know you're a trainer it makes getting into ANY tracker hard.

The easiest way to get into high-level trackers without having any contacts, is to take the What.CD interview, and attain Power User on that tracker. Once you get that far, you can get an invite on most other sites through the Invite forum...

At that point it's really easy.

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Only one year after I made this post, I managed to get onto almost every torrent site I wanted, including some which aren't even mentioned here :). Basically started at What.CD, became Power User, and got into other trackers through the Invite forum. Then eventually I made friends through the forums/IRC and got into some of the harder to find trackers. So in one short year, I went from having nothing but Demonoid to having two of the "Level 9" trackers as they're listed here.

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Oh, lol.
That's exactly what you did. :P
I told you it's the best way. (:

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However the smaller sites are nice because people generally comment and thank you for your uploads, and there's a much higher number of snatches proportional to the number of members on the site.

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No offence not trying to be argumentative but i really disagree with that, u hardly get any or if any comments on torrents at smaller trackers compared to big trackers. It just wouldnt make sence for that to happen.

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I'd agree, except speciality or community trackers, are small but very active.